I am pro triple bipass operations

[arely staircase]

The more the better. Anyone trying to prevent them under the guise of comprehensive nutritional education has a hidden agenda.

[PowerToThePeople]

1. ugh

[cyberswede]

2. FFS.

[ismnotwasm]

3. Dude..

[Shrike47]

4. I think it's up to the individual, after consideration of the risks and alternatives.

Dying, for instance.

[PeaceNikki]

5. .

[cali]

6. a bit petulant sounding

[still_one]

7. I will wait until I see the details before I weigh in

[Liberal_in_LA]

8. me too

[blue neen]

9. That is good news,

particularly because there are also genetic reasons for heart disease, not just nutritional ones.

There are also genetic reasons why some women cannot use birth control pills. For instance, approximately 5% of the population has a blood clotting disorder called Leiden Factor V. Any woman with this disorder cannot use birth control pills, rings, or injections because of the threat of deep vein thrombosis, pulmonary embolisms, and strokes.

Birth control education also needs to include information that the pill can be deadly to some women. Those same women also need to know that their rights to a safe and legal abortion are being protected.

[Nye Bevan]

10. At the risk of pissing off a good many DUers,

I say that triple bypass operations should be safe, legal, and rare. Controversial I know, but there you go.

[PowerToThePeople]

11. So, you are pro-triple bypass.

[Rex]

12. But what if it is hereditary? Fuck those people right? They should have been born 'normal'.

You know a lot of people eat right and exercise and still end up one day needing bypass surgery.

Seriously, you sometimes dig so deep that your analogy posts are embarrassing.

[blue neen]

14. Exactly.

All the nutritional education in the world won't change your DNA.

[beam me up scottie]

13. Calling abortion a "preventable" procedure is victim blaming.

And it looks like you haven't fooled anyone.

[arely staircase]

16. what victim?

Obviously it isn't preventable in cases of rape. Unless you mean the victim of poor education without sex ed.

[beam me up scottie]

17. "Obviously it isn't preventable"

Obviously.

[PeaceNikki]

18. Or failure of contraception? Or success in "being human"?

[blue neen]

21. Are you serious?

You're not reading the replies in your own false equivalency thread. Some women cannot use birth control without putting their life at risk, thereby negating any effects of "education". What about that do you not understand?

[riderinthestorm]

22. You have declined to address BC's failure rate now on three threads

i got pregnant with perfect use of a diaphragm.

Second time I got pregnant after my husband had had a vasectomy the year previously.

Birth control fails. Even with perfect use.

You have declined to address that multiple times now and persist in trotting out false analogies and bad information.

[PeaceNikki]

25. Op thinks education would have prevented that.

[riderinthestorm]

29. Oh I know. The bad information is really irritating though

I hope arely staircase has zero contact with children and isn't spewing this nonsense other than on an anonymous discussion board.

It's factually wrong and dangerous. Teens need to know that BC can fail. It will help them to also understand that abortion is also a necessary part of the family planning equation without shame or scolding that they simply weren't "educated" enough.

[PeaceNikki]

30. Well said.

[arely staircase]

33. no, I just think the whole 'I am proudly pro -abortion and how dare you be otherwise' business

should be called out for the fringe (creepy as another poster put it) nonsense that it is. Nothing else.

[PeaceNikki]

36. Creepy is your attitude that education will stop unwanted pregnancy

Creepy is your implication that anyone here said or implied education and contraception is bad.

[riderinthestorm]

40. If you aren't pro-abortion, then you are shaming those who have abortions

The degree of emotion one feels about it - proud or whatever - doesn't factor in unless you're trying to shame someone. It's either ok to have an abortion (without shame or being called creepy if you're proud of your stance), or it's not.

Are you female or male arely? Just curious.

[gollygee]

15. Maybe we should have waiting periods for them

Make people who need heart surgery visit a couple of doctors and get some alternate opinions. See if they still want the triple bypass after finding out exactly what happens.

[Starry Messenger]

19. +1

[beam me up scottie]

20. Oh, and make them drive for hours to get to a clinic.

If they're lucky enough to be within driving distance, that is.

And make them watch ultrasounds of their heart beating and have "counselors" try to convince them they don't need the surgery.

Yeah, I like that, you are on to something, gollygee.

We're entitled to our own opinions on the op's procedure, after all.

[Humanist_Activist]

23. You seem to fail to understand the point, abortion is a necessary medical procedure...

that should not be restricted in any way, shape or form, just like open heart surgery. And for those who need either, the availability of those procedures is a positive thing.

We all want to reduce the need for any medical procedure as much as possible, with diet and exercise with heart surgeries, and education and contraception with abortion, but neither is foolproof, and the procedures should always remain available when needed.

[PeaceNikki]

26. And nobody here, NOBODY is saying we should limit education or access to

Contraception.

Nobody.

[Humanist_Activist]

31. Exactly. I honestly don't understand this fucking hangup with abortion...

medically induced abortions should remain safe and effective, as well as widely available, its a medical procedure, and ideally one that would only rarely be used, but not because of any moral hangups, but for the convenience of the women involved, even in the most pro-choice society, you will still have to visit a doctor at least once, and that can be a hassle in itself, even if the visit is just like visiting any other doctor. So prevention is ideal, but abortion should always be available.

[PowerToThePeople]

32. Same tactic, always

There is a certain group here who always use this exact same false either/or tactic on pretty much every issue that comes up.

I support your stance, fully.

[Humanist_Activist]

24. On a more personal note, I'm pro quintuple bypass surgery, my dad is alive because of it. n/t

[shenmue]

27. I like pie

[bravenak]

28. They should come with a forced vaginal ultrasound.

[beam me up scottie]

34. And counseling about the "alternatives".

Maybe they should have to fight their way through a mob of vicious assholes who want to stop them from having the procedure.

But we'll be sympathetic even though they should have made better choices.

[bravenak]

35. Absolutely.

And strange rules that only apply to hospitals and clinics that do such procedures. It's the only way.

[beam me up scottie]

37. And we have every right to give our opinion about the op's procedures.

Because being pro-triple bypass is creepy.

And I shouldn't have to pay for the operation either, this could have all been prevented.

[bravenak]

38. Great point.

No government funding is the way. Why should the taxpayers pay to fund preventable procedures? We should only pay in the case of unpreventable defects or damage. Otherwise it's just immoral.

[beam me up scottie]

39. Absolutely.

The poster shouldn't have eaten all those Big Macs, tsk.

But I'm not judging them or anything.

[bravenak]

41. Exactly. We don't judge.

We are just educating the masses.

[beam me up scottie]

42. Fox, er, I mean op reports you decide!

When will people learn not to cross DU's feminists?

[loyalsister]

43. I am pro-divorce

Divorce is the analogy that Sarah Weddington used.
Obviously it is not what anyone expects or anticipates when they get married, but things don't always go as planned. I have supported and even advocated divorce for friends.

Having known women who have had difficulty obtaining one, I think it should be more readily available to all. It can rescue a quality of life and even prevent tragedy.

Just as abortion should be easily affordable and accessible to any woman who thinks it is the best choice for her situation.