Detroit and Newark, NJ once had a major race riots, too

[brentspeak]

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In July 1967.

Today, these once great cities are hell holes.

[bravenak]

1. So did Los Angeles.

It looks better than ever.

[Throd]

2. Depends on which part of Los Angeles.

[bravenak]

9. Even Knickerson gardens looks better.

And downtown.

[brentspeak]

3. How about the victims of the riots?

How are they doing?

[bravenak]

7. Why don't you check on them?

The businesses were insured and the property was valuable.the stores where the owners were cool are still standing and did great business during that time when the national guards was keeping the blacks in our neighborhood with tanks and guns for a week.

[brentspeak]

8. I take it the dead have returned to life? n/t

[bravenak]

11. The dead were mostly killed by police.

[brentspeak]

14. Coroner's reports lists 10 of 53 dead killed by police

Does 10 out of 53 count as "most" on your planet?

[bravenak]

16. Cops lie about killing folks.

I blame all that on the police for abusing a population into rioting.

[brentspeak]

17. Since coroners are not cops

We can only assume you are a kook.

[bravenak]

18. Coroners have no idea who killed the person.

They are not like on Bones. Manner of death, mode of death. They leave who done it up to the police. Police who lie and murder.

[brentspeak]

20. Sure. I always accept the word of anonymous internet posters

over the findings of medical examiners. Shouldn't everyone?

[bravenak]

23. You think the medical examiner knows who killed every person on their table?

Lol!! Why do we have so many cold cases if the coroners always know who did the killings? Lol!

[brentspeak]

31. We sure know who killed Matthew Haines:

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-03/news/mn-1941_1_matt-haines

Mob Did Not Take Time to Ask Their Victim His Views : Crime: Mechanic was outraged by the verdicts, too, but that didn't matter when crowd descended and killed him.
May 03, 1992|ROXANA KOPETMAN and GREG KRIKORIAN | TIMES STAFF WRITERS

If his killers had known of his anger at the system, or that he shared their outrage at the Rodney G. King verdict, maybe, just maybe, Matt Haines of Long Beach might not have been murdered when the rioting in that city turned its streets into battlefields.

But the white 32-year-old mechanic never had a chance to talk with his murderers. Or to tell them where he was headed--to the home of a black friend who could not start her van.

Of all of the murders that marked last week's riots, none may have been as ironic as that of Haines, who was gunned down after he was stopped by a mob of black men and teen-agers as he and his nephew, Scott Coleman, 26, rode Haines' motorcycle to a friend's apartment in Long Beach.

Haines and Coleman, family and friends say, were best friends and roommates. They were inseparable. So when Haines' friend--a black woman named Skeeter--called for help with her van, the two set out around 6 p.m. Thursday from their apartment near Belmont Heights.

and Dwight Taylor and Elbert Wilkins: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/04/us/riots-in-los-angeles-the-victims-3-killed-when-death-was-looking-for-strangers.html

And we also know that you are a french fry short of a Happy Meal.

[bravenak]

32. That is not a coroner report.

[NuclearDem]

19. ...

[CAG]

26. so do rioters

[bravenak]

27. Link?

[brooklynite]

4. The riots were in Watts, not Downtown or Hollywood...

[bravenak]

5. Were you there?

The riots streched all the way to La Cienega. There were pockets all over the city. I drove from east side Avalon to Vernon to La Cienega, and shit was burning the whole way. Some of my peopke looted and burned down the Fedco. We got a Target in it's place and we got Albertson's and Ralph's where we burned down the ABC markets and Balians market. I know, cause I was there.

[kwassa]

10. Bravenak is talking about the '92 riots.

I was there, too.

[Throd]

13. Me too. Still quite a few weed strewn lots in North Long Beach where buildings once stood.

[kwassa]

22. I left LA in '95 ...

so I got the Northridge quake, too. I lived up near Wilshire and LaBrea.

I don't know exactly what has been rebuilt. All the gas stations up and down LaBrea were torched. I watched a fairly organized gang attempt to break into Adray's on Wilshire. When the police disappear for days .... I blame Darryl Gates for much of the problem.

April 29 - May 1 was most of the activity. There were pillars of smoke going up everywhere in all directions. Beautiful weather, otherwise.

[sarisataka]

25. Well then

maybe cities should have riots every so many years. Kind of a popular urban renewal program

If that works we could expand and allow other crimes to be legal on certain days

[bravenak]

28. That movie scared me.

Because I think we'll get there one day unless we change the way society works.

[sarisataka]

30. Sadly,

I agree with that. It was far too easy to picture it actually happening- although in the real world society wouldn't br so perfect the other 364 days...

[trumad]

6. Miami had two.....

Great City.

[NuclearDem]

12. ...

[kwassa]

24. LOL!

[FSogol]

15. DC too. Ever hear the story of Ben's Chili Bowl?

From wiki:

The U Street corridor was devastated by the 1968 riots that followed the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. During the riots, black activist Stokely Carmichael, leader of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, asked Ben to keep his restaurant open and the Alis obtained permission to stay open past curfew. The restaurant fed both the police officers and firemen working to impose order on the neighborhood, as well as the black activists. The violence and arson reached such an extent that Ben wrote "Soul Brother" in soap on the front window in the hopes that it would stop the angry mobs.

The destruction of so many businesses led to the flight of residents towards the suburbs and the economic decline of the neighborhood through the mid-1970s to mid-1980s.

[TheNutcracker]

21. Detroit is coming back, far from a hell hole.

The riots of Detroit brought curfews, burned out businesses, and everyone way out in the burbs, to stay up on a 24 hr. watch, with 'salt guns'. Told to shoot then drag rioters in the home. Don't wait for them to enter. I REMEMBER THOSE LOCAL INSTRUCTIONS. This is so sad.

[longship]

33. Well I lived in Detroit at the time and I remember smoke and National Guard Jeeps with machine guns.

I'm very sorry folks that the "Burbs" were so worried that they were told to commit assault and then stage a break-in. I am sure the Burb police would have gone along with that story.

But, nobody in the Burbs saw the shit that I saw and we obeyed the mandatory curfews but life went on and none of us salted their shot guns. I had many black and white neighbors. None of us were considering committing such an atrocity as you suggest.

I am appalled. I suggest you self delete your post.

By the way, we all waved at the National Guard Jeeps as they drove by.

[AuntPatsy]

29. Has nothing to do with the riots the conditions of those cities, I strongly disagree...

[BainsBane]

34. Detroit has suffered the ravages of deindustrialization

and outsourcing of jobs. Riots are an expressing of frustration. They do not CAUSE economic decline.
Your post provides no information, no causal effect. What is the point of it other than to show how little you know about the recent history of your own nation?

Do you think people in Baltimore are going to see your finger wagging and think: "Oh, let's not riot. A guy on internet said Detroit and Newark are shit holes because of riots. That explains everything."

What a waste of bandwith. If you must make yourself the center of the discussion, at least find something remotely informed to say.

[brentspeak]

35. You've demonstrated that how informed you are about the city of Newark

whose manufacturing base was significantly less than that of Detroit's.

As for your similar lack of knowledge concerning the riots' role in exacerbating Detroit's decline:

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/23/us/5-days-in-1967-still-shake-detroit.html

5 Days in 1967 Still Shake Detroit
By ROBYN MEREDITH
Published: July 23, 1997

...

Whole blocks had gone up in flames, and the looting was so extensive that in some neighborhoods, alleys and sidewalks were lined with old sofas and armchairs that residents had cast out to make room for new furniture. Along 12th Street, smoldering piles of debris had replaced a bustling neighborhood of apartment houses, grocers, bars, a shoe store, a dry cleaner, a meat market and a bicycle shop.

Today, empty lots of thigh-high grass cover much of the area. Only one business owner at the epicenter of the riots, Carl Perry, still hangs on, operating a tiny photography studio next to a boarded-up storefront.

So, the next time you crash someone's thread in a blubbering fit of tipsy self-righteousness, maybe its best to do some research first.

[BainsBane]

36. I didn't mention Newark, did I?

If you're so keen on "research," why didn't you bother to do any for your OP? You still have nothing approaching evidence. If you think one line in a newspaper means anything, you really are clueless. Pretending economic decline has nothing to do with urban blight is one of the most ill-informed assumptions anyone can possibly make. The only thing you do provide evidence of is your self satisfied indignation. Aren't you glad you are so superior to people who have nothing and get killed for it. Just turn your TV off and go back to worrying about your next golf game. This isn't about you. I'm sorry I indulged your ego by even responding.

[brentspeak]

37. My "next golf game"