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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:28 PM Apr 2015

Justice Roberts revives an old argument that could save gay marriage

The gay rights movement has spent years trying to convince judges across the country that prohibiting same-sex marriage discriminates against gays and lesbians solely because of their sexual orientation.

But on Tuesday, a surprising question from Chief Justice John Roberts revived a very different legal strategy that the gay rights movement had all but abandoned.

Roberts, who generally sides with the court’s conservatives, asked John Bursch, who was defending Michigan’s same-sex marriage ban, whether the law discriminates against people based on their gender.

“Counsel, I’m not sure it’s necessary to get into sexual orientation to resolve the case,” Roberts said. “I mean, if Sue loves Joe and Tom loves Joe, Sue can marry him and Tom can’t. And the difference is based upon their different sex. Why isn’t that a straightforward question of sexual discrimination?”

Bursch responded that he believed the government can legally draw lines based on sex if it’s related to biology, such as the ability to procreate. But Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg disagreed with his interpretation, interrupting his rebuttal.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/justice-roberts-revives-an-old-argument-that-could-117640176486.html

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Hekate

(90,496 posts)
4. Which Ruth batted down like a cat with a ball of yarn, lol
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:16 AM
Apr 2015

"What if a couple of 70-year olds want to marry? Quite obviously they are not going to procreate."

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
5. Tuesday LA Times had an intriguing article on Justice Kennedy...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:22 AM
Apr 2015

He's been working this over in his mind for well over 20 years. He started with privacy and keeps coming back to the issue of dignity, among other watchwords. Recommend the article.

 

Suji to Seoul

(2,035 posts)
6. I smell another 5-4. I would be surprised if this went 6-3. But I believe the Supremes
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:31 AM
Apr 2015

will come down on the right side. Roberts may be the swing like he was in the ACA case. Kennedy could also swing, but I doubt it!

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
7. After reading that article with my morning coffee, I think Kennedy will be on our side...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:39 AM
Apr 2015

He gets it, and with Ginsberg there to frame it, all the better.

 

Suji to Seoul

(2,035 posts)
8. So, the count would be
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:41 AM
Apr 2015
FOR -------------------- AGAINST
Breyer ----------------- Fatass Tony
Ginsburg --------------- Sammy The Fish
Sotomayor ------------- Justice Oops
Kagan
Kennedy
Roberts

Looking at that, it wouldn't surprise be, but it would shock me if it were 6-3.
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
16. Roberts might have plunged in the dagger
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:52 AM
Apr 2015

Can't say this isn't pleasing considering who nominated him for his appointment and his saving of the ACA. Must drive the right crazy.

Was Bursch caught off-guard? His answer was weak and rightly mocked by Ginsburg. Very positive signs here.

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