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neverforget

(9,436 posts)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:42 AM Apr 2015

US Chamber of Commerce and the TPP

Valentine’s Love Letter to the TPP

Dearest Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement,

I can't stop thinking about how great we'd be together. Dreaming of all of those exports passing through our borders keeps me up late at night. The possibilities are endless and it's hard to keep me from dreaming about our future.

Comprising 40% of the world's economy, I'd be a fool not to cross the Pacific for you. I'd go to twelve countries and span all three continents just to dance with you. But as we all know, love is a matter of quality, not quantity. Our love is meaningful and can satisfy our biological needs--especially if you guarantee to protect regulatory data for 12 years. You know, dear TPP, that I will drop to one knee and say "I do" for gold--no, diamond--standards for intellectual property. My creative and innovative talents need your protection. Without trade agreements like you, it would be a long, hard journey to jumpstart our economies.

And don't worry - I love your trade promotion authority as if she were my own family. I'm ready to adopt her today if that would fast-track me to your heart. I can't wait to call you my own and make sweet sweet economic progress with you.

Please be mine. I will be yours.

Love,
The American Business Community


The US Chamber of Commerce is the enemy of every worker in this country. They have been trying to destroy unions since their inception. They fund the anti-union Workforce Freedom Initiative. Take a look at that website. How anyone thinks that the TPP is going to be good for American workers is beyond me with supporters such as the US Chamber, Orin Hatch, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, John Boehner, etc.

This guy is not looking out for you:

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US Chamber of Commerce and the TPP (Original Post) neverforget Apr 2015 OP
And Labor was not invited to help negoitate the TPP Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #1
Labor has very little to no power any more with the decimation of the unions. neverforget Apr 2015 #4
kick midnight Apr 2015 #5
Good point. fasttense Apr 2015 #6
workers are an afterthought, if thought of at all. KG Apr 2015 #2
http://www.justseeds.org/blog/images/6a00d8345357ef69e201543650cfdb970c-500wi.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #3
The Democratic base, liberal Democrats and the TPP pampango Apr 2015 #7
Some background about Pampango's free trade propaganda brentspeak Apr 2015 #8
I do love posts about posters but you make some interesting points. pampango Apr 2015 #10
"Bob only posts about other posters! No fair! Plus, I don't understand irony!" nt Romulox Apr 2015 #16
we disagree. I think pampango has been arguing in good faith cali Apr 2015 #11
Thanks, cali. And I feel the same way about you even though we often do not agree. n/t pampango Apr 2015 #12
Not to the extent that she pretends she is "still making up her mind" about TPP. She supports it. Romulox Apr 2015 #14
I'd like to see a more current poll after the dust up of last week. Both of those are neverforget Apr 2015 #17
So would I. I haven't had any luck finding one but there must be some out there now pampango Apr 2015 #20
Me too. I would expect that as more Democrats learn about what the TPP is/does, the opposition would neverforget Apr 2015 #21
And if you agree with the Chamber of Commerce.... kentuck Apr 2015 #9
"40% of the world's economy" aspirant Apr 2015 #13
We have our own posters who regurgitate US Chamber of Commerce points here, every day. Romulox Apr 2015 #15
So true. Fake Dems promoting fake free trade deals that are nothing more than Elwood P Dowd Apr 2015 #19
+1 woo me with science Apr 2015 #23
That guy is Tom Donohue, one of the lowest pieces of whale feces in American history. Elwood P Dowd Apr 2015 #18
yeah. he's all about businesses and nothing about workers neverforget Apr 2015 #22
 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
6. Good point.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:47 AM
Apr 2015

To think that smart, heroic men created and promoted democracy than allowed a feudalistic, savage economic system to flourish. How in the world can democracy exist when we have the most undemocratic of economic systems? We need more democracy in our economics and less capatlism.

But the uber rich want more capitalism and less democracy.

KG

(28,751 posts)
2. workers are an afterthought, if thought of at all.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:28 AM
Apr 2015

there's no need to 'wait and see'. that's just a cop-out for the tiger-beats.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
7. The Democratic base, liberal Democrats and the TPP
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:05 AM
Apr 2015


Democratic support for both treaties is stronger than that of Republicans: 60% of Democrats see TTIP as a good thing compared with 44% of Republicans, while 59% of Democrats look favorably on TPP compared with 49% of Republicans.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/07/why-cant-we-all-get-along-challenges-ahead-for-bipartisan-cooperation/

Poll: conservative and moderate republicans oppose fast track (for the TPP) by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.

On the question of fast-track authority, 62 percent of respondent opposed the idea, with 43 percent “strongly” opposing it. Broken down by political affiliation, only Democrats that identify as “liberal” strongly favor the idea. Predictably, a strong Republican majority oppose giving the president such authority, with both conservative and moderates oppose it by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.

http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-poll-only-strongest-obama-supporters-want-him-have-fast-track-1552039

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
8. Some background about Pampango's free trade propaganda
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:11 AM
Apr 2015

here on DU:

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3218994

More (falsely invoking FDR): http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=653430

Finally, the Pew Research Center is a corporate-sponsored think tank which is paid to promulgate pro-"free trade" propaganda.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
10. I do love posts about posters but you make some interesting points.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:35 AM
Apr 2015
Finally, the Pew Research Center is a corporate-sponsored think tank which is paid to promulgate pro-"free trade" propaganda.

If you have evidence of that, I will stop using the Pew Research Center.

Will you do the same? The first link you provided is to a post of yours that includes a poll from the Pew Research Center. And the poll you posted shows widespread sentiment against trade agreements - rather odd considering that Pew is "a corporate-sponsored think tank which is paid to promulgate pro-"free trade" propaganda." (Another odd occurrence is a quote in the poll you referenced: "Support for free trade agreements is now at one of its lowest points in 13 years of Pew Research Center surveys." Apparently Pew is not a very dependable "promulgator of pro-free trade' propaganda.

Other results in the poll you posted:



Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who agree with the Tea Party have a particularly negative view of the impact of free trade agreements. Only about a quarter of Republicans who agree with the Tea Party (24%) say that free trade agreements like NAFTA and the policies of the WTO have been a good thing for the United States, while 63% say they have been a bad thing.

I agree that RTAA was limited to 'secret' bilateral trade negotiations with countries selected by FDR. It did represent a huge change from the Coolidge/Hoover era of high tariffs and limited trade but it was more limited than modern trade agreements.

How about FDR's International Trade Organization proposed in 1944? That is a lot closer to the WTO of modern times.

on edit: BTW, you forgot to blast the second poll I posted showing liberal Democratic support for and conservative republican opposition to fast track. Surely the "Hart Research Associates, a Democratic pollster, and Chesapeake Beach Consulting, a Republican polling firm" are flawed organizations out to produce pro-free trade results any way they can.
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. we disagree. I think pampango has been arguing in good faith
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:42 AM
Apr 2015

Obviously, the two of us don't agree....

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
14. Not to the extent that she pretends she is "still making up her mind" about TPP. She supports it.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:02 AM
Apr 2015

And she supports virtually every other radical rightwing trade agreement, without any regard for their effect on working Americans. Just the same way as she support TPP, regardless.

So that's not honest, and that's not "good faith".

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
17. I'd like to see a more current poll after the dust up of last week. Both of those are
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:30 PM
Apr 2015

from last year.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
20. So would I. I haven't had any luck finding one but there must be some out there now
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:23 PM
Apr 2015

that things are happening in congress.

I would expect movement in our base towards the position of most of our congress people but I would be surprised if the republican base changes their opinion much. Their position on TPP is so diametrically opposed to that of their establishment in congress that the latter will have much impact in changing their view of TPP and fast track.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
21. Me too. I would expect that as more Democrats learn about what the TPP is/does, the opposition would
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:53 PM
Apr 2015

grow. If not, well then I guess I'm wrong about them.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
13. "40% of the world's economy"
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:59 AM
Apr 2015

Has anyone broken this down?

How much is Vietnam, New Zealand, Malaysia, Brunei, Chile etc and then how much is the USA. Canada and Japan?

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
15. We have our own posters who regurgitate US Chamber of Commerce points here, every day.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:04 AM
Apr 2015

Ever here of a DUer being banned for promoting rightwing economics? Me neither.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
19. So true. Fake Dems promoting fake free trade deals that are nothing more than
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:04 PM
Apr 2015

investment/outsourcing scams masquerading under the name "Free Trade".

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
18. That guy is Tom Donohue, one of the lowest pieces of whale feces in American history.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:01 PM
Apr 2015

Union busting and fake free trade deals he supported and promoted starting with NAFTA made him tens of millions of dollars as Chamber head.

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