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Valentines Love Letter to the TPPI can't stop thinking about how great we'd be together. Dreaming of all of those exports passing through our borders keeps me up late at night. The possibilities are endless and it's hard to keep me from dreaming about our future.
Comprising 40% of the world's economy, I'd be a fool not to cross the Pacific for you. I'd go to twelve countries and span all three continents just to dance with you. But as we all know, love is a matter of quality, not quantity. Our love is meaningful and can satisfy our biological needs--especially if you guarantee to protect regulatory data for 12 years. You know, dear TPP, that I will drop to one knee and say "I do" for gold--no, diamond--standards for intellectual property. My creative and innovative talents need your protection. Without trade agreements like you, it would be a long, hard journey to jumpstart our economies.
And don't worry - I love your trade promotion authority as if she were my own family. I'm ready to adopt her today if that would fast-track me to your heart. I can't wait to call you my own and make sweet sweet economic progress with you.
Please be mine. I will be yours.
Love,
The American Business Community
The US Chamber of Commerce is the enemy of every worker in this country. They have been trying to destroy unions since their inception. They fund the anti-union Workforce Freedom Initiative. Take a look at that website. How anyone thinks that the TPP is going to be good for American workers is beyond me with supporters such as the US Chamber, Orin Hatch, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, John Boehner, etc.
This guy is not looking out for you:
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)but the lawyers from major corporations were.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)midnight
(26,624 posts)fasttense
(17,301 posts)To think that smart, heroic men created and promoted democracy than allowed a feudalistic, savage economic system to flourish. How in the world can democracy exist when we have the most undemocratic of economic systems? We need more democracy in our economics and less capatlism.
But the uber rich want more capitalism and less democracy.
KG
(28,751 posts)there's no need to 'wait and see'. that's just a cop-out for the tiger-beats.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)Democratic support for both treaties is stronger than that of Republicans: 60% of Democrats see TTIP as a good thing compared with 44% of Republicans, while 59% of Democrats look favorably on TPP compared with 49% of Republicans.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/07/why-cant-we-all-get-along-challenges-ahead-for-bipartisan-cooperation/
Poll: conservative and moderate republicans oppose fast track (for the TPP) by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.
On the question of fast-track authority, 62 percent of respondent opposed the idea, with 43 percent strongly opposing it. Broken down by political affiliation, only Democrats that identify as liberal strongly favor the idea. Predictably, a strong Republican majority oppose giving the president such authority, with both conservative and moderates oppose it by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.
http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-poll-only-strongest-obama-supporters-want-him-have-fast-track-1552039
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)here on DU:
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3218994
More (falsely invoking FDR): http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=653430
Finally, the Pew Research Center is a corporate-sponsored think tank which is paid to promulgate pro-"free trade" propaganda.
pampango
(24,692 posts)If you have evidence of that, I will stop using the Pew Research Center.
Will you do the same? The first link you provided is to a post of yours that includes a poll from the Pew Research Center. And the poll you posted shows widespread sentiment against trade agreements - rather odd considering that Pew is "a corporate-sponsored think tank which is paid to promulgate pro-"free trade" propaganda." (Another odd occurrence is a quote in the poll you referenced: "Support for free trade agreements is now at one of its lowest points in 13 years of Pew Research Center surveys." Apparently Pew is not a very dependable "promulgator of pro-free trade' propaganda.
Other results in the poll you posted:
Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who agree with the Tea Party have a particularly negative view of the impact of free trade agreements. Only about a quarter of Republicans who agree with the Tea Party (24%) say that free trade agreements like NAFTA and the policies of the WTO have been a good thing for the United States, while 63% say they have been a bad thing.
I agree that RTAA was limited to 'secret' bilateral trade negotiations with countries selected by FDR. It did represent a huge change from the Coolidge/Hoover era of high tariffs and limited trade but it was more limited than modern trade agreements.
How about FDR's International Trade Organization proposed in 1944? That is a lot closer to the WTO of modern times.
on edit: BTW, you forgot to blast the second poll I posted showing liberal Democratic support for and conservative republican opposition to fast track. Surely the "Hart Research Associates, a Democratic pollster, and Chesapeake Beach Consulting, a Republican polling firm" are flawed organizations out to produce pro-free trade results any way they can.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Obviously, the two of us don't agree....
pampango
(24,692 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)And she supports virtually every other radical rightwing trade agreement, without any regard for their effect on working Americans. Just the same way as she support TPP, regardless.
So that's not honest, and that's not "good faith".
neverforget
(9,436 posts)from last year.
pampango
(24,692 posts)that things are happening in congress.
I would expect movement in our base towards the position of most of our congress people but I would be surprised if the republican base changes their opinion much. Their position on TPP is so diametrically opposed to that of their establishment in congress that the latter will have much impact in changing their view of TPP and fast track.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)grow. If not, well then I guess I'm wrong about them.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)...you may be in the wrong Party?
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Has anyone broken this down?
How much is Vietnam, New Zealand, Malaysia, Brunei, Chile etc and then how much is the USA. Canada and Japan?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Ever here of a DUer being banned for promoting rightwing economics? Me neither.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)investment/outsourcing scams masquerading under the name "Free Trade".
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)States that build surveillance machines also build propaganda machines.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Union busting and fake free trade deals he supported and promoted starting with NAFTA made him tens of millions of dollars as Chamber head.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)The bottom line is what he's about