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The whole article is really interesting, IMO. Had to snip out a lot. From Mark Twain to Margaret Thatcher, to Indiana Jones to Tupac. No mention of Union Thugs though. Also didn't go into detail about the Tupac acronym T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32538487
A 19th-century watercolour by an unknown Indian artist depicts three Thugs strangling a traveller
In the wake of violence and unrest in Baltimore, media commentators as well as politicians - including President Barack Obama - called rioters "thugs", and were criticised for it. But the term has a much older history.
Activists and cultural critics have pointed out the term is often used to refer to black Americans, and white Americans doing similar things would not be labelled the same way
. So it may be a surprise that the word originates far away, in India.
"As far as I can tell, thug goes back to the 14th Century," says Megan Garber, who traced the word's origin for a story in The Atlantic. "There was a gang of criminals known as the thuggee."
.. Thugs were a huge criminal network that operated all around India's main roads. "They would basically befriend travellers along the roads, gain the travellers' trust," she says. "And then they would murder them, usually by strangulation, and steal their valuables. It was all very violent."
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Garber says the word thug actually rebounded in American popular culture, thanks in part to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. "There was a plotline that involved kidnapping by way of thugs," she says. "A lot of Indian Americans actually protested the portrayal of the thugs in that movie, but that sort of brought it back into the cultural presence again."
Then hip-hop took the word. Tupac had it tattooed onto his body, and Cleveland's Bone Thugs-N-Harmony sent the word into cars and living rooms across the country. In this conception of the word, Garber writes, thugs "are both victims and agents of injustice, they are both the products and producers of violence, and mayhem, and outrage".
She's also been listening to how people have been using the word in the Baltimore riots. snip "It's this very effective way of suggesting that the people who are doing the rioting and who are being called thugs don't actually have a right to their outrage," she says.
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"In some sense, the history of language is about people trying to wield power over other people," she says.
"And so this is just one more example of that strife and that effort."
underpants
(182,747 posts)Thanks
FarPoint
(12,321 posts)I was beginning to feel like being verbally hog tied regarding basic communication terms.
What is next?....In all honesty, I dread the next over sensitivity- outrage shaming thread.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)and she was telling me this the other day.
Good OP and thanks for posting it.
lame54
(35,282 posts)Three brown guys assaulting a white guy
Not seeing the point of this
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)it depicts three caucasians assaulting a fourth caucasian.
lame54
(35,282 posts)I see the exact same thing I described
What are you looking at
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)lame54
(35,282 posts)It's not a photo
Its an artist depiction
And they chose to separate the classes by color
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Go back to the 19th century and give this artist a piece of our mind.
Bryant
1939
(1,683 posts)Higher caste folks tended to be lighter skinned.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Just as the article says.
lame54
(35,282 posts)Was a religious symbol
But it has its own meaning now
Ancient history is not going to change that
The word thug has been given a new meaning and if we allow to stand it will be locked in forever
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)for a long time. And it is true that words evolve.
But, as I started to say in another thread, words have another road to power.
In this case, as in quite a few others, outrage over the word became far more important than the act itself. The outrage over burning down a CVS was redirected to "How dare you call kids who burn down a CVS such a name?"
And we fell for it. Rather than doing the sensible thing and just keep calling white criminals thugs, as we had been occasionally doing all along, we just caved and let a few define the word for us and eliminate it from our vocabulary.
That's power.
derby378
(30,252 posts)They propose eliminating the word, I rebut by essentially saying they haven't proved their case. Now the ball's in their court.
And I had a revelation overnight. For all this talk of dog-whistling, they might have missed the biggest dog-whistle of all time. More on that when I get a chance.
malthaussen
(17,184 posts)Worshippers of Kali, among whose avatars are deception and death. Killing and robbing travellers was a religious ritual. Of course, as always happens with these things, the number of people who claimed to be Thugs but were really just opportunistic highwaymen is probably very high.
In the film "Gunga Din," the Indian leader exhorts his men to "Kill for the love of Kali."
The sect was officially wiped out by the Raj over a several-decade period. Apparently they did a fair job of it, since the sect has not had any recorded resurgence.
-- Mal
1939
(1,683 posts)A "thug" was anybody who used violence or threats of violence to further his ends. Examples were muggers, gang members, union goons, strong armed robbers as opposed to pickpockets, burglars, safe crackers who operated by stealth. The words was in common use in the large cities of the north long before the African-American migration out of the south.
Moron, imbecile, and idiot were once descriptive technical terms for levels of IQ which for PC purposes were suppressed and replaced with the euphemism "retarded" which now in its own turn is being suppressed. Thug as a descriptor is now being suppressed. How many words will we lose in this race to ban them?
B2G
(9,766 posts)The Mafia and Unions come immediately to mind.
Personally, I think this whole 'outrage' is ridiculous.