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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:14 PM May 2012

"Austerity" is a Conspiracy against Humanity

Nobody at the top thinks austerity will do what is promised. (In today's economy. Austerity is fine during an economic boom but utter disaster in a demand and employment crisis.)

There isn't a scrap of evidence in support of the extraordinary proposition that austerity=growth, and not even much theory, but there are some economists who think that reducing government deficits increases employment and GDP because they are ideological idiots. And some more who "believe" it because their job description is, "An economist who believes this shit."

Such is life... there are always some "experts" in high places spinning for whatever world-view is most convenient for the super-rich. Hiring delusional true believers to front for the enterprise is always part of the overall scam.

For instance, Bush hired every mental defective in the world who believed in the Iraq WMD as a military or foreign policy adviser. But that doesn't mean that everyone at the top believed in the WMD. Some folks thought invading Iraq was good thing geopolitically or for domestic politics (eg. Rove) and if the half-wit true-believers talked themselves into a pretext that was useful.

Another for instance: There were a few economists stupid enough to think the Reagan tax cuts would not explode the deficit. But we know for a fact today (because he admitted this decades ago), that budget director Stockman understood that the Lauffer curve was nonsense and that the tax cuts would explode the deficit. So why did the inner circle want them? Because they thought exploding the deficit would serve the greater good of getting people to want government to be smaller.

A lot of people know full well that austerity, in today's world, can only increase unemployment but support austerity anyway because it serves a greater agenda—keeping inflation as low as possible. Unnaturally low inflation is what created and maintained the international finance juggernaut. It protects idle capital and fuels asset bubbles. It makes people who loan money rich.

And any amount of human suffering is okay as long as the economy is not allowed to get rolling, which would ironically be worse for financial institutions than our ongoing stagnation. (Anyone who doubts this, look at the stock market which is decoupled from unemployment and GDP. A nightmare economy for workers can produce huge corporate profits if handled right.)

(Remember James Carville's immortal quote... when Clinton took office it was the first Democratic crack at the job in 12 years. A lot of people had a lot of programs they wanted. But Carville found that all proposals had to be scaled back in deference to the concerns of the Treasury team who were primarily concerned about interest rates. Carville said that when he died he wanted to be reincarnated as "the fucking bond market" because it seemed that was what really ran the world. For the record, the US Treasury market today is the strongest it has ever been. Ever. In history.)

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"Austerity" is a Conspiracy against Humanity (Original Post) cthulu2016 May 2012 OP
It is the Shock Doctrine Naomi Klein set forth in hifiguy May 2012 #1
I'm getting sick of hearing that fucking word Blue Owl May 2012 #2
They have the pepper spray, batons, guns and jails. hifiguy May 2012 #3
The 99% are chicken because... ljm2002 May 2012 #5
Occupy is that portion of the 99% that gets it. DCKit May 2012 #7
+1 HiPointDem May 2012 #12
Kurt Vonnegut would say Shame cthulu2016 May 2012 #6
If we the Majority wont press them... DearAbby May 2012 #4
Economists are the modern day royal court philosophers. Odin2005 May 2012 #8
Alas, it's not a crime against humanity in international law cali May 2012 #9
Yes, but a conspiracy nonetheless cthulu2016 May 2012 #11
K&R 99Forever May 2012 #10
... cthulu2016 May 2012 #13
What is the standard, accepted definition of austerity in economics? hack89 May 2012 #14
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
1. It is the Shock Doctrine Naomi Klein set forth in
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:33 PM
May 2012

her book of the same name. Nothing more and nothing less. It is a baldfaced attempt to reinstate feudal economics and society.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
3. They have the pepper spray, batons, guns and jails.
Tue May 8, 2012, 05:03 PM
May 2012

And are more than willing to use them. That might be one reason.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
5. The 99% are chicken because...
Tue May 8, 2012, 05:26 PM
May 2012

...we are divided. So we don't feel like the 99%.

black / white
religious / secular
urban / rural
liberal / conservative
political / apolitical
middle class / working class / poor / homeless
union / nonunion
public sector / private sector
male / female
anti abortion / pro choice
"hard working" / "lazy freeloaders"

All of the above are used to divide us, and apparently we are all too willing to go along.

It won't change until the 99% begin to see our common interests. Right now, we're as divided as I ever remember us being, and that includes during the Vietnam era.

Occupy seemed to offer some hope to change that. I'm still hopeful. Some days. Certainly if the 99% ever got off our collective duffs and pulled together, we could put the 1% in the rightful place, which is pure irrelevance. Nothing to do with guns or violence. All it would take is for all of us to just not do their bidding one day, one week, one month... whatever it takes to shake the phony power structures we are laboring under.

Unfortunately, right now humanity seems to be laboring under some form of mass insanity where we allow ourselves to be manipulated into doing things that benefit no one except for the sociopaths running things. Any suggestion that the existing order should be changed is met with howls of outrage from the Very Important People.

It sucks.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
7. Occupy is that portion of the 99% that gets it.
Tue May 8, 2012, 07:54 PM
May 2012

The divisions mean far less to Occupy and most of the people who post here.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
6. Kurt Vonnegut would say Shame
Tue May 8, 2012, 05:28 PM
May 2012

In America people are ashamed to be poor and reluctant to advertise the fact.

We have a nation of desperate people who all think it is just them.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
4. If we the Majority wont press them...
Tue May 8, 2012, 05:09 PM
May 2012

...they will forever hoard the wealth, claiming some great calamity if they allow a bit of it to flow. They will forever say "Wait"....as Bill Cosby said in the great skit about the conversation between God and Noah..."How long can you tread water?"....I am about to go under, I can't wait very long.

Do we want the very few to continue hoarding the wealth for a rainy day? Or, do we call this a rainy day, and start investing? That is the choice this November.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
8. Economists are the modern day royal court philosophers.
Tue May 8, 2012, 08:23 PM
May 2012

Spouting logical-sounding sophistry in support of their masters.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
11. Yes, but a conspiracy nonetheless
Wed May 9, 2012, 12:07 AM
May 2012

Remember Adam Smith's famous quote... "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public."

I think international banking counts as a trade. Unfortunately treasury secretaries, central bankers and national executives are often honorary members of the profession.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. What is the standard, accepted definition of austerity in economics?
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:21 PM
May 2012

It is used a lot here but it is not clear to me that it means the same thing to everyone.

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