HRC was Supportive of TPP before it was cool

[Motown_Johnny]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/04/21/401123124/a-timeline-of-hillary-clintons-evolution-on-trade


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Like many Democrats, including the current president, Hillary Clinton has had difficulty maintaining a consistent position on international trade.

Fast-Track Trade Authority Debate Puts Presidential Candidates On The Spot
As President Obama seeks fast-track authority for a 12-country Pacific trade deal and Congress inches toward giving it to him, Clinton is hedging on a deal she once strongly backed.

"She will be watching closely to see what is being done to crack down on currency manipulation, improve labor rights, protect the environment and health, promote transparency and open new opportunities for our small businesses to export overseas," an aide said in a statement Friday. Additionally, any trade deal would need to pass two tests for Clinton to support it, the campaign said: (1) Protect U.S. workers and raise wages, and (2) strengthen national security.

Yet, previously as secretary of state, Clinton called the Trans-Pacific Partnership the "gold standard in trade agreements." In her second memoir, Hard Choices, released in 2014, Clinton lauded the deal, saying it "would link markets throughout Asia and the Americas, lowering trade barriers while raising standards on labor, the environment, and intellectual property." She even said it was "important for American workers, who would benefit from competing on a more level playing field." She also called it "a strategic initiative that would strengthen the position of the United States in Asia."





Sorry for linking to a right wing slime machine like NPR.


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[rhett o rick]

1. Her and Sen Sanders clearly are on different sides of this issue. I side with Sen Sanders. nm

[bigwillq]

2. Me too (nt)

[Doctor_J]

3. she's had difficulty maintaining a consistent position on too many things for my taste

She flip flopped on TPP, healthcare, gay marriage. She has been consistent on issues like fracking, kxl, offshore drilling, and wall street (wrong side). She won't take a position on school privatization, Medicare and social security expansion, and domestic spying. She is not the answer to the predicament we're in

[Motown_Johnny]

6. and they attacked John Kerry as a flip-flopper.

At this point I am starting to think that the RW actually wants to run against Hillary.

[morningfog]

8. The RW has wanted to run against Hillary since 2007.

She unifies and mobilizes the right. There is so much Clinton hate on the right that the repubs would flood to the polls to vote against her. The same with money raised. A Clinton nominee would be a godsend to the repubs.

[Motown_Johnny]

9. and the endless attacks will depress swing voters

that might have voted for her but who decide to not show up instead.

Also, the endless attacks will keep her off message for the vast majority of the campaign.

I really am worried about her imploding in the General. It could hurt every other (D) on every ticket in the country.

[Doctor_J]

11. I think she'll win easily. I just don't think that triangulation is what the country needs

right now. We need someone who has nothing in common with the republicans, and who will fight them on their mission to destroy the country

[Motown_Johnny]

20. I think she could implode

and say something even worse than claiming to dodge sniper fire in Bosnia.

[hatrack]

18. And let's not forget that we all need MORE H1Bs - lots and lots and LOTS of them!

Just another great way she wants to help American workers!

[jeff47]

4. But her supporters were just saying yesterday how much she hates it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026602913

Still waiting for any of them to explain what she was doing between 2009 and 2013 to stop it. Secretary of State might have a wee bit of influence in foreign affairs....

[Motown_Johnny]

5. It seems none of her supporters will post on this thread

Very disciplined of them, all of them letting this thread sink since it points out something they can't support or deny.

Funny how that works.



Maybe they are more in support of the idea of her as President than they are actually supporting the person herself for President.

[cali]

7. aw, let's not let it sink. dollars to donuts that Hillary will keep hedging on

the tpa and tpp until there's a resolution. If the tpp passes she can talk about fixing it. If the tpa fails, she can talk about... fixing the tpp.

[Motown_Johnny]

10. OK, it is Saturday morning and now I want donuts

But I still won't take that bet. She seems to think that not taking a solid position is the safest bet. That won't work once the debates start and with Sen. Sanders there it will end up costing her.


I hope she is enjoying the great poll numbers now, while they last.

[Cheese Sandwich]

22. And that's why it's so good that he'll be in the debates

Among the other reasons.

[KoKo]

21. Good Observation...

K&R for your post:

[99Forever]

12. It enriches the rich at the expense of the 99%, AGAIN.

You know. Like the shitty deal her husband stuck us with. NAFTA

And that's only one of the shitty things about it.

Also, I don't believe for one second that she in fact, actually opposes it in anything other than weasel words.

[Scuba]

13. She'll take whatever position Jamie and Lloyd tell her to take.

[woo me with science]

14. +1 Every tactic the Third Way tries to use here only slimes them more.

[font color=red][font size=3]Hillary has always been at war with Eastasia...er...the TPP! [/font color][/font size]

Hillary Clinton's leading role in drafting the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

Hillary's TPP will mean a pay cut for 90 percent of American workers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805

Hillary Clinton and Trade Deals: That “Giant Sucking Sound”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101761

Every tactic the Third Way tries to use here only slimes them more. They really are in a hopeless situation, a Catch-22:

(1)

They can embrace and run on their candidates' predatory, corporate, warmongering, antidemocratic policy agenda. But if they do that, they alienate the 99 percent, who are sick of looting, murderous, predatory corporate exploitation.

OR

(2)

They can LIE about and deny their candidates' true agenda, and pretend to be populists. But if they do that, they alienate the 99 percent, who are sick of obvious manipulative lies from corrupt, corporate politicians.

OR

(3)

They can focus on trying to slime the opposition, in which case they alienate the 99 percent, who are sick of dirty, diversionary, dishonest politics.

They can't win, because they are corrupt. And now that we have a genuinely honest candidate in the race, their corruption is glaring by contrast. It's good to see the Third Way finally exposed for what they really are.

[font color=red]Reject Third Way propaganda and brazen rewriting of history.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025767160

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[Motown_Johnny]

16. Exposed, but nobody is looking.

We can't count on the MSM to make it common knowledge.

This isn't going to be easy.

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. International trade is a good thing. NAFTA, GATT and TPP are not about trade.

They're about standardizing laws worldwide to make them business friendly and eliminating the ability of countries to control their own.

The $200,000 fine for downloading music? That's a result of GATT. It's ridiculous law because it wasn't passed by citizens.

[Enrique]

17. calling it the "gold standard" does not necessarily mean she likes it

maybe she's against the gold standard.

[Motown_Johnny]

19. some here are sarcasm impaired

it is always better to play it safe and add the proper emote