Where's the Second Amendment advocates in the Freddie Grey case?

[backscatter712]

Let me get this straight. A man is dead. He got beaten to a pulp, thrown into a paddy wagon, taken for a Nickel Ride, got his neck snapped like a twig, got paralyzed, got his larynx crushed, and died.

What was his crime?

He allegedly possessed a switchblade.

Except it wasn't a switchblade. The knife in question turned out to be a legal pocketknife.

Do you know what this means?

Among other severe human rights violations, the Baltimore Police violated Freddie Gray's Second Amendment Rights.

So I have a question.

Where are all the Second Amendment fans? Where are all the gun bunnies?

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO???!!!!!

ANYBODY HOOOOOOOME????!!!

Wayne LaPierre, where are you? Isn't the Second Amendment your thing?

Oh, wait silly me, I forgot the unwritten rule. In America, weapons are for white people. Welcome to our post-racial nation.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

1. 2nd amendment only applies to white people, according to many

they will never admit it though

they are everywhere too

[NutmegYankee]

10. The original purpose of gun control was to disarm minorities.

It still often is for that purpose.

Sadly we as a society long ago accepted that certain concealed knives would be illegal, including switchblades. I'm sure gang fears drove that one - think West Side Story. I've often found it odd that illegal to carry knives are suddenly perfectly legal if I put them into my fishing tackle box and have a valid fishing license.

[PowerToThePeople]

11. ^This. n/t

[backscatter712]

16. Exactly. What was the original purpose of the Second Amendment?

One of the original purposes was to make sure that the slave patrols that roamed the South back in the antebellum days had enough weapons to put down a slave revolt.

That's the Second Amendment right there, to protect your Freedom™

[friendly_iconoclast]

24. Sad to see this nonsense still getting traction at DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=153756

"The Dred Scott decision was passed, in part, to prevent slaves from owning guns."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117273773

And if that wasn't enough for you, allow me to quote Chief Justice Roger Taney
in the Dred Scott decision:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford#cite_note-22

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/llst:@field%28DOCID+@lit%28llst022div3%29%29

More especially, it cannot be believed that the large slaveholding States regarded them as included in the word citizens, or would have consented to a Constitution which might compel them to receive them in that character from another State. For if they were so received, and entitled to the privileges and immunities of citizens, it would exempt them from the operation of the special laws and from the police regulations which they considered to be necessary for their own satiety. It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognized as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction, to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished; and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went. And all of this would be done in the face of the subject race of the same color, both free and slaves, and inevitably producing discontent and insubordination among them, and endangering the peace and safety of the State.

[friendly_iconoclast]

25. Fortunately, many of us here at DU are of the opposite opinion-see post #23

[ileus]

2. Humm....odd...you know a knife isn't a firearm right?

[backscatter712]

4. It's a weapon isn't it? n/t

[ileus]

6. Did it have an evil pistol grip or mean ole flash hider?

[backscatter712]

7. It might have been serrated...

Or it might have been one of those hardcore Tactical Folders that look so badass.

[ileus]

9. I still carry a 1982 mini trapper...I feel so old.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

34. 1982? My parents hadn't even met yet.

[arcane1]

8. In the words of Wayne LaPierre:

“The Second Amendment is not just about guns; it is about freedom, the freedom to own the ‘arms’ we choose to own. Whether guns or knives, our founding fathers clearly intended that ‘the people’ would be able to choose their arms freely and that this right would always be protected by the Second Amendment.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/freddie-grays-second-amendment-rights-were-violated-where-is-the-nra/

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

13. Freedom, jesus these people are stupid

more like

FREEDUMB

[beevul]

20. Do you take the position that Freddy shouldn't have had the knife?

Alternatively, do you agree with wayne that was his right to have one?


This ought to be entertaining...

[Nuclear Unicorn]

31. A few weeks ago you rushed to judgment and assumed a suicide was a lynching. At the time you

called for all POC to arm themselves for defense even stating that if they couldn't afford guns the government should supply them.

Now, you ridicule the idea of the people being able to defend themselves.

Moreover, any gun control regime you would now champion would, naturally, be enforced by the police -- of the sort who killed Freddie Grey.

Is consistency too much to ask for?

[Jesus Malverde]

22. LULZ..nt

[Hoyt]

3. The gun crowd won't like that truth.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. Freddie is black

The 2nd Amendment only applies to white people in the eyes of the gun nut.

White privilege is being able to point a rifle a law enforcement officials with no consequences.

Being black means getting shot in the back by a white cop from 30 feet away while you're unarmed and RUNNING AWAY from said cop.

Welcome to America.

[kairos12]

15. New Legal Term--The Bundy Exception

Defined as expropriating federal property and defending said property by pointing weapons at Federal Law Enforcement officials. And getting away with it. Please note to quality for the Bundy Exception you must be:

1. White
2. Have many high powered weapons and be prepared start a massacre.

[hifiguy]

12. The ammosexuals only get worked up

when it's "law abiding" white people being hassled. Poor Freddie Gray was black, so he can't have been law-abiding in their world.

[friendly_iconoclast]

23. Au contraire, ammophobes defended a white guy who attacked a black man carrying legally

And said ammophobes were/are DUers:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172159686

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172166018

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=156722

While DU gun owners and others have steadfastly defended the rights of gun owners of color:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=156722

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=153756

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=153762

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=143077

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x365852

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x331645

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117273773

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x144160#144160

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x144160#144226

Some reposts for those who have forgotten (or never knew) that progressivism is sometimes armed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x388241

Remembering Robert Hicks and the Deacons of Defense

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x331645




Here's a post where an ammophobe (who is also a rather outspoken transphobe
and banned from DU) was less than thrilled with my suggestion that some Tennesee Muslims consider arming themselves for protection against their racist neighbors:

Maybe it's time for the Imams For Defense and Justice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x457412

[Nuclear Unicorn]

30. Do you get the feeling that this thread is more about trying to delegitimize pro-RKBA debate by

taking advantage of Mr. Grey's killing (at the hands of the police who would be enforcing their preferred laws, no less)?

[Shamash]

33. Well, I didn't see any mention of the Clarence Daniels case on ACLU.org

So, I eagerly await Backscatter's angry followup post denouncing the American Civil Liberties Union for tacitly supporting unprovoked attacks on elderly black men.

[friendly_iconoclast]

40. Of course. Certain posters disappeared after inconvenient links were supplied

A lot of what passes for gun control advocacy these days consists of telling
whoppers with a straight face and hoping no one notices.

Controllers of all stripes tend to do this. Fortunately for the honest, the Internet
has a long memory...

[raven mad]

14. I have a gun. But I don't use them on people.

One shotgun to run the stupid moose out of the garden.

[kelly1mm]

17. While your OP has very good points which I agree with your use of the biggoted term 'paddy wagon'

is offensive and not necessary to convey your point. Other terms such as 'police van' would be equally (if not more) descriptive with out being bigoted.

[backscatter712]

19. In my defense, I'm part Irish. n/t

[treestar]

37. I don't think even the Irish are offended by that

They laugh at it.

[Whiskey Jim]

18. Where is the second amendment?

Certainly not in Maryland. You can't chisel the second amendment from an oak tree to a tooth pick and then question why you can't build a house from it.

[former9thward]

21. What does the 2nd amendment have to do with this case?

And no one, including the city attorney, has alleged he was "beaten to a pulp" before bring put in the wagon. Where the fuck are you getting that from? Or are you just trying to create an internet rumor?

[ellenrr]

26. posts about guns are PROHIBITED in GD. I want to see this hid

like any mention of Palestine is hidden!!

[lapfog_1]

27. I think they got stuck at the Bundy ranch - n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

29. Apart from cynical race baiting, does the OP have a point?

I'm pro-RKBA. I cheered the USSC decision that affirmed the rights of Otis McDonald. I supported the arrest the man who attacked a concealed carrier at WalMart. I condemned the killing of the man who was SWAT'ed at WalMart. I have posted articles here applauding blacks arming themselves and repelling the KKK. The RKBA forum regularly notes the racist roots of gun control. I posted about the injustice perpetrated against Shaneen Allen.

Why do imagine I would suddenly change over a simple pocket knife?

[Shamash]

32. Google can do a lot, but it cannot get Backscatter's foot out of his mouth

NRA news segment: Why should carrying a knife be illegal?

http://www.nranews.com/cam/video/cam-and-company-2015-doug-ritter-why-should-carrying-a-knife-be-illegal/list/recent-segments

The Department of Justice has opened an investigation into the death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray. The young black man was arrested while carrying a common folding knife, called a concealed deadly weapon by authorities. He died a week later from injuries allegedly received while in police custody. Doug Ritter, chairman and executive director of Knife Rights, discusses the case of Freddie Gray, and the laws that continue to view common knives as dangerous weapons. He also provides an update on progress on pro-knife laws in Maine and Oklahoma, and the need for pressure on Texas legislators. Originally aired on NRA News Cam & Co 04/24/15.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

35. Uh oh. You just outted yourself as someone who would cite the NRA. Now you can be dismissed at

convenience. Some will petition for your banning.

Mr. Grey's killing was just racially tinged bait to lure you.

[Shamash]

36. In other news

Wayne LaPierre saw the sun rise in the east this morning and commented on it. I agree with his assessment of east-rising sun.

Oh noes! Repeating NRA talking points!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

38. For the controllers it isn't about facts, it's about control.

[Shamash]

39. Oh, wait silly me

Oh, wait silly me, I forgot the unwritten rule. In America, weapons are for white people. Welcome to our post-racial nation.

Gallup, percentage of gun owners (March 3 2015):

Race
White 37 %
Non White 32 %
Black 33 %

[Dr. Strange]

41. Wayne LaPierre is involved with the National RIFLE Association.

The group (or A group--hell, there's probably dozens) you want is Knife Rights. (Yes, this is an actual thing.)

And they have this to say regarding Freddie Grey:
Freddie Gray Falsely Arrested on Illegal Knife Charge

(That's right--kniferights.org--again, an actual thing.)