Are these two punks, or thugs?

[Archae]

Sometimes these asshole gang-bangers earn the epithets.

Two teenagers, burn down an apartment building in a "gang retaliation" incident.

70 people have lost everything or nearly everything due to these two.

Prosecutor: Green Bay apartment arson was gang retaliation

Two suspects in a Green Bay apartment building fire are being held on $100,000 bail.

A prosecutor claims gang retaliation was the motive for setting the fire.

Monday night’s fire at 1011 North Danz Avenue left 70 people without a home and caused almost $700,000 in damage to the building, which has been condemned.

Jesse Jones, 18, and Jordan Gardner, 17, were in court Friday afternoon on charges of arson and recklessly endangering safety. They’re also both charged with burglary for an unrelated incident.

http://wbay.com/2015/04/30/two-arrested-for-green-bay-apartment-fire/

http://wbay.com/2015/05/01/fire-victims-react-to-arson-arrests/

[bravenak]

1. Is the point to find some black people that you are allowed to call thugs?

If so, that's sad.

[Archae]

3. No. But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. -Groucho Marx

And these two assholes deserve as much time in jail as they get.

There is no excuse whatsoever for what they did.

[bravenak]

6. Ok. Call them whatever you need to call them.

Whatever floats your boat.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Bingo

[seveneyes]

2. Lifetime penal colony residents sounds about right

Wanton disregard for innocent lives is inexcusable.

[Butterbean]

4. Neither. They're criminals and arsonists. n/t

[DJ13]

5. Pugs? Thunks?

Assholes fits as well.

[ScreamingMeemie]

7. Seeing as they've both been charged, I would call them "accused." nt

[cyberswede]

8. Arsonists (allegedly). nt

[MADem]

9. I believe the term is "arsonists?"

There might be an "attempted murder" charge or ten in that story, too, depending.

[GeorgeGist]

10. Sounds like arson to me.

[Marrah_G]

11. They are assholes and assholes come in all different colors and genders

[NaturalHigh]

13. If they committed this crime, both.

Life without parole is a fitting punishment.

[treestar]

14. It depends

If they are black, they are not thugs.

"Punk" may soon be declared the new "thug."

You must type out "criminals." Until that is declared race based.

[madokie]

15. possibly soon to be convicts

is good enough for me.

[Vattel]

16. They earn the harshest of epithets, but one shouldn't use racist epithets to describe them.

Just call them "scum" or something like that if you want something that expresses your complete disgust with them as human beings.

Note: I have used "thug" myself very recently to describe violent black criminals, but just yesterday became convinced that it has become a racially-loaded term.

[Archae]

17. Funny thing, in the days of Al Capone and such...

A "thug" looked like this, in the popular news media of the day, mostly newspapers.



(Philadelphia gangster)

http://www.easternstate.org/explore/tour-guide-chronicles/organized-crime-eastern-state

Nowadays a white thug looks most of the time like this, or has lots of facial tattoos he got in prison.



It's not racial.
It's thoughts and deeds.

The guy who beat me up 30 years ago, raped a 13-year old boy and tried to grab a 9-year old girl in a park, all here in Sheboygan is white.

[B2G]

18. Jury results

On Sat May 2, 2015, 10:51 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Are these two punks, or thugs?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026605455

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Look folks, we've gone over this the last couple days. "Thug" is a racist dog whistle. It's not okay to post this crap here. They are arsonists. End. Of.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat May 2, 2015, 11:01 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I believe I predicted this a few days ago. Will be watching the results intently. If words start resulting in hides and banning, I'll be gone. I already have a Mommy.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I must be missing something. "Thug" is a criminal, regardless of race? When I hear thug, I think of the mob or gangsters from the 30s. The term is colorblind.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Archae]

19. This is why there still is a "criminal class."

It doesn't matter what racial group they are from.

Here in Sheboygan, the biggest criminal gangs are not white. Not black. Not Hispanic.
They are Asian, most often Hmong.

But we still call a 16-year old gangbanger a "child."
"Her baby."
Etc...

The people in Baltimore who looted and burned that CVS are not "protestors."
They are rioters.