So when Sanders wins the primary will Clinton run as an Independent?

[bluesbassman]

Will she be siphoning votes from Sanders in the general?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

FWIW I will vote for the Democratic nominee in the general.

[daleanime]

1. Play nice.....

lots of work ahead.

[Agschmid]

2. Oh snap.

[truedelphi]

3. HEe hee.n /t

[Scootaloo]

4. No, she won't

But, if history repeats, we're going to see a lot of her "supporters" bolt for the Republicans after the primaries.

[bluesbassman]

5. Well that would be a shame Scoot.

I'm counting on that enough of us will support the Democratic primary winner in the general that those who would choose to pout won't really matter.

[Scootaloo]

7. Well, that was the result in '08

Turns out that volume and quantity are different measurements

[bluesbassman]

8. Yeah and when that volume goes to eleven...

[sufrommich]

9. That's a lie. The vast,vast majority of Clinton primary voters

voted for Obama in the General election. It's a ridiculous statement to make and it's insulting as hell.

[charlyvi]

13. Very True n/t

[okaawhatever]

15. Thank you. If proof were required around here for provable statements some of the posters

would have 12 posts.

[Scootaloo]

16. No, it's not a lie.

A lot of Clinton supporters DID go to the Republicans.

This doesn't make you wrong - the vast majority did not.

But quite a number did. Sorta like all the democrats for Bush back in 2000. They were really a thing, and in that case, they really did have an impact.

[sufrommich]

21. No, "quite a number" did no such thing. They had no impact

and anyone who still tries to paint Hillary voters as somehow disloyal as democrats is playing an ignorant,divisive game.There's a reason Rush Limbaugh promoted them daily on his show.

[Scootaloo]

22. I didn't say they had an impact, I said they existed

See post #7 - they were a futile movement.

And I'm actually certain they still exist, and some number are posting here. Probably the ones who get exceptionally angry and defensive when it's pointed out that they existed.

I guess we'll see how it goes after the primaries, huh?

[sufrommich]

23. Wow. OK.

That's a new low.

[Scootaloo]

24. Sorry. History is a thing. You don't get to erase it because it makes you uncomfortable.

[boston bean]

40. If I've seen any PUMA talk around here it's from those who

would can't stand Clinton.

Hell, their posts come right out and say they will never vote for her under any circumstance... So......

[LondonReign2]

37. While you are correct that it wasn't "a lot", it was a definitely a phenomena

See here http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/hillary-clintons-2008-dead-enders-fight-on#.mrYwogl3x and Google any other number of stories about the PUMAs

[sufrommich]

39. See post # 38. nt

[workinclasszero]

25. That's all Bernies supporters can do

Throw out insults against Hillary then take their ball home and sit out the election so the teahaddists can win.

But they will feel good about themselves so it's all good.

[Motown_Johnny]

27. Sounds like the PUMAs in '08 to me

Not Sander's supporters

[BrotherIvan]

30. lol

[AtomicKitten]

35. During the primaries, HALF said they would not vote for Obama.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/

I'll get your stats on the general later because I'm going to bed. In brief, Scoot's not lying.

[sufrommich]

38. That's one exit poll from Indiana done before the

general election. Here's a much more honest assessment of how primary voters voted in the general:


http://sites.duke.edu/hillygus/files/2014/06/hendersonhillygustompsonPOQ.pdf


Not only did Clinton primary voters vote overwhelmingly for Obama in the general election,but they were more likely to vote for Obama than those who voted for John Edwards in the primary.

[DCBob]

6. Did she run as an independent when Obama won in 2008?

[bluesbassman]

10. Has Sanders said he will run as an Independent in '16?

The fact is he has said he will not run as a spoiler. I believe he is a man of his word and will not. This OP was a little humor directed at the idea that Sanders is a spoiler, even though we haven't even got to the primary yet.

[DCBob]

11. I trust Hillary on this more than Sanders.

Its possible the Sandernistas may convice him to run third party to "send a message" to the corporatist Democratic party.

[bluesbassman]

18. So you really believe that a person of Sanders charachter and voting record would act as a spoiler?

I wouldn't take that bet myself.

[Agschmid]

19. Me either.

[DCBob]

20. Im sure his supporters would love it..

but would he actually do it.. I dont know.

[HappyMe]

12. Siphons for everyone!

Those cool 40s ones that are in old movies.

[Maedhros]

14. Nah, Clinton supporters are nothing if not partisan warriors.

She wouldn't pull a Lieberman.

[okaawhatever]

17. If Bernie wins the primary not only will I vote for him, I'll campaign and raise money for him.

However if there were a huge crisis after he won the primary (I'm sure the GOP is saving whatever they have on him in case he wins the primary) and it is impossible for him to win, then I do hope Hillary will run as an independent (or any other Dem who can win)

Bernie isn't that liberal. The National Journal has him ranked as the 31st most liberal Senator in 2012 and the 37th in 2013. I'm not afraid of his being "too left" I'm afraid of his not being able to win the general.

[upaloopa]

26. nt

[jwirr]

28. I support Bernie but I do not think Hillary would do that. I think she has more intergrity than that

[DonCoquixote]

29. no, but

I predict some here will call for it, and not get punished, and that some big donors offer her to.

[AtomicKitten]

31. There was actually someone here who

.... flat out said if Hillary lost the primary she would run on the No Labels ticket, saying that that group had been set up to hedge her bets. They were tombstoned shortly thereafter and their posts deleted. There was just a teensy bit of truth to it which made it seem a possibility.

[Sunlei]

32. doubt he would win the primary, but theres a chance if enough vote for him in the primary. Rs can

and some will vote in the primary as well, just like the Clinton/Obama primary.

Sen. Sanders is a great and good person, a good Senator but he is not an Obama. If he won the primary, I have no doubt Mrs. Clinton would support him, just like she supported Obama.

[AtomicKitten]

33. Really?

If he won the primary, I have no doubt Mrs. Clinton would support him, just like she supported Obama.

I have doubts she would even concede, just like she did with Obama.

[Sunlei]

34. would you have conceded?, it was very close. She even won the popular vote.

I don't think Four days to concede is any big deal to hold against her. I have no doubt Mrs. Clinton would support the D. party primary winner, if its not her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008

[AtomicKitten]

36. Yes I would. It was numerically impossible for her to win.

In March. She made a jackass out of herself twisting delegate arms and insisting disqualified votes be counted. She did not win the popular vote. The only possible way to get there is to count disqualified votes in Michigan where Obama wasn't on the ballot and by not counting four caucus states where Obama won big but they don't quantify the popular vote. Any person with a sense of fair play and good sportsmanship gets that, which really is my point. Her poor sportsmanship is considered normal by her supporters.

G'night.