Question re: Freddie Gray

[XemaSab]

He appeared to be injured when they put him in the van, but the charges against the officers seem to imply that the bulk of his injuries took place while in the van.

Am I missing something?

[Downwinder]

1. Perhaps we will find out in time.

There are other questions.

[Lindsay]

2. Just my guess,

but I'm thinking that there is evidence that ties the injuries to the van ride. While he may or may not have been injured before that (I thought, too, that he appeared to be injured when being taken to the van), the evidence of that may not be as convincing as the evidence for the "wild ride." And they do need to be able to prove their case.

[pkdu]

3. Two things..

1. We learned of a previously unreported sending stop,recorded on private video. The driver , he who is now charged with murder , left that stop off his report.
2. Gray was reportedly " given a run for his money"...... Ie a " nickel ride" without seatbelt.

Whatever damage was done before being put in the van , was gravely exacerbated by the above.

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. He appeared injured to me as well, but I think they focused on inside the van for a reason.

Many a cuffed person drags feet or turns into jelly in order to make transport next to impossible (which is probably what I would do). Pretty sure the DA felt that a defense attorney could explain that away and decided to focus on injuries sustained on the ride.

The tilt of his head in the video looked very odd to me.

[XemaSab]

11. But he was also screaming in pain

[ScreamingMeemie]

12. Yes he was. And I'm sure the jerkfaced cops thought he was faking it.

It makes me sick to watch that video.

[okaawhatever]

6. There was an injury on his head that matched a bolt in the back of the van. I'm guessing

that the evidence was enough to tie the fatal injury to the back of the van.

[gd770226]

7. My theory

Ok, here is my theory on how he got his injuries.

Gray runs from the cops. When the cops catch up to him, they tackle him very hard. In this tackle he very possibly broke and/or cracked his vertebrae, but not the point where it has severed nerves and caused very visible damage. He asks for medical attention and is seen in visible pain on the video. But at this point he can still use his legs a little bit. While the video shows him screaming and mostly not using his legs I don't think he is paralyzed or anything at this point. So the cops figure he isn't hurt that bad.

So they throw him in the van and go. At this point he probably is in more pain from the tackle and does use his legs to bang against the walls, hoping to maybe get the cops to llsten to him. But the cops stop and still instead of seeking medical attention, they shackle his legs. This puts him in a worse position.

So they start up their drive again and probably give him a bit of a rough ride. I don't think the driver intended to actually kill him, but certainly wanted to make the ride very very uncomfortable. However, because he probably did get hurt in the arrest the rough card ride and his inability to use his arms and legs to brace himself now causes his injuries to get worse.

So this is why I think the cops in the van got the more serious charges. They ignored his repeated requests for medical attention and gave him the rough ride which exacerbated the original injury.

It will be interesting to see how the cops try to defend themselves. You will probably have the cops that arrested him saying that he was fine when he went into the van, and the drivers of the van saying he was already injured before.

I also read somewhere that weak bones is a symptom and result of lead poisoning, so I wonder if that will play into the defense and if they claim that he had weak bones and that it was all just an accident because of that.

[No Vested Interest]

8. I have heard references to a broken leg, in addition to the

injuries to his spinal cord and other injuries.
Perhaps that accounts, at least partially, for the appearance of not putting full weight on his legs when he was being dragged to the police van.

[libdem4life]

13. It was clear one leg was not functioning. The type of "hold" they had on him is either illegal or

not in use in civilized police areas. I believe his back wa broken in 3 places...don't quote me...so much info. But the hold they had on the ground could have easily snapped his back. You're on your face, and they try to get their knees and your feet in your back? WTF In the first photo, you cannot see his lower legs...look again.

What the police said with their double speak is that he was not Fatally injured on the street. Clever, huh?

[H2O Man]

9. Valid question.

In my opinion, the injuries he sustained before being placed in the vehicle prevented him from being able to protect himself on the purposefully-rough ride.

[Iggo]

10. Who did it?

[libdem4life]

14. All of them. False arrest, false imprisonment, lack of medical help after appeal, laid up on the

seat, fully shackled to bounce and roll around for blocks and blocks...for what purpose other then the cute little meme...Nickel Ride or Rough Ride...with nothing to protect him. They had no police business until they arrived a block or so from the station for the second prisoner. Over nearly an hour, looked at FIVE different times.

I'm glad she threw the book at them. That is the only thing unusual about this case. That and that it was caught on cell phone camera...later on surveillance cameras...and they still look us in the national face and say the Officers did nothing wrong. That takes cojones...or irrational fear, one or both.

[Iggo]

15. And that's kinda my point. The cops murdered that man.

Before the van. In the van. After the van.

They murdered that man.

They started murdering him before the van. They continued murdering him in the van. And after the van, he died of the injuries he incurred before and during. He was un-murdered before the cops got hold of him and by the time they were done with him he was fully murdered.

The cops murdered that man.
The cops murdered that man.
THE.COPS.MURDERED.THAT.MAN.

[libdem4life]

16. So true. And it took a real national outrage, via cell phone and internet, to start the real

conversation. There had been others lately on cell phone/surveillance video, but maybe it was the sheer "Heart Depravity" to drive all over town,be observed by multiple "Peace Officers", pick up another "collar" and then to the station. The others got off with "adrenaline pumping" or some sort of testosterone defense. Baltimore? Depravity. Indeed.

I predict we will see much more of this, old cases will be reopened, open cases will be looked at differently.

[cwydro]

17. Yes.

They did.