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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn Defense of Hillary Clinton, Democrats Embrace ‘Citizens United’
David Sirota
5/1/15
...When the ruling was handed down, Democrats were outraged, and Hillary Clinton herself has recently suggested she wants it overturned. Yet with revelations that firms with business before Clinton's State Department donated to her foundation and paid her husband, Clinton's campaign and rank-and-file Democratic activists are suddenly championing the Citizens United theory.
In campaign statements and talking pointsand in activists' tweets and Facebook commentsthe party seems to be collectively saying that without evidence of any explicit quid pro quo, all the Clinton cash is acceptable. Moreover, the inference seems to be that the revelations aren't even newsworthy because, in the words of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, theres nothing new here.
To advocates for limiting the influence of money in politics, this pushback from Democrats is particularly rich (pun intended) coming from a party that spent a decade asserting that Republicans raking in cash from Big Oil and pushing oil-friendly policies was rank corruption. The Democratic defense of their presumptive presidential nominee registers as especially disturbing to campaign finance reform advocates considering the mighty efficiency of the Clinton fundraising machine.
Consider a few undisputed facts that we surfaced in our reporting at the International Business Times:
While Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, Bill Clinton was paid $2.5 million by 13 corporations that lobbied the State Department. Ten of the firms paid him in the same three-month reporting period that they were lobbying Hillary Clinton's agency. Several of them received State Department contracts, worth a total of almost $40 million.
Hillary Clinton switched her position to back a controversial U.S.-Colombia free trade agreement as millions of dollars flowed into her foundation from an oil company operating in Colombia, and that companys founder. Amid reports of violence against Colombian unionists, she also certified Colombia's human rights record, thereby releasing U.S. aid to the Colombian military....
http://inthesetimes.com/article/17895/hillary_clinton_citizens_united
regarding the OP author, who is a progressive not a RWr~
David Sirota, who graduated from Northwestern Universitys Medill School of Journalism in 1998, is at the center of the national debate about the future of the Democratic Party. As a political strategist, Sirota has helped populist Democrats win elections in some of the most conservative parts of America. As a writer, he has worked to expose how our government has been corrupted by Big Money.
Sirota has served as the press secretary for Independent Rep. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, as the spokesman for the U.S. House Appropriations Committee Democrats, and as a fellow at the Center for American Progress. He most recently served as a senior strategist helping Brian Schweitzer become Montanas first Democratic governor in sixteen years.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Use it to destroy citizens united. Being forced to play by the shitty rules isn't an "embrace".
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)in fact, she had promised they wouldn't. But they did. And it paid off for all those involved. Just not US.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)That is what the rightwing is pushing and it has been thoroughly debunked. Even the author admits having no evidence: http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/04/30/twenty-plus-errors-fabrications-and-distortions/203480
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)That's how they're trying to spin this, as simply another RW smear.
It isn't.
emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)Rachel Maddow says it is a smear.
Just one link out of many:
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/04/26/clinton-cash-crushed-facts-author-admits-evidence-clinton-crimes.html
But keep on promoting it if you wish.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)you, I am using you to make a point
I refuse to communicate with them
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Most of this book has been disproven.
I'm supporting Bernie, because I believe in him.
And I won't do it by tearing down someone else's candidate.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)And it pisses me off its a "Democrat" who's done it. But its true & if we want our party to be honorable & better than rethugs, we need to face it and deal with it, and move on.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Even if it is a rwsmear.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)Have no idea why you are pinning your hopes on right wing smears and Swiftboating.
As to Dems "embracing" citizens United, that's a ridiculous meme. Nobody is embracing it. But Dems aren't gonna just surrender to the Kochs and Adelsons.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Apparently we're supposed to go down fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Do you have some links to that assertion?
I don't doubt that's it's in the heads and minds of the campaign as a way to project guilt away from their behaviors.
It's not that hard to imagine:
Clinton while on a 9-day luxury safari with billionaire donors this week: "Oh damn, we just HAVE to take this blood money if we're ever going to change things!"
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)In order to dismantle war machine. And I gave a link above.
Marr
(20,317 posts)If that were the case, I would consider his talk about checking military spending to be complete bullshit. But it isn't the case.
If a candidate is primarily funded by a certain interest group, it's pretty reasonable to assume they aren't going to be working against that group.
It's not like Corporate America is just reacting, tossing money at a Hillary Clinton campaign that just materialized from nowhere, and hoping she'll remember how nice they were when she's president. They fund the people they expect to push their interests. She's had plenty of personal, private dialogue with these groups over the years. They know exactly what they're paying for.
cali
(114,904 posts)Hillary Clinton has called for a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United. But, ironically, her defenders are effectively using a Citizens United defenseif theres no quid pro quo, theres no problem. Access and influence are not corrupting. In effect, the troubling morality of Citizens United has become the official morality of Clintons defenders.
long article here:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/03/the-clintons-snuff-box-problem.html
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)what does that have to do with what I posted. I have never been a Greenwald admirer- in fact, I've been harshly critical of him. He irritates the everloving hell out of me.
now try to actually address something or be thought of as not being educated enough to do so.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Gothmog
(145,152 posts)You can not compete in today's environment without a super pac.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Gothmog
(145,152 posts)The Clinton Foundation has done some great work in Haiti and other parts of the world. Do you object to helping people?
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)To get a favor back in return, maybe? duh. Its called soft corruption. And its what Zephyr is talking about here. The appearance of impropriety is often a sign there is impropriety. Legal bribe. It looks bad because it is bad.
And that was paid to Bill, not the foundation.
Gothmog
(145,152 posts)The Foundation does charitable work which is important. Bill Clinton has been successful in raising a great deal of money for charity and you think that this is a bad thing
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)happen for them shortly after, and the only reason they gave money was to help the world through charity.
Gullible anyone?
Gothmog
(145,152 posts)That book was a flop in making these charges because it could not establish even one action undertaken by Sec. Clinton due to a donation to a charity. Do you have facts backing up this claim? The righties would love some facts to back up these silly claims
kentuck
(111,082 posts)The truth will kick your ass...
emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)kentuck
(111,082 posts)Every one of them has run the story at one time or other.
emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)kentuck
(111,082 posts)That is a problem.
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)speculation. If there is any proof of "pay to play", let's see it.
cali
(114,904 posts)Zephyr Teachout, who wrote this, has impeccable Dem credentials. This is no rightwinger talking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zephyr_Teachout
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Over the past several years, Bill Clinton has been given millions of dollars for foreign and domestic speeches, with the greatest number of sponsors coming from the financial industry. At the same time, he solicited and received millions of dollars from foreign and domestic interests, including. Many of the donors and sponsors had interests that were affected by State Department policies, and all of the donors, past and current, have interests that would be affected by a Hillary Clinton presidency.
Hillary Clinton has not addressed the issue publicly, but some of her defenders have argued that without a smoking gun, or evidence of quid pro quo, theres nothing to be concerned about.
As the framers knew, we dont need that in order to be concerned.
Its not surprising that the Clintons do not want to answer questions about foreign donations. So far, they have not addressed questions about the apparent conflict of interest, leaving the Clinton Foundation to respond. (They had company: Thomas Jefferson was so annoyed by the Emoluments Clause that he hid his own later gift from the King of France, a diamond-encrusted portrait; he had his aide take out the diamonds and sell them to pay down his debt. He was not, he wrote, going to humiliate himself by going before the gridiron of Congress.) But as citizens we must ask these questions. Some Democrats want to ignore the issue, but love of party, as well as love of country, requires us to demand more.
I am a Democrat. I will vote Democratic in the general election. But I refuse to allow my party to be silent in the face of serious accusations of conflict of interest. There are two reasons for this. I expect that the GOP candidate will use this in 2016 to make explicit that Bill Clintons $500,000 went into his personal account, the one he shares with Hillary Clinton. Silence now doesnt change the structure of the argument.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/03/the-clintons-snuff-box-problem.html
jeepers
(314 posts)a whole lot of democrats counting on citizens united money to win the next election.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)I don't read him. I do read Doyle McManus and Zephyr Teachout and John Cassidy and Charlie Pierce though.
FarPoint
(12,351 posts)We can't change it now and must fight with tools at hand. The GOP put it in play and currently " own" the tool. We have to fight with using Citizens United.