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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:28 AM May 2015

In Defense of Hillary Clinton, Democrats Embrace ‘Citizens United’

In Defense of Hillary Clinton, Democrats Embrace ‘Citizens United’
David Sirota
5/1/15

...When the ruling was handed down, Democrats were outraged, and Hillary Clinton herself has recently suggested she wants it overturned. Yet with revelations that firms with business before Clinton's State Department donated to her foundation and paid her husband, Clinton's campaign and rank-and-file Democratic activists are suddenly championing the Citizens United theory.

In campaign statements and talking points—and in activists' tweets and Facebook comments—the party seems to be collectively saying that without evidence of any explicit quid pro quo, all the Clinton cash is acceptable. Moreover, the inference seems to be that the revelations aren't even newsworthy because, in the words of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, “there’s nothing new” here.

To advocates for limiting the influence of money in politics, this pushback from Democrats is particularly rich (pun intended) coming from a party that spent a decade asserting that Republicans raking in cash from Big Oil and pushing oil-friendly policies was rank corruption. The Democratic defense of their presumptive presidential nominee registers as especially disturbing to campaign finance reform advocates considering the mighty efficiency of the Clinton fundraising machine.

Consider a few undisputed facts that we surfaced in our reporting at the International Business Times:

— While Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, Bill Clinton was paid $2.5 million by 13 corporations that lobbied the State Department. Ten of the firms paid him in the same three-month reporting period that they were lobbying Hillary Clinton's agency. Several of them received State Department contracts, worth a total of almost $40 million.

— Hillary Clinton switched her position to back a controversial U.S.-Colombia free trade agreement as millions of dollars flowed into her foundation from an oil company operating in Colombia, and that company’s founder. Amid reports of violence against Colombian unionists, she also certified Colombia's human rights record, thereby releasing U.S. aid to the Colombian military....

http://inthesetimes.com/article/17895/hillary_clinton_citizens_united


regarding the OP author, who is a progressive not a RWr~
David Sirota, an In These Times senior editor and syndicated columnist, is a staff writer at PandoDaily and a bestselling author whose book Back to Our Future: How the 1980s Explain the World We Live In Now—Our Culture, Our Politics, Our Everything was released in 2011. Sirota, whose previous books include The Uprising and Hostile Takeover, co-hosts “The Rundown” on AM630 KHOW in Colorado. E-mail him at ds@davidsirota.com, follow him on Twitter @davidsirota or visit his website at http://www.davidsirota.com.

David Sirota, who graduated from Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism in 1998, is at the center of the national debate about the future of the Democratic Party. As a political strategist, Sirota has helped populist Democrats win elections in some of the most conservative parts of America. As a writer, he has worked to expose how our government has been corrupted by Big Money.

Sirota has served as the press secretary for Independent Rep. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, as the spokesman for the U.S. House Appropriations Committee Democrats, and as a fellow at the Center for American Progress. He most recently served as a senior strategist helping Brian Schweitzer become Montana’s first Democratic governor in sixteen years.
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In Defense of Hillary Clinton, Democrats Embrace ‘Citizens United’ (Original Post) RiverLover May 2015 OP
I don't know any Democrat "embracing" citizens united other than to.... JaneyVee May 2015 #1
No one forced the Clintons to take money from foreign corporations while HRC was SoS, RiverLover May 2015 #3
Except there is zero evidence of it "paying off". JaneyVee May 2015 #7
Media Matter is John Podesta is Hillary Clinton team. RiverLover May 2015 #9
Other fact checking groups also says it is a smear emulatorloo May 2015 #15
Why is DU allowing rightwing smear campaigns against our party? I am not asking NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #27
It is a smear. Agschmid May 2015 #20
You do understand that Clinton Cash is a smear against the Clintons? hrmjustin May 2015 #24
Its a "smear' if its not true. But this is true. And Democrats are admitting it is a big problem. RiverLover May 2015 #26
Lol so you buy anything negative about the clintons. hrmjustin May 2015 #28
Where are the admins or mods? Why is this GARBAGE allowed here? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #29
The hosts can't act on this. hrmjustin May 2015 #31
Yeah according to "Clinton Cash," which has already been discredited emulatorloo May 2015 #11
This. Agschmid May 2015 #21
This. It's a ridiculous argument. sufrommich May 2015 #5
Wait, "use it to destroy it"? "Forced to play"? OMG that's funny. NYC_SKP May 2015 #14
Yup, kinda like how Bernie is running for commander in chief... JaneyVee May 2015 #17
That would be comparable if Sanders' big backer was the MIC. Marr May 2015 #41
Zephyr Teachout knocks that claim into the dust today cali May 2015 #30
I love Zephyr Teachout, thanks for this. NYC_SKP May 2015 #33
sure. credit river for finding it. she posted the article this morning. cali May 2015 #39
Greenwald defends CU! JaneyVee May 2015 #37
that' so lame, I can't do anything but pity you cali May 2015 #42
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP May 2015 #2
President Obama used super pacs also Gothmog May 2015 #4
This is the purchase of influence through the Clinton Foundation. Not a Super Pac. /nt RiverLover May 2015 #8
The Clinton Foundation is not spending a dime on a political race Gothmog May 2015 #10
Why would a company spend a half a million dollars for an hour long speech? RiverLover May 2015 #13
The Clinton Foundation is not a super pac Gothmog May 2015 #16
These foreign govts & companies give money to the foundation & just happen to have something good RiverLover May 2015 #19
This is the premise of the Clinton Cash book pushed by the right wing Gothmog May 2015 #25
You can run but you can't hide... kentuck May 2015 #6
I'd like to kick the asses of the rightwing smear-artists behind "Clinton Cash" emulatorloo May 2015 #12
M$M... kentuck May 2015 #18
And a fair amount of MSM fact checked it and said is pretty fact free. emulatorloo May 2015 #22
But still reported it... kentuck May 2015 #32
Has anyone found any evidence of wrongdoing? I have heard nothing but accusations and Arkansas Granny May 2015 #23
aargh. that so misses the point. cali May 2015 #35
Seems to be jeepers May 2015 #38
The quasi-libertarians and emoprogs have always loved and defended CU, fwiw Blue_Tires May 2015 #34
IF ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR GREENWALD! JaneyVee May 2015 #36
sorry, this ain't about Greenwald. cali May 2015 #40
Citizens United is in play.... FarPoint May 2015 #43
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
1. I don't know any Democrat "embracing" citizens united other than to....
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:31 AM
May 2015

Use it to destroy citizens united. Being forced to play by the shitty rules isn't an "embrace".

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
3. No one forced the Clintons to take money from foreign corporations while HRC was SoS,
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:34 AM
May 2015

in fact, she had promised they wouldn't. But they did. And it paid off for all those involved. Just not US.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
7. Except there is zero evidence of it "paying off".
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:43 AM
May 2015

That is what the rightwing is pushing and it has been thoroughly debunked. Even the author admits having no evidence: http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/04/30/twenty-plus-errors-fabrications-and-distortions/203480

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
9. Media Matter is John Podesta is Hillary Clinton team.
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:44 AM
May 2015

That's how they're trying to spin this, as simply another RW smear.

It isn't.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
27. Why is DU allowing rightwing smear campaigns against our party? I am not asking
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:13 PM
May 2015

you, I am using you to make a point

I refuse to communicate with them

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
20. It is a smear.
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:01 PM
May 2015

Most of this book has been disproven.

I'm supporting Bernie, because I believe in him.

And I won't do it by tearing down someone else's candidate.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
26. Its a "smear' if its not true. But this is true. And Democrats are admitting it is a big problem.
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:12 PM
May 2015

And it pisses me off its a "Democrat" who's done it. But its true & if we want our party to be honorable & better than rethugs, we need to face it and deal with it, and move on.

emulatorloo

(44,118 posts)
11. Yeah according to "Clinton Cash," which has already been discredited
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:47 AM
May 2015

Have no idea why you are pinning your hopes on right wing smears and Swiftboating.

As to Dems "embracing" citizens United, that's a ridiculous meme. Nobody is embracing it. But Dems aren't gonna just surrender to the Kochs and Adelsons.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
5. This. It's a ridiculous argument.
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:40 AM
May 2015

Apparently we're supposed to go down fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
14. Wait, "use it to destroy it"? "Forced to play"? OMG that's funny.
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:51 AM
May 2015

Do you have some links to that assertion?

I don't doubt that's it's in the heads and minds of the campaign as a way to project guilt away from their behaviors.

It's not that hard to imagine:

Clinton while on a 9-day luxury safari with billionaire donors this week: "Oh damn, we just HAVE to take this blood money if we're ever going to change things!"

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
17. Yup, kinda like how Bernie is running for commander in chief...
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:57 AM
May 2015

In order to dismantle war machine. And I gave a link above.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
41. That would be comparable if Sanders' big backer was the MIC.
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:35 PM
May 2015

If that were the case, I would consider his talk about checking military spending to be complete bullshit. But it isn't the case.

If a candidate is primarily funded by a certain interest group, it's pretty reasonable to assume they aren't going to be working against that group.

It's not like Corporate America is just reacting, tossing money at a Hillary Clinton campaign that just materialized from nowhere, and hoping she'll remember how nice they were when she's president. They fund the people they expect to push their interests. She's had plenty of personal, private dialogue with these groups over the years. They know exactly what they're paying for.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
30. Zephyr Teachout knocks that claim into the dust today
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:16 PM
May 2015

Hillary Clinton has called for a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United. But, ironically, her defenders are effectively using a Citizens United defense—if there’s no quid pro quo, there’s no problem. Access and influence are not corrupting. In effect, the troubling morality of Citizens United has become the official morality of Clinton’s defenders.

long article here:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/03/the-clintons-snuff-box-problem.html

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
42. that' so lame, I can't do anything but pity you
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:35 PM
May 2015

what does that have to do with what I posted. I have never been a Greenwald admirer- in fact, I've been harshly critical of him. He irritates the everloving hell out of me.

now try to actually address something or be thought of as not being educated enough to do so.

Gothmog

(145,152 posts)
10. The Clinton Foundation is not spending a dime on a political race
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:45 AM
May 2015

The Clinton Foundation has done some great work in Haiti and other parts of the world. Do you object to helping people?

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
13. Why would a company spend a half a million dollars for an hour long speech?
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:50 AM
May 2015

To get a favor back in return, maybe? duh. Its called soft corruption. And its what Zephyr is talking about here. The appearance of impropriety is often a sign there is impropriety. Legal bribe. It looks bad because it is bad.

And that was paid to Bill, not the foundation.

Gothmog

(145,152 posts)
16. The Clinton Foundation is not a super pac
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:56 AM
May 2015

The Foundation does charitable work which is important. Bill Clinton has been successful in raising a great deal of money for charity and you think that this is a bad thing

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
19. These foreign govts & companies give money to the foundation & just happen to have something good
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:00 PM
May 2015

happen for them shortly after, and the only reason they gave money was to help the world through charity.

Gullible anyone?

Gothmog

(145,152 posts)
25. This is the premise of the Clinton Cash book pushed by the right wing
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:06 PM
May 2015

That book was a flop in making these charges because it could not establish even one action undertaken by Sec. Clinton due to a donation to a charity. Do you have facts backing up this claim? The righties would love some facts to back up these silly claims

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
23. Has anyone found any evidence of wrongdoing? I have heard nothing but accusations and
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:04 PM
May 2015

speculation. If there is any proof of "pay to play", let's see it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
35. aargh. that so misses the point.
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:21 PM
May 2015

Zephyr Teachout, who wrote this, has impeccable Dem credentials. This is no rightwinger talking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zephyr_Teachout

<snip>

Over the past several years, Bill Clinton has been given millions of dollars for foreign and domestic speeches, with the greatest number of sponsors coming from the financial industry. At the same time, he solicited and received millions of dollars from foreign and domestic interests, including. Many of the donors and sponsors had interests that were affected by State Department policies, and all of the donors, past and current, have interests that would be affected by a Hillary Clinton presidency.

Hillary Clinton has not addressed the issue publicly, but some of her defenders have argued that without a smoking gun, or evidence of quid pro quo, there’s nothing to be concerned about.

As the framers knew, we don’t need that in order to be concerned.

It’s not surprising that the Clintons do not want to answer questions about foreign donations. So far, they have not addressed questions about the apparent conflict of interest, leaving the Clinton Foundation to respond. (They had company: Thomas Jefferson was so annoyed by the Emoluments Clause that he hid his own later gift from the King of France, a diamond-encrusted portrait; he had his aide take out the diamonds and sell them to pay down his debt. He was not, he wrote, going to humiliate himself by going before “the gridiron of Congress.”) But as citizens we must ask these questions. Some Democrats want to ignore the issue, but love of party, as well as love of country, requires us to demand more.

I am a Democrat. I will vote Democratic in the general election. But I refuse to allow my party to be silent in the face of serious accusations of conflict of interest. There are two reasons for this. I expect that the GOP candidate will use this in 2016 to make explicit that Bill Clinton’s $500,000 went into his personal account, the one he shares with Hillary Clinton. Silence now doesn’t change the structure of the argument.

<snip>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/03/the-clintons-snuff-box-problem.html

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
40. sorry, this ain't about Greenwald.
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:30 PM
May 2015

I don't read him. I do read Doyle McManus and Zephyr Teachout and John Cassidy and Charlie Pierce though.

FarPoint

(12,351 posts)
43. Citizens United is in play....
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:44 PM
May 2015

We can't change it now and must fight with tools at hand. The GOP put it in play and currently " own" the tool. We have to fight with using Citizens United.

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