You know who has the most to lose if Bernie is elected?

[Jackpine Radical]

The MIC (Mercenary-Industrial Complex) and intelligence Establishment come to mind.

And those are scary dudes.

[randys1]

1. If you mean the MIC, military, remember that Bernie voted for weapons systems that

arguably we dont need

Now, why he did that is because of jobs in his state, and until we provide other jobs I can see why he did it.

I know he wants to change all that

[yeoman6987]

3. All depends on the Congress. Senator Sanders will need a lot of help.

Republicans will treat Senator Sanders like they did President Obama with blocking everything.

[jwirr]

14. That is something we all need to remember with either candidate. They are going to need a lot of

help - like taking back the Senate and doing as well in the House as we can.

[arcane1]

27. Exactly. We can't lose sight of the importance of congressional races. And LOCAL ONES!

Definitely the local ones!

[Major Hogwash]

32. Does Bernie have long coattails?

Can he drag many new Democrats in to Congress by running for President?

[Jackpine Radical]

4. No, I put my own twist on "MIC".

"Military" is assumed; however, mercenaries are getting an ever-increasing share of the pie, and have the ethics of a pit of vipers.

[staggerleem]

20. If you're talking about the F-35 ...

... NOBODY votes against that, because of Boeing's brilliant manufacturing strategery - there's at least one company in EACH AND EVERY congressional district involved in the manufacture of parts for the F-35. If anybody votes against it, he's voting down jobs in HIS OWN district or state. That kinda hurts one's re-election chances, y'know?

[treestar]

2. Why?

A President cannot disband the intelligence agencies unilaterally.

He could veto military spending but we might then have government shut downs. Congress will be far more conservative than Bernie.

[Jackpine Radical]

6. You gotta be kidding.

Are those the only ways a President can fuck up the plans of the MIIC (Mil-Industrial-Intelligence Complex)?

Many speculate that JFK was assassinated because he jerked the carpet out from under the CIA's operations in Cuba (Bay of Pigs, etc.).

Bernie might object to the CIA overthrowing other democratic socialists like they did Allende. He might bring in new directors for these agencies who would like to change the culture. How happy do you think the CIA would be with a Ray McGovern clone as Director?

What if the military started losing enlistees to Bernie's new WPA?

True, he would have to have support in Congress for some of these things, like the WPA, but there is a lot he could do by executive fiat.

[treestar]

9. It's funny you'd refer to JFK

there's a lot of CT type stuff about how it's out of all Presidents' controls. If it assassinated JFK that wasn't by his executive fiat.

[merrily]

5. Also very expensive dudes.

[madokie]

7. No doubt

[BrotherIvan]

8. Scary fucking dudes

And the banks. I hope he has a security detail soon.

[Jackpine Radical]

10. My guess is that they won't much bother with him at this point.

Not until he surprises the shit out of them as people figure out what he's offerning.

[rhett o rick]

25. I disagree. Now is the time for them to nip this schit in the bud. If allowed to

grow, it will be harder in the future.

I fear for his and his families safety. We can best help him by making the Populist Movement bigger than Bernie. We must make it clear that if the some how neutralize Sen Sanders we will carry on anywayz.

[Jackpine Radical]

29. I think they see him as more of a nuisance and threat to Hillary.

In fact, I would bet that, given the choice of opponents as things stand today, the Republicans would choose Bernie because they think he is too far-out to have a prayer of a chance. Socialist and all that.

It will take a real public upsurge to pop the RW bubble; just ask President Romney and Queen Anne.

[MADem]

11. They'd just have to spend a little more to veto-proof Congress.

Until money is taken out of politics decisively, in the election process, specifically, the moneyed interests don't have to sweat the load. They can get the legislature, or the executive branch...or both. They only need one to maintain the status quo; two to move forward.

[Jackpine Radical]

12. Sadly you are correct.

However, you can't use Big Money to beat Big Money because Big Money wins either way.

[rhett o rick]

26. "you can't use Big Money to beat Big Money because Big Money wins either way."

Sounds like a great meme.

[Populist_Prole]

13. Corporatists

But really, they won't "lose". It'll just be a case of not solidifying their gains ( yet again ) to the degree they've been accustomed to over the past few decades.

[staggerleem]

21. In modern business parlance ...

... there is absolutely NO DISTINCTION between unrealized gains and losses.

I'm pretty sure that the TPP is being drafted with that notion as a primary tenet, as well. So if my nation passes a law that causes the plans of your multinational company to fizzle, your company can sue my nation (at the World Bank or the Hague) for those "losses".

Essentially any dollar that's still in your pocket (or mine), is "lost revenue" to one multinational enterprise or another.

[Populist_Prole]

28. Yeah. Excellent point; Come to think of it

I've seen it played out in their buzzword fest of BS.

"Disappointing market share" ( Anything less than 100 percent )

Or the weird baseline type of logic they use that states if XYZ Inc made a 10 million dollar profit one year, and an 8 million dollar profit the next, they "lost" 2 million dollars.

[Enthusiast]

15. Every bit as scary as Eisenhower said they were.

I mean the Supreme Commander of the WWII allied forces tell us to beware, we better beware.

[Jackpine Radical]

17. Even scarier that Ike said.

[Enthusiast]

18. It is. Ike never envisioned the internet and cell phones.

[Glassunion]

16. The status quo.

[Jackpine Radical]

19. Yes, and there are a whole lot of powerful forces who would like their status to remain

quo.

[geek tragedy]

22. Wall Street would be the primary target if Bernie won. nt

[maindawg]

23. Because Bernie wont shoot first

and ask questions later. Thats what rethuglicans do.

[Jackpine Radical]

24. Actually, I never heard a Republican as questions

after shooting.

[Major Hogwash]

30. Who scares the establishment more, Bernie or Hillary?

When I use the term "establishment", I'm referring to those people the same way the hippies and the yippies of the 1960s used that term.

To refer to members of both parties, Congressmen serving in both the House and the Senate.
Congressmen and Congresswomen that have agreed with each other -- behind closed doors -- to screw up our country.
All the while making "pie in the sky" promises to their constituents when they are on the campaign trail in order to get elected and re-elected, promises that they could never, ever hope to keep.

[Jackpine Radical]

31. Wall St. is terrified of Hillary.

She could raise her public speaking rates at any moment.

[rbnyc]

33. lmao

Thanks for the laugh. That was good.