cnn: Don't be fooled by Pamela Geller

[spanone]

(CNN).......So why did Geller claim that the attackers represent large numbers of American Muslims — as she puts it, "your everyday, run of the mill moderates praising mind-numbing savagery" — although her only evidence for that are a few Twitter accounts linked to ISIS, one of which may have belonged to one of the attackers, and none of which represent any American Muslims?

It's not as though Geller ever lets facts get in the way of a good opportunity: After the attack, she didn't call for dialogue, for understanding, for bringing people together, which is what real leaders do.

Instead, she went on Fox news and called it a war. And that appears to be what she wants. That's why she's dangerous, not brave. She's not celebrating hate speech for the sake of free speech, but to provoke reactions that polarize America, set people at odds, and alienate Muslims, who are American citizens and often first in line to report planned terrorist attacks. (American Muslims are allies, not enemies.)

And plenty of people know this, not just American Muslims, who might be presumed to be partial.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/opinions/moghul-texas-shooting-gellar/index.html

[Petrushka]

1. Who is Pamela Geller?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/texas-shooting-who-is-pamela-geller/index.html

[Gothmog]

2. Pam Geller is a hate monger

[malaise]

3. That women is out of control

[mainer]

4. And yet there seems to be a weird lovefest for Geller on DU

because she of course represents the first amendment.

[PeaceNikki]

5. Holy shit, where!?

Can you post some links to any DUers who are expressing 'love' and/or adoration for her?

That's nuts!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

8. For starters, this thread seems to think she's doing the right thing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6620528

[PeaceNikki]

10. Hrm, that thread expresses no love or adoration for Geller.

Where are you seeing that?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

12. That thread completely justifies Geller's behavior.

It says she was doing the right thing in intentionally provoking violence.

[PeaceNikki]

15. I repeat: Hrm, that thread expresses no love or adoration for Geller.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

17. Since when did DU get so literal?

There's no actual "lovefest."

But there are people who are completely justifying and supporting her behavior. And that's sad.

[PeaceNikki]

19. Exactly - there is absolutely no lovefest; no adoration for her or what she stands for.

We are all 100% in agreement that she is a hateful asshole.

Some of us understand that even hateful assholes have a right to be hateful assholes.

If you think that's "sad"... meh.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

21. The right to be a hateful asshole is not sad.

Saying that we ought to be going out and intentionally provoking people to commit acts of violence. That's the sad thing.

[PeaceNikki]

22. Hrm. *You* added the "...to commit acts of violence." part.

The people who commit acts of violence can and should control themselves. Nobody MAKES them become violent. They aren't animals.

We should be 'provoking' for the sake of affecting change. We should be challenging homophobic and misogynist beliefs which are impacting society in a very damaging way.

The OP of the thread you linked made it clear that it wasn't even *really* about Geller, but about pushing back on damaging religious tradition and beliefs in a secular society.

OK, you don't get and/or agree with that. Super. But stop misinterpreting it and trying to state what you think it means. You're clearly wrong.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

23. That OP would not have been posted but for Geller's actions.

It was completely supporting Geller and excusing her actions.

[PeaceNikki]

24. Perhaps. It's a timely discussion about speech and how it should NOT invoke violence.

You have put words into that OP's mouth, gotten incredibly hyperbolic with regards to some fucking "lovefest" for her, and ignored the rest of what I wrote so it's clear you don't really want to have a rational adult conversation about it.

With that, I bid you a good day.

[GGJohn]

6. Lovefest for Geller on DU?

Where? All I see are DU'ers defending her right to be a disgusting bigot and her right to express her views.

That's twice now you've mis-represented here on DU this morning.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

7. For starters, this thread seems to think she's doing the right thing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6620528

[GGJohn]

9. So where's the "lovefest for Geller on DU"? eom.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

11. Well, there's no "Pam Geller is hawt", if that's what your asking.

But we have at least one example of one post, recommended by numerous others, claiming she was doing the right thing by intentionally attempting to provoke violence.

[GGJohn]

14. So you admit that there is no "lovefest" on DU for Geller?

Because another poster says there is.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

16. There is no literal "lovefest". But there is plenty of excusing her behavior.

And it goes beyond "I disagree with what she does or says but she has the right to do or say it."

It actually supports what she does. Says she was doing the right thing.

[GGJohn]

18. Most of the posts support her right to what she did, not saying she did the right thing.

Very few, and I mean very few members support her message, what we're supporting is her 1A right to express her views however offensive they may be.

[JaneyVee]

13. Don't worry, I'm not.

[Kingofalldems]

20. Of course she's way too good to be on the front lines.

[closeupready]

26. Why do that when fools rush in to do her bidding?

As she rakes in the donations to her bullshit NGO, the mainstream media gives her mountains of free publicity, and she takes it easy barking orders?

[closeupready]

25. She's the classically-defined histrionic disordered personality in my opinion,

and further in my opinion, she's a narcissist.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. She's made a lot money

Off of first - Atlas Shrugged - and now her first last name blog. She's as much of a grifter as Palin

[closeupready]

28. Oh yeah, no question.

Grifters' gotta grift.

[CullenBohannon]

29. yes

Even Trump and Orielly said shes provoking them.