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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Tue May 5, 2015, 09:58 AM May 2015

Americans are becoming desperate for change.

And it is across the board - Democrats and Republicans alike.

That is one reason why Bernie Sanders is so popular.

Many Americans feel that America is on the wrong track and if we don't change our way very soon, there will be no turning back. There is an underlying anxiety across Party lines.

The majority of people, including a great many middle-class folks, see the writing on the wall. They are losing ground every day. The wealthy have declared war on everyone else and now have bought our political system to serve their own best interests. The 1% have persuaded many of their bought politicians that "their" interests are the "peoples" interests. But history shows that to be dangerously wrong.

There seems to be no exit from this cycle of politics. The two Parties play spin the bottle and take turns pretending to be in charge. The interests of the people at large are ignored. Everything is for sale. Power is the only goal of most of our elected officials. They have become very good at lying to their supporters. If it's not the Republicans' fault, then it must be the Democrats' fault - and vice-versa. It's the same old shell game.

But Americans do not see any light at the end of this tunnel. A little voice tells them they need to change course or we may not have the opportunity to do so in the future. This is our last chance to save whatever vision we may have had of what we called "America"...

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Americans are becoming desperate for change. (Original Post) kentuck May 2015 OP
Very true.... daleanime May 2015 #1
Americans have been desperate for change for years. merrily May 2015 #2
And they voted for change in 2008 zeemike May 2015 #29
Obama did NO favors for any true liberal running for president. fasttense May 2015 #36
But Sen Sanders has a track record MissDeeds May 2015 #41
You are correct fasttense May 2015 #92
You're absolutely correct, IMO dreamnightwind May 2015 #60
Sanders has a record to go by. Now when I look back, we listened to the words we wanted to hear sabrina 1 May 2015 #71
I have been interested in politics a long time fasttense May 2015 #93
Yes, I believed him also. But I did have some moments when my instincts sabrina 1 May 2015 #95
Obama Lies billhicks76 May 2015 #78
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #82
I Truly Want Us To Succeed billhicks76 May 2015 #89
All people lie fasttense May 2015 #94
Don't you believe that the Republican opposition wasn't a factor? olegramps May 2015 #85
Yes, RepubliCON obstruction did hurt his liberal policy attempts. fasttense May 2015 #96
Yes he will face the same obstructionism, but will he cave? zeemike May 2015 #98
+1000 n/t MissDeeds May 2015 #38
^^this PowerToThePeople May 2015 #97
So was I twice. zeemike May 2015 #99
Because I still give a damn... tk2kewl May 2015 #3
That would make an awesome bumper sticker BrotherIvan May 2015 #43
I want it on a t-shirt too tk2kewl May 2015 #48
Really BrotherIvan May 2015 #53
"The interests of the people at large are ignored." Ain't that the truth? nt raccoon May 2015 #4
Today is election day in Michigan where there is a ballot proposal to shift road repair funding corkhead May 2015 #5
I hope so. ARDENTLY!!! But these favorable predictions sometimes have a way of being wrong. calimary May 2015 #31
anything is possible... corkhead May 2015 #76
Many of the middle class and upper middle class have fallen for being used. They are like brewens May 2015 #6
Kick.kick,kicked&Recommended... butterfly77 May 2015 #7
Great post, but it's not just power, but wealth, too, our officials covet. closeupready May 2015 #8
yep - that's why 840high May 2015 #10
+1 BrotherIvan May 2015 #44
It brings to mind awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #65
Superb post Kentuck. donnasgirl May 2015 #9
Thanks! kentuck May 2015 #12
Problem is... SHRED May 2015 #11
so far it is not enough people hfojvt May 2015 #13
Good point! kentuck May 2015 #14
Exactly. We need to remember the House and Senate elctions or it does us not good. jwirr May 2015 #18
Abso-fricking-lutely! SoapBox May 2015 #32
Too true, but he can and would use the Bully Pulpit to counter the BS and keep the focus Dustlawyer May 2015 #39
The Senate will flip in 2016 BrotherIvan May 2015 #46
But don't forget the millions of people making money off the government erronis May 2015 #57
People got change it just they forgot to participate.... Historic NY May 2015 #80
You're right. davidthegnome May 2015 #15
If you try to go to Clearwater Beach this weekend... NCTraveler May 2015 #16
Come to my neighborhood BrotherIvan May 2015 #51
I don't mean this in a rude way. NCTraveler May 2015 #87
I was just hearing that I hear from some quarters and even on this board BrotherIvan May 2015 #88
At 1% super rich, that's still ~3,300,000 people. Clearwater Beach/Tampa is known as place whereisjustice May 2015 #67
What you have just shown. NCTraveler May 2015 #86
Hmmm, well as someone who has travelled a bit, I can give my impressions and I stopped going whereisjustice May 2015 #90
desire for change could also produce a walker or cruz or sanitorium dembotoz May 2015 #17
That's not the change most people are looking for than goodness. Elmer S. E. Dump May 2015 #20
Bernie gives me some hope. Hillary, not so much. Elmer S. E. Dump May 2015 #19
I'm with Bernie all the way... but if Hillary is our nominee, I'd rather a D in the White House... secondwind May 2015 #21
Go Hillary! ImaPolitico May 2015 #73
eloquent. BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #22
Fantastic OP! riqster May 2015 #23
I mostly agree with the OP StarzGuy May 2015 #24
If Bernie gets elected, during the next prez round, Republicans will campaign valerief May 2015 #25
.and Leon Trotsky will be their Savior PeoViejo May 2015 #83
What evidence do you have that Skidmore May 2015 #26
That was Obama's primary selling point also. Kablooie May 2015 #27
^^^ Americans feel powerless because they are powerless. nt Eleanors38 May 2015 #28
Good point pscot May 2015 #35
then vote for Bernie! TheNutcracker May 2015 #30
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results Autumn May 2015 #33
+1 BrotherIvan May 2015 #55
+2 L0oniX May 2015 #64
My husband is worried about Bernie's age.. mountain grammy May 2015 #34
Obama proved he is not a change-agent... Thespian2 May 2015 #37
Truth. 99Forever May 2015 #40
While I agree that people feel we are on the wrong track, old guy May 2015 #42
It is true that a lot of people are one-issue voters and are out of touch with the majority... kentuck May 2015 #45
Happy to be the 100th rec! hifiguy May 2015 #47
Nah Recursion May 2015 #49
I don't think the majority of America is as optimistic as you. kentuck May 2015 #50
But "full employment" has a meaning, and we're at it Recursion May 2015 #52
Yeah, people are loving it BrotherIvan May 2015 #56
smh... chervilant May 2015 #75
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast May 2015 #54
That would be a good place to start. kentuck May 2015 #58
All Too True cantbeserious May 2015 #59
A House divided against itself cannot stand Martin Eden May 2015 #61
Preach it Brother! kentuck May 2015 #62
Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2015 #63
It's so bad, Hillary is dropping the price of her famous speech to $299,000. But that's not all... whereisjustice May 2015 #66
I couldn't agree more smiley May 2015 #68
The people don't seem to know how to get change Rosa Luxemburg May 2015 #69
We all thought that would happen when President Obama got elected! akbacchus_BC May 2015 #70
Didn't we all? 99Forever May 2015 #84
+1000 smirkymonkey May 2015 #72
Or, they will be utterly apathetic, believing change eluded them Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #74
Trying to avoid eating your peas, I see? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #77
This is why the media and political establishment are conspiring to silence Bernie. Enthusiast May 2015 #79
All Evidence RobinA May 2015 #81
K&R woo me with science May 2015 #91

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
29. And they voted for change in 2008
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:35 PM
May 2015

But it never really came.
This time we have a candidate with a long history of the kind of thing people are hungry for.
We will now see whether big money can by the status quo.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
36. Obama did NO favors for any true liberal running for president.
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:07 PM
May 2015

Because anything liberal coming out of a presidential candidate's mouth is going to immediately hearken back to Obama and how he turned out to be nothing but a lukewarm RepubliCON. I even say it to myself at times when I hear Senator Sanders state his stand on the issues. "Why I've heard that before and it came out of the mouth of the current president who is trying to sell the country on another "free" trade deal."

I know Senator Sanders is the real deal because he has stood for liberal issues ever since he was in politics, but a small voice in my head keeps saying, "Obama sounded real liberal too. I've heard that before."

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
41. But Sen Sanders has a track record
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:13 PM
May 2015

of standing by what he says. Obama ran on hope, change, fired up, and very few specifics. His rhetoric fueled his popularity. After eight horrendous years of Bush/Cheney, people were starved for something hopeful to cling to. Frankly, I didn't buy into it because he did not spell out how exactly changes were going to be made. Not only that, he abandoned many of his promises once elected. People should have known that a candidate who often votes "present" is not someone who is going to take a stand and fight.

Bernie Sanders is not afraid of standing for causes he believes in. In his Dec. 2010 eight hour speech/filibuster, he detailed exactly what is wrong with many of the Bush policies that Obama embraced and extended. It is all detailed in his book "The Speech" in which Sen Sanders vows that all proceeds from the sale of the book will "go to charitable, non-profit organizations in the State of Vermont - mostly relating to the needs of children". How many fat cat politicians would do that?

I believe in Sen Sanders. He has earned my respect and my confidence by the way he has lived and the way he has led.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
92. You are correct
Sun May 10, 2015, 10:18 AM
May 2015

And I hope Senator Sanders can get his record across to voters.

But I honestly believed Obama when I voted for him after the bushes finished their reign. And though I keep fighting off the nagging voice it keeps coming back. Like I said Obama has done a disservice to all future liberals.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
60. You're absolutely correct, IMO
Tue May 5, 2015, 07:06 PM
May 2015

It feeds the narrative that they all lie to us and do the same old policies for the most part, which is what most Americans believe. The way to fix it, of course, is to support the real deal.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
71. Sanders has a record to go by. Now when I look back, we listened to the words we wanted to hear
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:29 AM
May 2015

but didn't do enough checking. Mainly because there really wasn't much of a record.

Which is why from now on, I WANT our candidates for this high office to have a record that will back up their words.

In this election so far, both declared candidates have those records.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
93. I have been interested in politics a long time
Sun May 10, 2015, 10:21 AM
May 2015

and I believed Obama. It just makes me NOT trust my instincts.

My instincts say Senator Sanders is the real deal. And then that nagging voice.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
95. Yes, I believed him also. But I did have some moments when my instincts
Sun May 10, 2015, 10:30 AM
May 2015

said 'wait a minute'. One was his evasion every time he was asked about bringing War Criminals to justice eg.

There were a few things that I got that nagging feeling about, but even with those few things, which to be honest didn't really become very apparent until late in the campaign, we were coming out of eight years of Bush/Cheney and McCain/Palin was the alternative, so I brushed them aside.

Add to that he benefited by not having a long record to judge him by.

Bernie otoh, DOES. There are few issues I disagree with him on. When I listen to him, I want to jump up and say 'YES' and he HAS challenged those who need to be challenged, publicly. He has not waffled when asked for his opinion on Wall St corruption.

He is as close as we are ever going to get to what this country needs right now.

And if he is fooling us, he's been doing it since he was in college. That's a long time not to make a slip somewhere along the way on some pretty major, and sometimes very controversial issues.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
78. Obama Lies
Wed May 6, 2015, 07:39 AM
May 2015

Why aren't so-called Democrats calling out Obama(and Hillary) about his outright lies concerning TPP. He is flat out lying. When are people going to stop falling for this sucker game?

Response to billhicks76 (Reply #78)

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
89. I Truly Want Us To Succeed
Wed May 6, 2015, 05:45 PM
May 2015

I sometimes feel it's impossible because the system is rigged and the players compromised. I agree with Robert Reich...TPP is based on lies like NAFTA but it's much bigger and deadlier. No one can enforce 3rd world or totalitarian countries to stick to labor or environmental rules. Corporations know this. We lose jobs and now we give up the last thing we have...Sovereignty. My business can be sued by some entity in another country. I have no intellectual property protection. Oil companies can sue solar companies for interfering with profits. Obama knows this so my guess is he's only ALLOWED to enact minor reforms in this country but us forced to bat for corporate America because they are squeezing him somehow. What they have on him I don't know but what else explains his schizophrenic bifurcated policy making???

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
94. All people lie
Sun May 10, 2015, 10:23 AM
May 2015

So, that really is not what bothers me about Obama. It's that he made himself out to be a liberal but has performed like a moderate RepubliCON.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
85. Don't you believe that the Republican opposition wasn't a factor?
Wed May 6, 2015, 09:14 AM
May 2015

I believe that President Obama was naive in believing that he could actually work with the Republicans. From the outset they were determined to oppose anything that he put forth. Perhaps he should have been forceful and taken his issues to the public.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
96. Yes, RepubliCON obstruction did hurt his liberal policy attempts.
Sun May 10, 2015, 10:49 AM
May 2015

But he is such an inspiring speaker, I truly believe that if he had taken populist issues to the public and used his bully pulpit to win over the American people he would have gotten what he wanted.

The easy way Obama cooperated with corporations and banks, the willingness of his administration to ignore malfeasance from bankster, corporations, the uber rich, the military industrial complex and the politically connected, his effort after effort to get along with RepubliCONS, his willingness to give the rich another tax giveaway while quickly taking back a tax cut to the rest of us, just demonstrates his essential conservative nature. He hid that nature during the campaign and he would probably have lost if he had showed it.

If Senator Sanders wind, he will face the same obstructionism from RepubliCONS.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
98. Yes he will face the same obstructionism, but will he cave?
Sun May 10, 2015, 11:57 AM
May 2015

That is the question...and will he veto their bills that destroy us?...or will he compromise principles in order to get along?

People don't hold it against someone if they fight hard for what is right...but they do when they cave to pressure...it spells weakness.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
99. So was I twice.
Sun May 10, 2015, 12:00 PM
May 2015

I actually believed the meme that once he had a second term things would happen...well they did but not like I had hoped...the first thing out of the box was the attack of social security, that is when I realized I had been fooled.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
53. Really
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:02 PM
May 2015

If they make it, I will buy it. I'm going to annoy everyone with my Bernie t-shirt logos. I donated my Obama ones long ago so it will be good to refresh the wardrobe.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
5. Today is election day in Michigan where there is a ballot proposal to shift road repair funding
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:44 AM
May 2015

to those who can least afford to pay it, by raising the sales tax. The RWNJs in our legislature don't have the courage or inclination to pass a bill that asks the filthy rich, who can afford to pay a little more, to pitch in.

The good news is that this cynical ballot measure is going down in flames big time. People are finally waking up to what is being done to them.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
31. I hope so. ARDENTLY!!! But these favorable predictions sometimes have a way of being wrong.
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:41 PM
May 2015

That's why I cringe every time that Emily's List spokeswoman Jess McIntosh is on. Every time she's called a race and said it was a certainty the Democratic woman candidate would win, that candidate LOST. Whether it was Kay Hagan in North Carolina or Alex Sink in Florida (those are just the ones I remember off the bat), her analysis was consistently pretty worthless.

And mind you, I appreciate Emily's List. Very much. I've even donated. I appreciate all the people on our side getting face time on the air and on cable. I welcome it. And the more clever and eloquent they are, the better. And Jess McIntosh is certainly eloquent, and she presents herself well visually - which you NEED for on-camera work. Granted, I'd rather have her on than ANYBODY from the Dark Side. But still...

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
76. anything is possible...
Wed May 6, 2015, 06:13 AM
May 2015
Michigan voters soundly reject Proposal 1 road tax plan

1.4 million Michiganders voted no on Proposal 1 while less than 351,000 voted yes, according to the Michigan Secretary of State's office. The 80-20 rejection may be the most one-sided loss for a proposed constitutional amendment in state history.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/05/angry-voters-reject-proposal-michigan-roads-await-viable-fix/26950451/

brewens

(13,574 posts)
6. Many of the middle class and upper middle class have fallen for being used. They are like
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:50 AM
May 2015

slaves that were made overseers or house servants. The type that would go along with anything their masters wanted as long as they kept that higher status and never had to go back to working the fields, something that was constantly held over their heads. That's why OWS was portrayed the way it was. They just want free stuff and to get it, they want to take what you have! It was about nothing of the sort. It was about stopping the looting at the very top.

If you're right-winger, getting close to retirement and sitting pretty well, the 1% aren't going to find a place for you in their gated communities to keep you and your stuff safe. You're out here with the rest of us and you'd better get a clue pretty quick!

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
8. Great post, but it's not just power, but wealth, too, our officials covet.
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:59 AM
May 2015

And they cash in, post-term, as a reward for having been a good toadie whilst in office. All this populist talk is implicitly understood by Beltway Insiders as being nothing more than hot air, a necessary evil as a means of persuading voters that 'this time, it will be different!'

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
11. Problem is...
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:19 AM
May 2015

...many many people think that giving the private sector more power and control over our government is the answer.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
13. so far it is not enough people
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:26 AM
May 2015

not enough to keep the vast majority of Congress from being re-elected. Hint, you don't get change with the same old Congresspeople.

President Sanders won't be able to change much of anything if McConnell is running the Senate and Boehner is running the House.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
14. Good point!
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:31 AM
May 2015

I think people are starting to look for solutions beyond the Party label. Their revenge will not be merciful.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
39. Too true, but he can and would use the Bully Pulpit to counter the BS and keep the focus
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:55 PM
May 2015

on real problems. The American people are going to have to demand real change in previously UN-heard of numbers that I don't think are there just yet. I hope I am wrong about this, but Climate Change will not wait for us to get our sh*t together while fighting oil company Lobbyists!
He can also keep us out of freaking wars we have no business fighting except to support the MIC!

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
46. The Senate will flip in 2016
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:50 PM
May 2015

The house won't most likely unless the presidential candidate can depress Republican turnout and bring Democrats to the polls. It's a tall order but not entirely impossible.

erronis

(15,241 posts)
57. But don't forget the millions of people making money off the government
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:56 PM
May 2015

Seriously. The payroll of the critters scurrying around capitol hill are miniscule compared to the $$$s that are being spent on contracting agencies. You could give 100% merit increases to each critter if they did something good for the country and it wouldn't come close to the flood of taxpayer dollars that are going out the door.

These $s are mainly unaccounted for, may go to off-shore tax-free locations, are decidedly used for rewarding ex-law-makers when they decide to take a "leave for personal reasons."

One thing that a bully/FDR/Sanders pulpit could do would be to impose a strict accounting on cash flows between the vested interests and those critters (and SCOTUS and executive.)

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
80. People got change it just they forgot to participate....
Wed May 6, 2015, 08:13 AM
May 2015

the Congress & Senate went to the party people chose to vote for, while other chose not to vote. It takes 2-4-6 yrs to undo those changes

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
15. You're right.
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:36 AM
May 2015

I think Sanders is a good man to help bring about that change - I think he would be a good leader. I also think though, that we need to promote, push and accomplish that change ourselves. The Republicans in the House and Senate would give Sanders a hell of a time - the rank and file conservatives, tea party republicans, and so on... shudder at the very word "democracy" let alone "democratic socialism". They will likely try to paint Bernie as an evil socialist, which is kind of funny, considering they did the same thing to Obama - and Sanders actually IS a democratic socialist.

Sanders is great, but the power required, the strength and the voices required to make change will have to come from the American people. Voting, protesting, doing whatever is necessary to assure that those of us who are NOT wealthy might have a chance to at least survive and to thrive.

My fear is that it may already be too late - that the system is so rigged, so bought and paid for, so tightly controlled, that we can no longer truly make a difference through the normal means. I guess we'll find out.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. If you try to go to Clearwater Beach this weekend...
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:39 AM
May 2015

If you try to go to Clearwater Beach this weekend you will wait hours for a parking spot. Want to make a reservation at the Mystic Fish? Better do it today. It will be booked by tomorrow or Thursday. The Dali Museum? Absolutely packed. How about a boat trip? Book your trip today or get to the ramp really early. They are all going to fill up. Clearwater Marine Science Center? They will be turning people away on Saturday because of how many will show up. The local parks? Jam packed by 10 am. A round of golf for Saturday? Hope you have already booked a tee time if you are thinking about a descent place. That being said, even the dog tracks will be packed.

People simply don't get this for some reason. All of these people are doing what they are doing in the name of fun. The activities I described range from free(gas money) to very expensive. The blanket statements in the op about Americans are just not true. If they were, we would be seeing great change.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
51. Come to my neighborhood
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:01 PM
May 2015

Most or at least one parent works all weekend. Most parents have more than one job with some people working night shifts and leaving the kids with the grandparents. They never see their kids or would have time to volunteer at their schools. No one under 50 except for the upper middle class, owns a home, and no one will for the forseaable future because housing prices in Southern California are far too high. I don't live in an especially poor neighborhood of metro Los Angeles, but definitely not the leafy streets of Santa Monica or coastal cities where people seem to have reaped the benefits of the recovery. People are just scraping and they have no idea when it's going to get better.

In the entertainment industry, massive layoffs and outsourcing is squeezing everyone. In my field, a person with about 10 yrs experience used to make between $80-150k a year and could support a family with union benefits. Now they are quite literally posting jobs for $500 a week with no benefits as contractor. It's only sustainable if you are very young and a lot of people, such as myself, have had to find supplemental careers or drop out altogether.

So the news isn't great everywhere. People are struggling and they're angry. But they're too damn tired to do anything about it. This was completely by design.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
87. I don't mean this in a rude way.
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:03 AM
May 2015

I think you missed my point. The same thing you mention in your reply is also going on in Clearwater. My point might not have been clear enough. As long as a majority of people in an area can do what I mentioned, change will not rapidly happen and people will not pine for it. Governments do a great job and holding that line. I do think your reply is spot on.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
88. I was just hearing that I hear from some quarters and even on this board
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:09 AM
May 2015

that the rcovery is in full swing and everything is fine. The line "we are at full employment" is because people are taking crappy, low wage jobs. I think in an effort to support the current administration, many Democrats have lost touch.

I don't disagree that people are looking for distraction. There is also no doubt that they are building lots of debt to do it. I think that the reason why people don't ask for change anymore is that they don't believe government leaders can bring it. To them, Washington is just a game, where everyone gets rich and nobody fulfills their promises. There is a complete lack of trust. So I don't think they know who to ask or who to go for to get change. They're just putting their heads down and trying to do the best they can. It's going to be very hard to get enthusiastic or trust a politician again. That's why voter turn out is so low.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
67. At 1% super rich, that's still ~3,300,000 people. Clearwater Beach/Tampa is known as place
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:22 PM
May 2015

for rich conservatives. However, the city of Clearwater looks very run down, in my opinion. There's a reason Republicans were delighted to have a convention in Tampa. Then there's the Scientologists

Kind of disturbing, the contrast between the Clearwater and Clearwater Beach.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
86. What you have just shown.
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:00 AM
May 2015

Is that you have no clue about Clearwater. Very few of the activities I mentioned require one to be a one percenter. The contrast between the Clearwater and Clearwater Beach. One of the best lines here.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
90. Hmmm, well as someone who has travelled a bit, I can give my impressions and I stopped going
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:23 PM
May 2015

to Clearwater Beach because I was priced out and Clearwater was obviously run down in contrast (excluding the ample mansions and millionaire estates along bay).

South of Clearwater Beach, same story - Mega Rich.

The point being that Clearwater Beach is a place where there is an abundance of wealth, far, far above average. Clearwater, however, as of a few years ago was on list of Florida's extreme poverty zones along with some other areas around Tampa if I recall correctly.

And there are plenty of Rich people in Florida to clog up the golf courses and small aquariums.

To me Clearwater vs. Clearwater Beach is demonstrative of the disparity we have come to accept as "normal".







secondwind

(16,903 posts)
21. I'm with Bernie all the way... but if Hillary is our nominee, I'd rather a D in the White House...
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:58 AM
May 2015

there are 3 SCOTUS appointments looming in our horizon.

But I plan to campaign for Bernie, have already donated TWICE, and will do so again and again and again.

I hope there are millions of people out there who are doing this too!

ImaPolitico

(150 posts)
73. Go Hillary!
Wed May 6, 2015, 03:30 AM
May 2015

Hillary will win the presidency in a heartbeat. Mr Sanders will never become president.
Am anxious to hear the two debate their total of six in all.

StarzGuy

(254 posts)
24. I mostly agree with the OP
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:12 PM
May 2015

But it already maybe too late. At least too late for my life cycle, now at 60. DINO's have cost us too many times yet they keep getting re-elected all the while even their numbers are dwindling with the take over of the US congress by the Republicans. Our hope now is to hold on to the POTUS. I am tired voting for the lesser or two evils. I want a president who speaks to my values. I will vote for Sanders if he is still in the democratic primary by the time it gets to Arizona. If he does not win the nomination and Clinton is the democratic nominee, Arizona will most likely go with the Repuke nominee so I have a decision to make. One of three choices; don't vote, vote for a third party candidate (if on the ballot) or vote for whom ever the democratic nominee is which is likely to be Clinton. At this time I have not idea what I would do.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
25. If Bernie gets elected, during the next prez round, Republicans will campaign
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:25 PM
May 2015

as communists!!!



Still, I hope Bernie gets elected prez. If not him, at least, a progressive.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
26. What evidence do you have that
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:29 PM
May 2015

Sanders is popular across the political spectrum? How well known do you think he is beyond circles of political junkies on the internet?

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
27. That was Obama's primary selling point also.
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:32 PM
May 2015

But now we have TPP barreling down the road towards us.

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Bernie has deeper held liberal views of course and that's his strong point but it's his weak point also.

People want change but in two diametrically opposite directions so anyone that pushes too hard in either direction is likely to be shut down in the long run.

Autumn

(45,057 posts)
33. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:56 PM
May 2015

Can't remember who said it but I'm not going to keep voting the same old thing that doesn't work. Because IMO the ones we vote for don't care if it works for the poor and the elderly. It works for them and the ones that donate to them.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
55. +1
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:06 PM
May 2015

It's supposed to be Einstein that said it but that is not certainty. And it's a very good way of putting it that might resonate with people.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
34. My husband is worried about Bernie's age..
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:00 PM
May 2015

so I said, what about a Sanders/Warren ticket and he just grinned. "That would be fine" he said.

of course he would vote for Sanders regardless of running mate.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
37. Obama proved he is not a change-agent...
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:44 PM
May 2015

So far, the only candidate who will provide change is Bernie Sanders...

old guy

(3,283 posts)
42. While I agree that people feel we are on the wrong track,
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:31 PM
May 2015

the reasons are not the same. Many people on the right are religion oriented and they are dissatisfied that we don't have a theocracy and they really want one! These people will never, ever change. They don't live in every day reality. Their thoughts and actions are guided by their religious beliefs. They don't care if the middle class is disappearing, they don't care if unions are being destroyed, they don't care if the politicians are being bought and paid for, because God will make everything OK.
There are the anti-tax crowd, the anti-immigrant groups, NRA lovers, racists and bigots of all stripes. All of these people agree the country is headed in the wrong direction, but the direction they think we should go is by no means the direction I would be willing to go. Likewise, they are not willing to go in my direction. There should be no doubt that the conservative economic platform, aka trickle down, is a total failure and will never work, yet it is touted every day as a model for our future. How does any of this change because all of the people vote?



kentuck

(111,079 posts)
45. It is true that a lot of people are one-issue voters and are out of touch with the majority...
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:48 PM
May 2015

As you say, they don't live in "everyday reality".

However, the majority sees the wealth disparity, the jobs leaving our country, the infrastructure deteriorating, the middle class shrinking, the unfair taxation system, etc, and feel that the country is on the wrong track. They see a broken political system that has been taken over by the 1% and they feel hopeless and helpless to do anything about it.

Those are the people that must change the politics of this country.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
49. Nah
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:54 PM
May 2015

We're at full employment, crime is at record lows, the poverty rate is lower than it's been in about 20 years (and the lowest it's ever been if you count non-cash transfers), and more Americans than ever before now have health insurance. Those aren't the conditions that lead an electorate to want change.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
50. I don't think the majority of America is as optimistic as you.
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:59 PM
May 2015

And they don't think we are at "full employment".

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
56. Yeah, people are loving it
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:08 PM
May 2015

Rasmussen poll May 4, 2015

Twenty-seven percent (27%) of Likely U.S. Voters now think the country is heading in the right direction, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey for the week ending April 30.

This finding is up one point from 26% the week before, the lowest level of optimism since mid-December. The previous low for the year was 27% in mid-March. In January and February, 30% or more of voters said the country was heading in the right direction after generally being in the mid- to high 20s since mid-June 2013.

Sixty-five percent (65%) now believe the nation is headed down the wrong track, down two points from last week’s high for the year.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
54. K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations!
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:02 PM
May 2015

Very well said, kentuck!

Our democracy is at a crisis level
. We really have enough on our plates here at home without engaging in foreign entanglements.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
58. That would be a good place to start.
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:11 PM
May 2015

Most people would agree that we are just a bit heavy in foreign entanglements...

Martin Eden

(12,863 posts)
61. A House divided against itself cannot stand
Tue May 5, 2015, 07:08 PM
May 2015

The American people are bitterly divided because the Powers That Be want it that way.

The polarization of the electorate is not a natural divide resulting from conflicting interests. The progressives/liberals in this forum are for the most part in the same economic boat as the average teabagger. We have a lot more in common with each other (in terms of how we're effected by policies legislated in Washington) than either side has with the oligarchs who own most of the country including the politicians and the increasingly consolidated media.

Teabaggers are certainly among the Americans who sense that something is terribly wrong and are desperate for change. But they have been manipulated into placing the blame anywhere other than where it belongs -- the Oligarchs who've stolen just about everything including The American Dream. The rightwing propaganda noise machine points the finger at gays, blacks, muslims, atheists, liberals, labor unions, and the poor (even though many teabaggers are poor and take govmint assistance). They've been told their religion and their flag are under assault by folks who aren't like them, so they keep voting for the snake oil salesmen who keep reinforcing the message and ideology that's been drummed into their heads by Faux news and talk radio.

Until the citizens who consistently vote against their own economic interests wake up or die off, the American people will remain a House Divided and we will not be able to stand and work together.

Our best hope lies in youth. Mentor them, and get them involved!

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
63. Like I have said before.
Tue May 5, 2015, 07:49 PM
May 2015

It is time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
66. It's so bad, Hillary is dropping the price of her famous speech to $299,000. But that's not all...
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:55 PM
May 2015

You'll receive her new book,

"It takes a village to raise a child on Wall Street." (*)


(*) shipping and handling fees extra, some restrictions and blackout periods apply, some side effects include moral hazard, job loss, injustice, war and disparity. Seek guidance from your IRS agent before undertaking this or any other tax deductible payment in exchange for political influence.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
69. The people don't seem to know how to get change
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:04 AM
May 2015

many of them in need are indoctrinated by the media and the GOP politicians.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
84. Didn't we all?
Wed May 6, 2015, 09:13 AM
May 2015

That's what happens when we listen to what they say during campaigns and fail to look at what they have actually done.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
74. Or, they will be utterly apathetic, believing change eluded them
Wed May 6, 2015, 03:32 AM
May 2015

last time around and will no longer bother to vote. I know, I'm a downer. Someone had to be.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
77. Trying to avoid eating your peas, I see?
Wed May 6, 2015, 06:45 AM
May 2015

You people have had it too good, for too long. Time to tear off the band aid.

Regards,

TWM

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
79. This is why the media and political establishment are conspiring to silence Bernie.
Wed May 6, 2015, 07:46 AM
May 2015

The people are starving for Bernie's message.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
81. All Evidence
Wed May 6, 2015, 08:18 AM
May 2015

to the contrary, if you look at the results of the mid-terms. I'm not convinced many Americans would know change if it bit them on the butt,

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