I stand with Hillary Clinton and my Latino brothers and sisters on immigration reform

[DemocratSinceBirth]

She is the presumed favorite of Latino voters and, today in Las Vegas, Hillary Clinton doubled down on what is seen as a gateway issue for that voting bloc.

She laid out her plan for comprehensive immigration reform at a campaign event—including a pathway to citizenship, willingness to take executive action, and reforming detention programs.

At a campaign event today, her third since announcing she's running for president, Clinton made immigration reform a defining issue, and on Cinco de Mayo, no less.


Latino leaders consulting her campaign have told ABC News that Clinton is looking for a way to clearly contrast herself with Republican presidential candidates by embracing the full path to citizenship rather than proposing a second class of Americans who can work in the United States but not enjoy the protection of citizenship.

Clinton made the argument that comprehensive immigration reform “strengthens families, strengthens our economy, and strengthens our country.”

“That's why we can't wait any longer. We can't wait any longer for a path to full and equal citizenship.”

Clinton also took an aggressive stance against Republicans.

“Now this is where I differ with everybody on the Republican side,” she said. “Make no mistakes. Today not a single Republican candidate - announced or potential - is clearly and consistently supporting a path to citizenship. Not one.”

“When they talk about ‘legal status’ that is code for second-class status,” she added.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-reveals-plans-immigration-reform/story?id=30812123

FROM O8 campaign but I never get tired of viewing it

[cantbeserious]

1. Others Stand For Immigration Reform As Well - Nothing Special Here About HRC

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Thank you for your input./NT

[cascadiance]

3. Will she want H-1B Visa expansion taken out of an immigration bill...

... that was in the one last year thanks to those like Schumer and Hatch? If not, when it really isn't an immigration issue anyway in truth, then the bad outweighs the good.

If we can get a clean bill that helps smooth the pathway to citizenship, etc. and fixes the other pieces that had been proposed earlier, then I could get behind it.

[Gman]

4. Hispanics went heavily for Hillary in 08

No reason to think that will change. The Hispanics often think of with the Clintons with the same reverence as the Kennedys.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. She received seventy percent of the Latino vote against Barack Obama.

She flirts with the ninety percent mark this primary season. Anybody can feel free to bookmark this post.

[Gman]

6. No doubt about it

She'll also lock up the Black vote shortly.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. She flirts with the ninety percent mark among African Americans

Some may see irony but she will kill it in every demographic but upscale, affluent, city and suburban dwellers with advanced degrees...*



Anybody can feel free to bookmark this post.





*Except trial lawyers...She will do very well among them...Basically she will do well among all whose concerns lead to the plebeian.

[JonLP24]

19. So does every Democrat pretty much

Allison-Grimes received 90% of the African-American vote in Kentucky she also received high shares of "liberal" & the poor winning Louisville and not much else. It isn't as if Hillary Clinton is uniquely popular with demographics that consistently vote Democratic.

On edit -- the only reverence I recall from a Mexican-American for a politician was ironically for JFK.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I am referring to the Democratic primaries./NT

[JonLP24]

22. We'll see when it gets to the primaries

Whatever polls say is meaningless by the time the information, interest, debates, campaigns, etc are in full force we know she didn't get 90% of the African-American vote in 2008.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. If she was running against Barack Obama I wouldn't have made that bold prediction...

As the Democratic primary goes to the more heterogeneous states look for HRC to eclipse the 70%. 80% mark.


"Save the tape" sounds better but in this instance i ask that you bookmark my posts...

[JonLP24]

29. You may be right

The prediction stuff doesn't interest me, just commenting on the polling & historical precedents.

When it comes to predictions I have been hearing how much of a sure thing Hillary Clinton from both parties since the early 2000s. Republicans were already assuming she was the Democratic nominee after the 2004 elections. I'm surprised of the Jeb Bush sure thing talk, I just don't see it. He's not even popular with Republicans (neither was Romney but he was viewed as the "electable" guy in their anybody but Obama push) but I don't see how a Bush would be viewed as an electable & I imagine the electability push would be lowered with no incumbent.

In terms of polling issues matter, Iraq War was a killer for Hillary Clinton (and a killer for Republicans nationwide in '08) but it is a lesser concern now so she has that going for but she could crash & burn at-any-time. There is an idea on DU that she is a sure thing while anybody else is risky but Democrats are a sure thing with the electoral math & demograhic trends Hillary Clinton is very risky with the polarization (already 47% view her unfavorably) not to mention saying something or the desperate attacks (Bill Ayers, Rezko, Jeremiah Wright)

[Pharaoh]

37. I think you left out the Bernie factor

Don't forget that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Mexican Americans revered RFK who actually took communion with Cesar Chavez.

[JonLP24]

24. No doubt

There is reverence for Cesar Chavez. There was a rally & protest against Police Brutality & solidarity with the Baltimore protesters at Cesar Chavez Park in Phoenix on March 31 (Cesar Chavez day) to May 1st & probably additional days after that

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. In L A public buildings are closed to celebrate Cesar Chavez's birthday./NT

[lovemydog]

39. I'm not so sure about that.

[JonLP24]

17. That is a ridiculous generalization

I don't deny there are Hispanics out there that exist but I have known many Hispanics & families and still are in contact and I pretty much never here reverence for politicians. They went for Obama & Democrats in pretty much all the recent elections, Republicans lose them on the issues ranging from economy to foreign policy. Republicans are simply very unpopular.

[Gman]

36. You come to South Texas

And I will take you to homes that still have pictures of JFK next to Our Lady Of Guadalupe surrounded by candles. You shouldn't judge and say it's ridiculous.

[lovemydog]

40. Yeah well, South Texas is pretty different

from a lot of other places in the country.

I'll watch the primary debates. All of them, 'cause I'm nerdy like that.

Most people I know haven't made up their minds or given it much thought yet. It's a long way away.

I'll give serious consideration to anyone in the running for the democratic nomination. I think some of their fervent supporters are pretty out of touch with many here who are an integral part of democratic underground and an integral part of the democratic party and don't appreciate being discussed as sheep.

[Gman]

41. DU is not the party and not even reality

It's a good meeting place and the best place for info I know of. But many here in their loud cacophony of progressivism just don't reflect reality.

[lovemydog]

43. Oh, there is a loud cacophony. I agree with that.

What you're saying is similar to what some Hillary supporters said about why she was a shoo-in to defeat Barack Obama, prior to the debates and primaries. Most people I know have not made up their minds or given it much thought yet. I think it's absurd to project too far in advance. Or take anything for granted. The political and demographic landscape has changed in seismic ways since 2008. Ways that political scientists even won't know until after the 2016 primaries and general elections.

South Texas is one part of the country. So are some very big urban areas all around the country. I too live in reality. I just typed a sentence. Yay me!

[Gman]

45. Sanders et al do have one big advantage over Hillary

That is I'm supporting her now. And in voting in what will be 12 presidential elections in 2016, the candidate I started out supporting, with the exceptions of Clinton and Obama for reelection, never got the nomination. But who knows, sometimes even a blind hog finds an ear of corn. We'll see.

[lovemydog]

48. LOL, I'm often wrong too.

I wouldn't have thought cat videos would be so popular on the internet. The democratic nominee will need to earn my vote. I really enjoy watching the primary debates. One thing for sure, I will support the democratic nominee for President. I think we both agree on that. I like both Sanders and Clinton. In 08 I liked both Obama and Clinton. In fact I felt in 08 that Clinton and Obama were two of the best democratic party candidates I'd ever seen. I still feel that way.

[JonLP24]

44. You said they revere the Clintons

which was main point of contention but I'm not judging & calling reverence ridiculous, I'm saying the statement which reads like a generalization was ridiculous. I live in Arizona & have friends and have known other friends & families over a lifetime not just here but in the Army as well including someone from South Texas(El Paso). He had an interesting story of drinking in Mexico & losing identification & crossing the border without one. I would just say, while JFK reverence is there (from most other people, even met Republicans (my grandparents who also idolized FDR)) but overall I wouldn't say reverence for politicians is common. Ideas are certainly discussed. Off the top of my hand, I remember a mention that they'll just build a tunnel they already have tunnels when McCain was obsessing over the fence.

Support for Democrats isn't all that strong, its just that support for Republicans is far worse -- basically a lesser of two evils.

[Gman]

47. In hindsight, perhaps "reverence" is not the right word

However, people old enough to remember know when Bill was prez, times were good and there was plenty of work at good wages.

They were solidly behind Hillary in 08 and I don't see that changing. The problem will be getying them to go vote.

And yeah, a lot of us have got some pretty funny stories about being in Mexico. Sometimes it seems there's no good reason we didn't end up in a Mexican jail. Most stories have something to do with Boy's Town.

[lovemydog]

38. I'm not so sure about that.

[hrmjustin]

7. Thank you for posting this. Hillary did good today.

[Iliyah]

9. Just not Latinos/Latinas . . .

Here in Los Angeles we have a large population of illegal Asians, followed by Africans and Europeans who will benefit from the immigration laws as well.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Yeah...

My gf is a Filipina but she's a permanent resident . We have Latino and Pacific Islander friends who are undocumented.

[brer cat]

13. Thank you for pointing that out, Iliyah.

For many (most?) people illegal immigrants = Hispanic. We need to remember other groups too.

[Comrade Grumpy]

10. I'm glad she's for immigration reform. It's the Democratic stance to take.

[Vattel]

12. I confess that I am somewhat skeptical, but willing to give her a chance.

Is she calling for fines as a part of the path to citizenship? I am not in favor of punishing people who illegally cross borders out of economic need or political persecution.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. No fines that I am aware of

I watched the entire discussion in its entirety


Viva Hillary !

[Vattel]

18. I ask because fines were part of Obama's immigration reform proposal.

I look forward to seeing the details of her proposal for reform.

[Maedhros]

15. Bernie Sanders has an excellent track record on immigration issues.

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/05/01/bernie-sanders-immigration-policy-track-record/

[JonLP24]

16. I think both Democrats & Republicans overrate immigration reform and its impact on voting support

Republicans lose them on the issue because of the racism of anti-immigration rhetoric under the cover of populist reasons but being in favor of it alone isn't something that guaranties their vote.

For the most part it is a secondary issue especially much more so for citizens of multiple generations.

54% would vote for a candidate that disagrees with Immigration reform (but with that question it would also include literally Hispanics that are against anti-immigration are saying they would vote for a candidate the supports it)


he Nation’s Direction, President Obama and the Situation of Latinos

Some 41% of Latino registered voters say they are satisfied with the way things are going in the country today while 53% are dissatisfied. By comparison, all registered voters are more downbeat about the nation’s direction—just 29% say they are satisfied with the way things are going today, but 65% say they are dissatisfied with the country’s direction (Pew Research Center, 2014e).
Half (49%) of Latino registered voters say they approve of the way President Obama is handling his job as president. This compared with 43% among all registered voters nationwide (Pew Research Center, 2014e).
More than half (56%) of Hispanic registered voters say the situation of Hispanics in the U.S. today is about the same as it was a year ago, 22% say the situation is better and 20% say the situation of the community is worse.

The Political Parties and Issues

The Democratic Party has a strong advantage among Hispanics on the issue of immigration. Half (50%) of Hispanic registered voters say the Democratic Party is better at dealing with immigration compared with 27% that name the Republican Party.
When it comes to dealing with the economy, 44% of Latino registered voters say the Democratic Party is better on the issue while 36% say the Republican Party is better.
On foreign policy, 44% of Hispanic registered voters say the Democratic Party is the party better able to make wise decisions while 32% say the Republican Party is the better party.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/10/29/latino-support-for-democrats-falls-but-democratic-advantage-remains/

A lot of info here there are other polls show that the leading issues are economy & education. Certainly most are in favor but it is a secondary issue more so for US born citizens but I'd be careful with overselling it. I favor it too & support it but there are other issues. I know Hispanics that are as Conservative as anybody that are definitely not voting Democrat but they do have the advantage even though it is dropping (polls vary widely, could go up or down but the marketing doesn't help IMO)

[rhett o rick]

23. This is an issue where Sen Sanders and Clinton agree. But what about Fracking?

Sen Sanders says: "I support the pathway to citizenship, the DREAM Act, and it does a good job on agricultural workers -- there's a lot of good stuff that I do support," he said. "I very much want to vote for this bill, but I'm very, very concerned about the guest worker programs. I voted against it last time for this very reason."

Sen Sanders is against fracking that is destroying our aquifers. Where does Clinton stand?

[TM99]

30. Yes, there is very little difference between the two on this issue.

But those differences are huge.

One is fracking.

The other is the H1B visa extension poison pill.

If those are resolved, Sanders will vote yay.

What are Clinton's stances on those two key issues?

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. I will point out this liittle factoid

the declared opponent for the race to her has a stellar record on immigration. This goes back to his days as a US Congressman.

Here, from activist right wing group

http://immigrationstance.diggersrealm.com/vt/representative_bernie_sanders_record_on_immigration_reform_and_illegal_aliens.html

I expect a muscular debate. There is nothing less than anybody can ask.

Anecdotally some of the latinos I talk to are immigrants, their command of English is not stellar, they can tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the Morena Party in Mexico, and how much they hate Pena Nieto, and how much they love Bernie Sanders. Yup, that one took me by surprise.

[leftofcool]

28. Way to go Hillary.

[ucrdem]

31. Wow.

I'm liking this new Hillary! :

[StarzGuy]

32. Clinton flip-flopped

...she was against it before she was (is now) for it. The it being giving illegal aliens drivers licenses. This is one of the problems I have with politicians. They stick their finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing before making a decision, then when the wind changes they flip-flop. Living in a border state I see a lot of news stories of law violations by illegal aliens or their anchor babies now grown up to become gang bangers.

I am a democratic socialist but in this regard I do not support the lefts position on illegal immigration. I've seen way too much to think else wise.

[MisterP]

33. Hondurans are latinos, ¿verdad?

[dpatbrown]

34. Huge

Big day for Clinton. She certainly distanced herself from the GOP on a huge issue. Smart of her to come out early.

[L0oniX]

35. Great ...so does Jeb.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

42. Immigration is the achilles heel of the republican party

[RoccoR5955]

46. Same position as Sanders. n/t