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The relationship between Senator Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton, the Partys most likely Presidential nominee, goes back to the second half of the Clinton Administration. Warren told me recently that the most dramatic policy fight of her life was one in which Bill and Hillary Clinton were intimately involved. She recalls it as the ten-year war. Between 1995 and 2005, Warren, a professor who had established herself as one of the countrys foremost experts on bankruptcy law, managed to turn an arcane issue of financial regulation into a major political issue.
In the late nineteen-nineties, Congress was trying to pass a bankruptcy bill that Warren felt was written, essentially, by the credit-card industry. For several years, through a growing network of allies in Washington, she helped liberals in Congress fight the bill, but at the end of the Clinton Administration the bill seemed on the verge of passage. Clintons economic team was divided, much as Democrats today are split over economic policy. His progressive aides opposed the bill; aides who were more sympathetic to the financial industry supported it. Warren targeted the one person in the White House who she believed could stop the legislation: the First Lady. They met alone for half an hour, and, according to Warren, Hillary stood up and declared, Well, Im convinced. It is our job to stop that awful bill. You help me and Ill help you. In the Administrations closing weeks, Hillary persuaded Bill Clinton not to sign the legislation, effectively vetoing it.
But just a few months later, in 2001, Hillary was a senator from New York, the home of the financial industry, and she voted in favor of a version of the same bill. It passed, and George W. Bush signed it into law, ending Warrens ten-year war with a crushing defeat. There were a lot of people who voted for that bill who thought that there was going to be no political price to pay, Warren told me.
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The following year, Bill Clinton was replaced by George W. Bush. A new version of the bill was introduced. In Warrens 2003 book, The Two-Income Trap, she describes what happened next:
This time freshman Senator Hillary Clinton voted in favor of the bill. Had the bill been transformed to get rid of all those awful provisions that had so concerned First Lady Hillary Clinton? No. The bill was essentially the same, but Hillary Rodham Clinton was not. As First Lady, Mrs. Clinton had been persuaded that the bill was bad for families, and she was willing to fight for her beliefs. Her husband was a lame duck at the time he vetoed the bill; he could afford to forgo future campaign contributions. As New Yorks newest senator, however, it seems that Hillary Clinton could not afford such a principled position. Campaigns cost money, and that money wasnt coming from families in financial trouble. Senator Clinton received $140,000 in campaign contributions from banking industry executives in a single year, making her one of the top two recipients in the Senate. Big banks were now part of Senator Clintons constituency. She wanted their support, and they wanted hersincluding a vote in favor of that awful bill.
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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/05/04/the-virtual-candidate
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)She was just one senator. Why are you always bashing Hillary Clinton?
cali
(114,904 posts)supporters are promoting about how she has always been a populist.
HORSE SHIT.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I think it's bullshit, not horse shit.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Something lacking when votes that can change the course of the lives of millions are decided by how much money you gain or lose with the vote
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Elizabeth Warren Goes to Bat for Medical Device Industry
Elizabeth Warren, the Democratic star who just last week unveiled a bill targeting the profits of large drug makers, doesnt sound like much of a populist when it comes to another group of big health care corporations, the medical device manufacturers, many of which happen to be headquartered in the Senators home state of Massachusetts. Warrens coziness with those companies is now earning her criticism within her party, with one former Democratic Senate staffer describing some of her positions as repulsive.
http://time.com/3695581/elizabeth-warren-medical-device-lobbyists-obamacare/
Really, one would think that with this type of action Elizabeth Warren should be thrown under the bus and off the populist train... I don't think so, but if one holds another to such a standard, then shouldn't that candidate be held to the same... Here we have EW acting, should we say, a bit holier than thou.... She isn't perfect either and it's time that charade stops.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I missed that!
boston bean
(36,221 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)I am not being snarky, I don't see anything written by Warren. The article in the OP was written by Ryan Lizza and the article you posted was written by Massimo Calabresi.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)then please let me know how it isn't, cause I'm all ears.
marym625
(17,997 posts)As far as the bill, no, I am not thrilled about it. I do have to do more research on the effects of it before I would just trash it. But on the surface, no, not thrilled.
However, she is not running for President and claiming to have always been for the average American while voting for a welfare reform that has harmed so many and the bill in the OP that has harmed so many.
The bankruptcy reform bill caused the corporations and banks to gain while causing so many American families to lose so much. Direct effects on families were immediate and devastating.
While the medical device portion of the bill is not a favorite of mine, the money will not have a direct effect on families and the amount would not have a large effect on the ACA.
Again, I do need to do more research on that portion of the bill. Once I do, I may jump all over it in disagreement. I may not. I know I don't like it on the surface. But there is a huge difference in how much damage the bankruptcy bill has had on American families and what this portion of this bill can have.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)which makes and sells a useful product (medical devices).
Hillary Clinton supported, voted for, and helped passage legislation (the revised bankruptcy law) which is crushing the lives of countless millions of Americans by preventing them from getting out of debt, consequently undermining the entire nation's economy as a whole.
Is there some point you were trying to make? You didn't make it.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)From same article I linked above:
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/11/07/how-killing-the-medical-device-tax-became-one-of-washingtons-top-priorities/
How much does the tax matter to the law? It's not critical. The Joint Committee on Taxation estimates that the tax, which was added to the law to help pay for expanding coverage to an estimated 25 million people, will bring in $29 billion over a decade. That's much less than other the funding sources in the law, like the tax on health insurers ($101.7 billion) or the requirement on medium-sized and large employers to offer coverage ($130 billion).
However, Hillary's bankruptcy bill support is still killing us.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)I say good for you. You are a thinking human being. Others can do the same. That is assuming you don't agree with EW on this?
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)I support Warren supporting honest business in her home state.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... which is the big reason that I didn't support him in 2008. Biden hasn't been too bad as a VP, but I don't think I'd like how he might help facilitate more bills like the bankruptcy bill if he were president, much like I fear Hillary. That is why we need a change to someone like Warren or Sanders.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)karynnj
(59,503 posts)This does not excuse HRC ' S vote, but it distorts the more complicated story.
A version of the bill returned in 2005, that time HRC voted for the filibuster of the bill and missed the actual vote to be with Bill at the hospital for more heart surgery. That bill passed the awful 10th Congress and was signed into law. Kennedy did an incredible job fighting it but lost.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Including one local one, Jim Davis, who was going to run for Governor.
I called him an asshole to his face at an event. But, I had to support the asshole, when he lost to Charlie Crist, because I was a member of our DEC. I resigned shortly thereafter.
Never again will I hold my nose and vote for a Blue Dog, DLC, New Democrat, Third Way sellout again. Today, I change my party affiliation back to Democrat, so I can vote for Sanders in the primary.
a great representative for Wall Street bankers, Wal-Mart, and others who make sure she gets her multimillion dollar income...
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Usually, my eyes gloss over after a page or two, but this was a riveting read.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)in her and her political activities.
K&R