Ralph Nader outlines 2016 plan

[onehandle]

Ralph Nader insists that he’s done with his own presidential races, but he still has some plans for 2016.

“I’m going to find at least ten enlightened billionaires or multibillionaires and I’m going to have a criteria. Have they spoken out about where they think the country is going? And are they worried about it? And have they done things reflecting some sort of civic enlightenment and courage? And are they able to communicate? Obviously, they have the money. And I’m going to encourage them to run.”

Clinton in 2016? No thank you, says Nader.

“We really need a dynasty now? We’ve had twelve years of the Bushes, what — do you want eight more years of the Clintons? Do we really want a redux here or do we want fresh energy and refresh redirection?” Of his specific criticisms of Clinton, Nader says the former Secretary of State “never saw a weapons system she didn’t like, never challenged the Pentagon when she was on the Senate Armed Services Committee.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/ralph-nader-outlines-2016-plan-93286.html

Say... Does Ralph Nader post at Democratic Underground?

Sure sounds like it...

[merrily]

1. "We discuss issues. They discuss us."

[HERVEPA]

2. "a criteria"? Ralph needs some English lessons. Oh, and also, he should shut up.

[CanSocDem]

4. you tell 'em, Einstein. (eom)

[HERVEPA]

11. Ralph is an ass who is responsible for a lot of bad things in this country.

And there is nothing wrong with using correct English. I'm not correcting a DU'er here, I'm correcting Ralph.
And I won't apologize for pointing out incorrect language by a public speaker. Language does matter.

[CanSocDem]

13. Are we talking about the same person here...???

Ralph Nader and PublicCitizen have been doing the Democrats work for at least 50 years. You probably wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for his work in public service.

His idea of marshalling a few billionaires with a conscience to further democracy sounds like a great idea. Too bad that he has to do it in the USA where the general lack of a social conscience is a frightening reality on display every day.

The inability of Americans to separate the message from the messenger is why the corporate ruling class gets away with offering up cardboard cut outs to shoot at, instead of informed discussion.

https://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=183

[HERVEPA]

16. Yeh, I'm talking about fucker who if he had dropped out would have saved

tens or hundreds of thousands of American and Iraqi lives, and probably the creation of ISIS. The one who took Republican money in the race.
Yep, that's the egomaniac fucker I'm talking about. And it doesn't matter that Gore ran a crappy race and stupidly didn't use Clinton or the butterfly ballots or the hanging chads. If Nader had not been on the ballot, we would have been spared a world of hurt. Yeh, that's the fucker I'm talking about. And to say I wouldn't be here (I'm guessing you mean this site?) without him is ludicrous.

[TM99]

18. So you are basing your opinion

on the disproven myth that he 'spoiled' the 2000 election but willfully ignore all of the public safety, ecological, economic, and social activism he has done over the last 50 years?

Definitely aren't a progressive liberal, are you?

[HERVEPA]

23. Disproven myth??????????? Care to cite your proof?

[TM99]

25. You been living under a rock?

Wikipedia to start -

Post recount

On January 6, 2001, a joint session of Congress met to certify the electoral vote. Twenty members of the House of Representatives, most of them Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus, rose one-by-one to file objections to the electoral votes of Florida. However, according to an 1877 law, any such objection had to be sponsored by both a representative and a senator. No senator would co-sponsor these objections, deferring to the Supreme Court's ruling. Therefore, Gore, who presided in his capacity as President of the Senate, ruled each of these objections out of order.[64]

Subsequently, the joint session of Congress certified the electoral votes from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Bush took the oath of office on January 20, 2001. He would serve for the next eight years. Gore declined to run for president in 2004 and 2008.

The first independent recount was conducted by the Miami Herald and USA Today. The commission found that under most recount scenarios, Bush would have won the election, but Gore would have won using the most generous standards.[65]

Ultimately, a media consortium—comprising the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Tribune Co. (parent of the Los Angeles Times), Associated Press, CNN, Palm Beach Post and St. Petersburg Times[66]—hired the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago[67] to examine 175,010 ballots that were collected from the entire state, not just the disputed counties that were discounted; these ballots contained undervotes (votes with no choice made for president) and overvotes (votes made with more than one choice marked). Their goal was to determine the reliability and accuracy of the systems used for the voting process. The NORC concluded that if the disputes over the validity of all the ballots statewide in question had been consistently resolved and any uniform standard applied, the electoral result would have been reversed and Gore would have won by 107–115 votes if only two of the three coders had to agree on the ballot. When counting ballots wherein all three coders agreed, Gore would have won the most restrictive scenario by 127 votes and Bush would have won the most inclusive scenario by 110 votes. Inclusive in media reporting likely refers to including the undervotes (only) as these people were then included in the vote. Whether overvotes were truly nullified in counts is not known.[68]

Subsequent analyses cast further doubt on conclusions that Bush likely would have won anyway, had the U.S. Supreme Court not intervened. An analysis of the NORC data by University of Pennsylvania researcher Steven F. Freeman and journalist Joel Bleifuss concluded that a recount of all uncounted votes using any standard (inclusive, strict, statewide or county by county), Gore would have been the victor.[69] Such a statewide review including all uncounted votes was a very real possibility, as Leon County Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis, whom the Florida Supreme Court had assigned to oversee the statewide recount, had scheduled a hearing for December 13 (mooted by the U.S. Supreme Court's final ruling on the 12th) to consider the question of including overvotes as well as undervotes, and subsequent statements by Judge Lewis and internal court documents support the likelihood of including overvotes in the recount.[70] Florida State University professor of public policy Lance deHaven-Smith observed that, even considering only undervotes, "under any of the five most reasonable interpretations of the Florida Supreme Court ruling, Gore does, in fact, more than make up the deficit".[71] Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting's analysis of the NORC study and media coverage of it supports these interpretations and criticizes the coverage of the study by media outlets such as the New York Times and the other media consortium members.[66]

This link details all of the myths and if you take the time to read all links in it, you will see that your opinion is not factual and is quite ignorant.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth

[HERVEPA]

27. Your response is totally unresponsice to my point.

Perhaps your analytical capabilities are buried under a rock?
Nothing in there refutes what I said, which is "No Nader, Gore wins".
I conceded that he should have won anyhow, doesn't change the fact that if no Nader, Gore is president.

[TM99]

28. Yes, actually, it totally disputes your

position.

Several hundred thousand Democrats voted for Bush in FL. Less than a thousand voted for Nader. Simple math shows why FL was able to get away with the bullshit they did to throw the selection to SCOTUS for their fucked up decision.

It is the Democrats voting for Republicans that made that loss possible.

[HERVEPA]

37. Nope

I live in Philadelphia area, so when the pope comes this year I'll ask him what's holding up Ralph's Sainthood.

[TM99]

38. So typical -

you have nothing to back up your position - no facts whatsoever - and just dismiss anything that conflicts with your emotional certainty.

When the pope comes, you might want to confess your 'sin of ignorance' instead.

[Electric Monk]

29. Jury results: 1-6

On Fri May 8, 2015, 12:57 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

You been living under a rock?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6639858

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Disruptive, rude, obnoxious

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 8, 2015, 01:12 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: After reading the entire sub-thread, I'm inclined to agree with TM99, actually. Ralph Nader is not responsible for the war in Iraq and the creation of ISIS, and that idea deserves ridicule.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I predict a 5 - 4 vote.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not really.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Capt. Obvious]

43. I'm surprised it wasn't 0-7

[Comrade Grumpy]

50. 97,000 Floridians voted for Nader. 308,000 Florida Democrats voted for Bush.

You were saying?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth#

[Gothmog]

3. I really do not care what Nader's plans are

The man has no credibility

[99Forever]

5. Bwahahahah...

... that ought to stir up the neolibs.

[stevenleser]

6. As long as his plans don't include intentionally or unintentionally getting a Republican elected...

...he can do what he wants, I don't care.

[BainsBane]

9. Not too long ago he was hyping up Rand Paul

Someone who would undo all the consumer regulations he worked so hard to make law before he became the cranky, old man muttering in the corner.

[stevenleser]

12. I saw that. Nader and Code Pink both. It's disappointing. I keep telling those folks that

if they are enamored of what appears to be Rand's anti-war stance, just wait, he will thoroughly disappoint you if he gets the chance.

We didn't have to wait, Rand is already calling for increased defense spending.

And as far as regulations, someone should tell Nader that Rand would make being an American worker 'unsafe at any speed'.

[HappyMe]

7. Why would I care what his plans are.

[BainsBane]

8. At this point he's become the cranky, old uncle at Thanksgiving

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. Yup. Farting and looking around like he ain't the one who dealt it. n/t

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

10. Heard he was a Rand Paulite

[Itchinjim]

14. Fuck Ralph Nader.

[FLPanhandle]

15. +1000

[HERVEPA]

17. ** 1000

[MaggieD]

19. Ralph Nader couldn't get a billionaire on the phone...

... if his life depended on it. LOL!

[merrily]

30. That may be a compliment.

[winter is coming]

20. I'm as interested in Nader's opinion as I was 15 years ago.

[tavernier]

21. Hope it involves a giant enema.

Not much left after the flush.

[Chellee]

22. It is interesting...

that he assumes that Hillary will win two terms, and that Jeb Bush will win none.

<We’ve had twelve years of the Bushes, what — do you want eight more years of the Clintons?>

[NuclearDem]

24. "We’ve had twelve years of the Bushes"

...eight of which could have been avoided, only if...

[Scootaloo]

31. ...200,000 Florida Democrats had not voted for Bush

[DURHAM D]

26. Fuck Ralph Nadar.

I loved my '64 Corvair. It was cute.

[CanSocDem]

41. This is the problem...

...in the American electorate.

"I loved my '64 Corvair. It was cute."

A disturbing attraction to junk.

And, no interest in the public good.

.

[Tarheel_Dem]

32. "Ralph Nader calls for a union between libertarians and progressives and the impeachment of Obama"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024886387#post43
Credit to Cali_Democrat

He & his minions have been targeting sites like DU for over a decade now.

[pnwmom]

35. Yup, and he's found a lot of gullible people here. But in this billionaire-for-President thing

he's outdone himself.

Even the most gullible here aren't going to fall for this plan.

[pnwmom]

34. He's going to "find" 10 "enlightened" liberal billionaires we somehow don't know about yet

and convince them to run for President.

No thanks, Nader. Crawl back into your hole.

[DFW]

36. Two years ago, I was standing next to him in Washington

It took ALL my self-control to let him have it, loudly, and in no uncertain terms.

But it was at a celebration of the life of a good friend of mine, so I said nothing.

Fortunately he had not been asked to speak. As the memorial was for another American of Arab descent, I was scared he would be, and I'd have felt obligated to stand up and leave the room.

[n2doc]

39. Just ignore the fool

He has long since jumped the shark. Nader has never found a money source he wouldn't exploit.

[NCTraveler]

40. Nader resonates with people to this day.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6636853

[TM99]

42. I don't know why that is so surprising.

Before some in this thread were even in diapers, Nader was an environmental champion, a civil rights activist, and a consumer safety advocate. All of these things are normally thought of as being leftist, liberal, and progressive causes, you know.

[NCTraveler]

47. They are and I have often supported him.

My point was pretty clear. You missed it by a mile.

[TM99]

48. Your post was not clear in the sea of derision

this thread represents.

You linked to a topic on HRC and banking.

If you were saying you agree, it was a rather unclear way of saying it.

[Renew Deal]

44. Nader and his supporters in 2000 are a big reason why we're in the situation we are now.

Citizens United wouldn't have happened if it weren't for Nader. If he has complaints about "billionaires" he should look in the mirror.

[True Blue Door]

45. Zero fucks given what Ralph Nader has to say on any subject.

[yellowcanine]

46. “I’m going to find at least ten enlightened billionaires or multibillionaires" All you need to

know about Ralph Nader right there. When did he go from consumer champion to looking to billionaires for inspiration? I giv him kudos for honesty anyway. Not many people are willing to admit they have sold out to the billionaires.

[DefenseLawyer]

49. Here's the real Ralph Nader in a nutshell:

"In the 2004 campaign, Democrats such as Howard Dean and Terry McAuliffe asked that Nader return money donated to his campaign by Republicans who were well-known Bush supporters, such as billionaire Richard Egan. Nader's reaction to the request was to refuse to return any donations and he charged that the Democrats were attempting to smear him. Nader's vice-presidential running mate, Peter Camejo, supported the return of the money if it could be proved that 'the aim of the wealthy GOP donors was to peel votes from Kerry.' According to the San Francisco Chronicle, Nader defended his keeping of the donations by saying that wealthy contributors 'are human beings too'."


"Dolla dolla bill, y'all" - Wu Tang Clan, 1993

[workinclasszero]

51. Nader is the best thing that ever happened to the

teahaddist party!