We are not going to get the progressive change that we want until White Working class Americans....

[Yavin4]

get over their racist instincts. Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders could win the presidency in a landslide and very little substantively will change. They would be met with an obstinate federal legislature who would get elected by pandering to racial fears.

[NYC_SKP]

1. Sanders will win. We need to push the DNC to add debates, that is key this week and next. nt

[seabeyond]

9. it depends. is this an effort to disparage clinton in a campaign move to win, or a need for more

debates because needed?

the last i saw on this subject, yesterday morning. it was one campaign worker on another campaign, accusing clinton of something. doesnt do it for me. if i am going to have an issue, i need a whole lot more than this shit.

so, what is the need? i do not particularly see it. but then, i personally only put in about three debates. cause i get a good feel nad need no more. they become repetitive. if you have not figured it out in three, you are not listening.

so. i need more than what you are giving me, to address this issue.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

2. Demographic change might take care of that first.

First, of course, 'white working class Americans' are becoming ever less a percentage of the electorate. Second, well, there are fewer working class Americans of any race around these days...

[seabeyond]

10. demographics. i am seeing it hit the same as obama. or the possibility.

i am seeing it hit the youth and middle/upper. it is going to have the same draw black, too i think. black/socialist.

[upaloopa]

3. I don't think so. Here is the potential as I see it.

We elect a Dem president. Possibly a woman. That also brings with it a Dem Senate on her coat tails. She has a Vice President who is Hispanic or African American. During her term she nominates 4 new liberal Supreme Court justices. They overturn Citizens United and corporations as people. The Congress has minority and women members in record numbers because enthusiastic voters elected them. They pass legislation to create jobs and reverse the income inequality trend.
I see this election as the best chance since Reagan to turn things in a liberal direction
It takes belief in a possitive vision not gloom and doom.

[Yavin4]

5. Sorry. That won't work.

Remember why Joe Wilson yelled, "You Lie", at Obama during his SOTU address? Obama just said that the ACA would not be extended to undocumented workers. Wilson was pandering to White voters when he yelled that.

[upaloopa]

11. It can work and I think it will

We have a bright future if we are willing to grab on to it.

[seabeyond]

12. era. this is more what i am seeing this election and the need. the urgency and the quickest fix.

i agree totally. clinton also has a few others. the nation is accepting her, ot rejecting like in 2008 because woman and clinton. we broke the glass ceiling with obama. it will be much easier the second run. democratics see we can now win with a black, socialist, woman. not scary to us any more.

i mean fuckin shattering that social justice shit... in warrior form.

ya

[seabeyond]

13. we have a state senator in texas insisting women carry dead fetus's, unable to abort.

we have to address state. dire.

[FLPanhandle]

4. If the republicans lose even some white working class votes, they are done

Unfortunately, the Democrats don't have a great message for them.

It's a about jobs and security. Hard to win them over when we are as complacent in shipping jobs overseas as the republicans.

[seabeyond]

7. gerrymandering. they have off years. our reality and fact. we have to be pragmatic and informed.

we have got to address the power of the state and shore up our supreme crt.

[seabeyond]

6. i agree. and why we need to address social justice issue. why i feel it is so important. both

of these two ignore social justice issues and only stay on point of economic populist. i already came to the conclusion that though it will be exciting to hear that voice in office, without social justice way the fuck more balanced, they will be facing everest. and that will not be a comfortable place to start, i do not believe. neither are rock climbers, nor are we as a nation? not gonna happen.

i am being taught there is a reason we sit on progressive. as opposed to populist. i knew this was going to be a kick ass lesson. some of us work faster than others.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. If true, doesn't the same happen with Hillary?

[Yavin4]

14. Yes. Hillary or whatever Dem we nominate and elect.

My point is that it's moot whom we nominate in 2016, 2020, 2024 or whatever year. The issue is that White working class Americans, men in particular, are the only income demo group that reliably votes Republican.

When ALL working class income demographic groups vote their economic interests first, then, and only then, will we see the progressive change that we want.