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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI find I have little sympathy for States that elected crap RW Governors.
I know good people will be hurt,but it was obvious who and what these assholes were before they were elected. And they proved it as soon as they got into office. But for the most part they got re-elected. So as they sink their states in debt, hate and disdain for everyone but the rich, I can only hope that the voters will one day think about the consequences of who they voted for.
So when I here what Walker or Scott or Christie or Abbot or LePage....are doing to destroy their States, I just think, that is what happens when you vote these people into office. Maybe voters will wake up. But they did it to themselves.
Even I find this a little cold, but more and more, that is my reaction.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)edhopper
(33,484 posts)some do.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)After they do that they deserve everything that happens to them, yes?
edhopper
(33,484 posts)Last edited Fri May 8, 2015, 05:51 PM - Edit history (1)
yes we deserved it.
I don't think GWB was elected either time.
randys1
(16,286 posts)And no, W did not win either election.
But I will never forget this
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)The scariest thing here is that right-wing gov's are arising around the world. Britain; Netanyahu's new coalition which is reportedly "the most extreme in Israeli history; Canada; Australia
and that little sliver of land wedged between Canada & Mexico--
Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy
ZACHARY DAVIES BOREN, THE TELEGRAPH
APR. 16, 2014, 8:16 AM 199,112 143
The U.S. government does not represent the interests of the majority of the country's citizens, but is instead ruled by those of the rich and powerful, a new study from Princeton and Northwestern universities has concluded.
The report, "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens" (PDF), used extensive policy data collected between 1981 and 2002 to empirically determine the state of the U.S. political system.
After sifting through nearly 1,800 U.S. policies enacted in that period and comparing them to the expressed preferences of average Americans (50th percentile of income), affluent Americans (90th percentile), and large special interests groups, researchers concluded that the U.S. is dominated by its economic elite.
The peer-reviewed study, which will be taught at these universities in September, says: "The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence."
Researchers concluded that U.S. government policies rarely align with the preferences of the majority of Americans, but do favour special interests and lobbying organizations: "When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favour policy change, they generally do not get it."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4#ixzz3ZaGbFset
It seems to me that the right wing parties of the so-called western democracies either have found or are well-advanced in developing ways to totally ignore the cumulative expressed will of their ordinary citizens.
Here is a cute little poster from Switzerland, which I think speaks for itself:
Wisconsin was just the first target. They're coming now for the rest of you.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)And are we to feel badly about not getting it?
Regards,
A PROUD Wisconsin Democrat
edhopper
(33,484 posts)that my reaction to posts about these shit Governors is, "well, that;s what happens".
You shouldn't, I do feel a little bad about it. But I felt like being honest.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)And is just plain mean. Just being honest.
Because, you see, the people on DU who live in those states worked really hard to stop it and we don't "deserve it".
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Greybnk48
(10,162 posts)Not to mention the overwhelming Koch money that poured in here with ads that were blatant lies, but suckered people in. A prime example is of Walker on T.V. over and over again promising to honor a woman's right to choose, even though it went against his evangelical, talking in tongues protestantism. Now he's moving to ban abortion at 20 weeks which will force some women to have emergency C-sections. Some people believed him.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)And I piss on that notion.
LeftishBrit
(41,203 posts)There are always many such people.
(I don't think I deserve David Cameron...)
I know, but should I feel worse than the majority of the people who actually are responsible for what happens to them?
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Bev Perdue our Democratic Governor at the time waited until way too late to announce she wasn't running. They shoved another Dem in who had no name recognition, hadn't had time to fund raise etc. It was a mess. McCrory's a snake , who pretends he's a moderate when he's campaigning then makes a hard right turn afterwards. A lot of people voted for him simply because they recognized his name, to their everlasting regret..
LeftishBrit
(41,203 posts)Sometimes there are several parties, and the result is unrepresentative due to the electoral system.
Cameron got 36% of the popular vote; still wound up as PM again (and that's also what he got the first time).
Sorry, have a one-track mind at the moment, I admit.
Chellee
(2,091 posts)You have my sympathies. It's really unfair that the majority of the public voted for some version of a liberal and you got a conservative government out of that.
Can't the SNP and Labour work together and just oppose everything he wants to do?
And I apologize if I'm missing really obvious things here. I admit I don't know, well, anything really, about how your system works. But it seems that the SNP has an opportunity to pull Labour to the left in exchange for their support.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)because that discounts the work many of us did trying to keep electiosn from beign STOLEN. Collective punishment, I thought liberals were against that, at least in the mid east. This op is the equivalent of a drone attack, you think you are beign precise, but instead, it targets a lot of people whowill remember you considered them collateral damage.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Their = Republicans and independents, NOT Democrats
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)The Republicans and independents.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I pine and work for the days we are a blue state again...
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Your post is offensive to some of us who live in these states - but voted otherwise.
A little cold . . . that is quite an understatement.
that is my reaction
world wide wally
(21,739 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)He seems to imply those of us who live in states with RW governors should.
edhopper
(33,484 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)I think Scott stole the Florida election twice also . . .
so my conscience is clear
edhopper
(33,484 posts)I've been voting since Nixon.
world wide wally
(21,739 posts)If you don't vote, you quite plain and amply suck. If you worked your ass off trying to get people to vote, but they still didn't you have one of three choices;
1) work harder next time
2) move to a state with an average IQ of more than 19
3) just accept it and spend your not so golden years shaking your heads
I wish there was more, but I am out of ideas for you
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)We who voted against these heinous republicans deserve what we get? Fuck that. Rauner will soon be making Illinois just a shadow of the state it once was.
Disgusting.
So when you here (hear) how the republicans are literally destroying this country AND PLANET, you go ahead and celebrate your holier than thou fucked-up attitude.
Your post really pisses me off.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I live in Florida.
THE OTHER FREAKING VOTERS ELECTED RICK SCOTT, not me or the Democrats.
So we all deserve to suffer ?
I'd say exactly what I think, but I'd get my post hidden for sure.
You're wrong, so wrong.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Were you bucking for most offensive OP of the day, most stupid OP of the day, or both?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)America seems to be getting more conservative lately, especially in state capitals.
More suffering will have to occur before folks wake up...similar to what happened right after GWB's tenure.
Look at what's happening in Texas and Florida. Millions of Americans in those states are getting fucked because GOPers don't want to expand Medicaid under Obamacare....even though most of the cost will be paid for by the federal government.
Tens of thousands will die so the the GOP can please their whackjob base.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)how come the GOP has lost the popular vote 5 out of the last 6 Presidential elections?
How come the Dems will start out with 247 electoral votes in 2016 while the GOP would have to win pretty much every single swing state to win the Presidential election? The math looks horrible for them and they know it.
The GOP whackjob base led them to a bitter defeat in 2012 when they forced Romney to the right and he started talking about self-deportation in the debates which led to Obama taking a huge share of the Latino vote. This doomed Romney.
Now it's happening again because of their reaction to Obama's executive immigration order.
Sure, in states like Alabama and South Carolina, the GOP base is powerful, but they only appeal to white people.
At the national level, the GOP is slowly becoming marginalized as the nation becomes more diverse and the GOP can only appeal to their lily white base. They have completely alienated blacks, Hispanics and Asians...the ethnic groups which are growing the fastest and are increasingly becoming Democratic voters.
Whites are becoming a smaller and smaller share of the electorate every year. The growing electorate is voting Dem.
They can only win in years like 2014 when there's record low turnout. Their other hope is to suppress the vote through measures like voter id even though they cannot prove voter fraud.
More powerful than anything out there?
Don't make me fucking laugh.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Even the second most powerful political force (the neo-con corporate right) has to sniff the tails of the wackos. The measure of power is the ability to be in control of the political process, vote totals or no. The whack jobs wag the dog and other than the occasional irritability from the neo-cons, there is little material opposition; most Democratic office holders align themselves with the Democratic Leaderless Council, or whatever the unlabeled flavor-of-the-month is. S. Carolina is a worry, but not as much as Texas or for god's sake Florida: in both these states the Democratic Party is moribund or an impediment.
The mass extinction theory of politics always rears its head in these discussions. Twenty yrs ago prohibitionists were predicting victory in the WOD when the hippies "die off." So don't expect the Far Right to remain static. GWB got his career started and maintained it by cutting out huge chunks of the Mexican-American vote in Texas.
The best strategy, IMO, is the complete take over of the Party and to offer meaningful opposition. Without opposition, any blow hole on the Right with 20% of the eligible vote can win in most elections. That's what is happening now.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)If an alcoholic can drink without consequence, he or she will never stop drinking.
etc
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)that is just a needed path to glory? By the way, Those of us fightign the good fight vote democratic under much harder conditiobns than someone in a blue state (even though we did turn florida blue twice) Do not make our job harder than it is, because friendly fire isn't.
reddread
(6,896 posts)inconceivable?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)he won both races with a plurality, because there was an independent running each time. Last time, in fact, Cutler was far enough ahead of the Dem that the calls were for the Dem to drop out!
So the majority of Down Easters clearly oppose him, but are stuck with him.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,155 posts)Sorry, I just don't see where you are going here. Collective punishment is a fault premise.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Will they one day think about the consequences of not voting?
If we had close to 100% turnout, we could have flipped some of those races, certainly Le Pew and probably Walker and Scott. In NJ, the problem was that we saw Krispy Kreme as invincible and ran a sacrificial lamb.
rock
(13,218 posts)So I don't blame you for the reaction.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I do not blame Democrats and those who turned out and voted just because they lost the election. I don't blame people who tried to vote but found that voter ID laws or a state that did not proived enouugh voting machines or use the law to disenfranchise people.
I blame the poor choice of those who voted for Republicans and thsoe who could not be bothered to vote.
edhopper
(33,484 posts)I fault the people who voted for these creeps and hope they wake up one day when they see what they voted for.