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edhopper

(33,484 posts)
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:06 PM May 2015

I find I have little sympathy for States that elected crap RW Governors.

I know good people will be hurt,but it was obvious who and what these assholes were before they were elected. And they proved it as soon as they got into office. But for the most part they got re-elected. So as they sink their states in debt, hate and disdain for everyone but the rich, I can only hope that the voters will one day think about the consequences of who they voted for.

So when I here what Walker or Scott or Christie or Abbot or LePage....are doing to destroy their States, I just think, that is what happens when you vote these people into office. Maybe voters will wake up. But they did it to themselves.

Even I find this a little cold, but more and more, that is my reaction.

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I find I have little sympathy for States that elected crap RW Governors. (Original Post) edhopper May 2015 OP
Do you think a lot of Democrats votes for the republican governors? Thinkingabout May 2015 #1
Not a lot edhopper May 2015 #3
I am one who does not. Thinkingabout May 2015 #10
I feel the same way about countries that elected crap RW Presidents Fumesucker May 2015 #2
If you're are talking about Reagan edhopper May 2015 #5
We not only deserved what Reagan did, we are experiencing his hell to this day. randys1 May 2015 #32
Jumped me again, Fumey. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #11
Who asked for your sympathy? PeaceNikki May 2015 #4
I just find edhopper May 2015 #7
Well, when people proclaim "we deserve it" it reeks of ignorance and arrogance. PeaceNikki May 2015 #9
+1 nt steve2470 May 2015 #22
Amen to that, PeaceNikki. Greybnk48 May 2015 #49
^THIS^ It's like saying FUCK DEMOCRATS in Texas! Look who their Governor is! cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #47
What about the people who didn't vote for the RW governors? LeftishBrit May 2015 #6
Yep edhopper May 2015 #8
Well , we wound up with our crap Governor in NC because octoberlib May 2015 #12
It may not always be a majority of the people LeftishBrit May 2015 #14
It's okay. You don't have to apologize. Chellee May 2015 #48
cop out DonCoquixote May 2015 #43
ponder on their ignorance..... nuff said steve2470 May 2015 #13
You think us Democrats in states with (R) governors are "ignorant"? PeaceNikki May 2015 #16
no, of course not, I was referring to the OTHER voters steve2470 May 2015 #18
I hear ya, hard to have respect for my state sometimes. Now it is worse than ever. Rex May 2015 #15
So how did you feel when gwb was elected? That you did it to yourself? DrDan May 2015 #17
Bush was appointed, not elected world wide wally May 2015 #20
whatever . . . does the OP feel any sense of responsibility for it? DrDan May 2015 #23
See post #5 nt edhopper May 2015 #26
that's convenient DrDan May 2015 #33
convenient how? edhopper May 2015 #41
The old excuse about voter turnout being low is weak and stale. world wide wally May 2015 #19
So somehow in your messed up reasoning... MerryBlooms May 2015 #21
Your post (not you, juries) is cold and unfeeling steve2470 May 2015 #24
Clear something up for me? winter is coming May 2015 #25
Unfortunately, it takes suffering for the majority of people to wake up Cali_Democrat May 2015 #27
The GOP's "whack job" base is more powerful than anything out there. Eleanors38 May 2015 #29
If they're so powerful... Cali_Democrat May 2015 #30
Laughing is good for you. But I stand by by statement. Eleanors38 May 2015 #46
Another of these posts. meh. Fact: No Opposition. nt Eleanors38 May 2015 #28
It is ESSENTIAL they experience GREAT pain, otherwise we can never fix this. randys1 May 2015 #31
so if an alcoholic runs over a family.. DonCoquixote May 2015 #44
ever consider the possibility of stolen elections? reddread May 2015 #34
... handmade34 May 2015 #42
... reddread May 2015 #45
Le Pew is a special case KamaAina May 2015 #35
So that includes those red states Maryland and Massachusetts? Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #36
What about the nonvoters? KamaAina May 2015 #37
I certainly have less sympathy for them than maybe I should have rock May 2015 #38
States have a government elected by a majority of those who vote Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #39
I agree edhopper May 2015 #40

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
2. I feel the same way about countries that elected crap RW Presidents
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:08 PM
May 2015

After they do that they deserve everything that happens to them, yes?

edhopper

(33,484 posts)
5. If you're are talking about Reagan
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:11 PM
May 2015

Last edited Fri May 8, 2015, 05:51 PM - Edit history (1)

yes we deserved it.

I don't think GWB was elected either time.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
32. We not only deserved what Reagan did, we are experiencing his hell to this day.
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:13 PM
May 2015

And no, W did not win either election.

But I will never forget this


Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
11. Jumped me again, Fumey.
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:23 PM
May 2015

The scariest thing here is that right-wing gov's are arising around the world. Britain; Netanyahu's new coalition which is reportedly "the most extreme in Israeli history; Canada; Australia…

and that little sliver of land wedged between Canada & Mexico--

Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy
ZACHARY DAVIES BOREN, THE TELEGRAPH
APR. 16, 2014, 8:16 AM 199,112 143


The U.S. government does not represent the interests of the majority of the country's citizens, but is instead ruled by those of the rich and powerful, a new study from Princeton and Northwestern universities has concluded.

The report, "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens" (PDF), used extensive policy data collected between 1981 and 2002 to empirically determine the state of the U.S. political system.

After sifting through nearly 1,800 U.S. policies enacted in that period and comparing them to the expressed preferences of average Americans (50th percentile of income), affluent Americans (90th percentile), and large special interests groups, researchers concluded that the U.S. is dominated by its economic elite.

The peer-reviewed study, which will be taught at these universities in September, says: "The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence."

Researchers concluded that U.S. government policies rarely align with the preferences of the majority of Americans, but do favour special interests and lobbying organizations: "When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favour policy change, they generally do not get it."


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4#ixzz3ZaGbFset


It seems to me that the right wing parties of the so-called western democracies either have found or are well-advanced in developing ways to totally ignore the cumulative expressed will of their ordinary citizens.

Here is a cute little poster from Switzerland, which I think speaks for itself:



Wisconsin was just the first target. They're coming now for the rest of you.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
4. Who asked for your sympathy?
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:11 PM
May 2015

And are we to feel badly about not getting it?

Regards,
A PROUD Wisconsin Democrat

edhopper

(33,484 posts)
7. I just find
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:12 PM
May 2015

that my reaction to posts about these shit Governors is, "well, that;s what happens".

You shouldn't, I do feel a little bad about it. But I felt like being honest.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
9. Well, when people proclaim "we deserve it" it reeks of ignorance and arrogance.
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:15 PM
May 2015

And is just plain mean. Just being honest.

Because, you see, the people on DU who live in those states worked really hard to stop it and we don't "deserve it".

Greybnk48

(10,162 posts)
49. Amen to that, PeaceNikki.
Sat May 9, 2015, 02:34 PM
May 2015

Not to mention the overwhelming Koch money that poured in here with ads that were blatant lies, but suckered people in. A prime example is of Walker on T.V. over and over again promising to honor a woman's right to choose, even though it went against his evangelical, talking in tongues protestantism. Now he's moving to ban abortion at 20 weeks which will force some women to have emergency C-sections. Some people believed him.

LeftishBrit

(41,203 posts)
6. What about the people who didn't vote for the RW governors?
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:12 PM
May 2015

There are always many such people.

(I don't think I deserve David Cameron...)

edhopper

(33,484 posts)
8. Yep
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:14 PM
May 2015

I know, but should I feel worse than the majority of the people who actually are responsible for what happens to them?

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
12. Well , we wound up with our crap Governor in NC because
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:25 PM
May 2015

Bev Perdue our Democratic Governor at the time waited until way too late to announce she wasn't running. They shoved another Dem in who had no name recognition, hadn't had time to fund raise etc. It was a mess. McCrory's a snake , who pretends he's a moderate when he's campaigning then makes a hard right turn afterwards. A lot of people voted for him simply because they recognized his name, to their everlasting regret..

LeftishBrit

(41,203 posts)
14. It may not always be a majority of the people
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015

Sometimes there are several parties, and the result is unrepresentative due to the electoral system.

Cameron got 36% of the popular vote; still wound up as PM again (and that's also what he got the first time).

Sorry, have a one-track mind at the moment, I admit.

Chellee

(2,091 posts)
48. It's okay. You don't have to apologize.
Sat May 9, 2015, 02:11 PM
May 2015

You have my sympathies. It's really unfair that the majority of the public voted for some version of a liberal and you got a conservative government out of that.

Can't the SNP and Labour work together and just oppose everything he wants to do?

And I apologize if I'm missing really obvious things here. I admit I don't know, well, anything really, about how your system works. But it seems that the SNP has an opportunity to pull Labour to the left in exchange for their support.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
43. cop out
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:30 PM
May 2015

because that discounts the work many of us did trying to keep electiosn from beign STOLEN. Collective punishment, I thought liberals were against that, at least in the mid east. This op is the equivalent of a drone attack, you think you are beign precise, but instead, it targets a lot of people whowill remember you considered them collateral damage.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. I hear ya, hard to have respect for my state sometimes. Now it is worse than ever.
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015

I pine and work for the days we are a blue state again...

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
17. So how did you feel when gwb was elected? That you did it to yourself?
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:35 PM
May 2015

Your post is offensive to some of us who live in these states - but voted otherwise.

A little cold . . . that is quite an understatement.

that is my reaction

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
23. whatever . . . does the OP feel any sense of responsibility for it?
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:45 PM
May 2015

He seems to imply those of us who live in states with RW governors should.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
33. that's convenient
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:27 PM
May 2015

I think Scott stole the Florida election twice also . . .

so my conscience is clear

world wide wally

(21,739 posts)
19. The old excuse about voter turnout being low is weak and stale.
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:37 PM
May 2015

If you don't vote, you quite plain and amply suck. If you worked your ass off trying to get people to vote, but they still didn't you have one of three choices;
1) work harder next time
2) move to a state with an average IQ of more than 19
3) just accept it and spend your not so golden years shaking your heads
I wish there was more, but I am out of ideas for you

MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
21. So somehow in your messed up reasoning...
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:40 PM
May 2015

We who voted against these heinous republicans deserve what we get? Fuck that. Rauner will soon be making Illinois just a shadow of the state it once was.

Disgusting.

So when you here (hear) how the republicans are literally destroying this country AND PLANET, you go ahead and celebrate your holier than thou fucked-up attitude.

Your post really pisses me off.



steve2470

(37,457 posts)
24. Your post (not you, juries) is cold and unfeeling
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:49 PM
May 2015

I live in Florida.

THE OTHER FREAKING VOTERS ELECTED RICK SCOTT, not me or the Democrats.

So we all deserve to suffer ?

I'd say exactly what I think, but I'd get my post hidden for sure.

You're wrong, so wrong.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
25. Clear something up for me?
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:54 PM
May 2015

Were you bucking for most offensive OP of the day, most stupid OP of the day, or both?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
27. Unfortunately, it takes suffering for the majority of people to wake up
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:55 PM
May 2015

America seems to be getting more conservative lately, especially in state capitals.

More suffering will have to occur before folks wake up...similar to what happened right after GWB's tenure.

Look at what's happening in Texas and Florida. Millions of Americans in those states are getting fucked because GOPers don't want to expand Medicaid under Obamacare....even though most of the cost will be paid for by the federal government.

Tens of thousands will die so the the GOP can please their whackjob base.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
30. If they're so powerful...
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:07 PM
May 2015

how come the GOP has lost the popular vote 5 out of the last 6 Presidential elections?

How come the Dems will start out with 247 electoral votes in 2016 while the GOP would have to win pretty much every single swing state to win the Presidential election? The math looks horrible for them and they know it.

The GOP whackjob base led them to a bitter defeat in 2012 when they forced Romney to the right and he started talking about self-deportation in the debates which led to Obama taking a huge share of the Latino vote. This doomed Romney.

Now it's happening again because of their reaction to Obama's executive immigration order.

Sure, in states like Alabama and South Carolina, the GOP base is powerful, but they only appeal to white people.

At the national level, the GOP is slowly becoming marginalized as the nation becomes more diverse and the GOP can only appeal to their lily white base. They have completely alienated blacks, Hispanics and Asians...the ethnic groups which are growing the fastest and are increasingly becoming Democratic voters.

Whites are becoming a smaller and smaller share of the electorate every year. The growing electorate is voting Dem.

They can only win in years like 2014 when there's record low turnout. Their other hope is to suppress the vote through measures like voter id even though they cannot prove voter fraud.

More powerful than anything out there?

Don't make me fucking laugh.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
46. Laughing is good for you. But I stand by by statement.
Sat May 9, 2015, 12:39 PM
May 2015

Even the second most powerful political force (the neo-con corporate right) has to sniff the tails of the wackos. The measure of power is the ability to be in control of the political process, vote totals or no. The whack jobs wag the dog and other than the occasional irritability from the neo-cons, there is little material opposition; most Democratic office holders align themselves with the Democratic Leaderless Council, or whatever the unlabeled flavor-of-the-month is. S. Carolina is a worry, but not as much as Texas or for god's sake Florida: in both these states the Democratic Party is moribund or an impediment.

The mass extinction theory of politics always rears its head in these discussions. Twenty yrs ago prohibitionists were predicting victory in the WOD when the hippies "die off." So don't expect the Far Right to remain static. GWB got his career started and maintained it by cutting out huge chunks of the Mexican-American vote in Texas.

The best strategy, IMO, is the complete take over of the Party and to offer meaningful opposition. Without opposition, any blow hole on the Right with 20% of the eligible vote can win in most elections. That's what is happening now.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
31. It is ESSENTIAL they experience GREAT pain, otherwise we can never fix this.
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:11 PM
May 2015

If an alcoholic can drink without consequence, he or she will never stop drinking.

etc

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
44. so if an alcoholic runs over a family..
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:32 PM
May 2015

that is just a needed path to glory? By the way, Those of us fightign the good fight vote democratic under much harder conditiobns than someone in a blue state (even though we did turn florida blue twice) Do not make our job harder than it is, because friendly fire isn't.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
35. Le Pew is a special case
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:30 PM
May 2015

he won both races with a plurality, because there was an independent running each time. Last time, in fact, Cutler was far enough ahead of the Dem that the calls were for the Dem to drop out!

So the majority of Down Easters clearly oppose him, but are stuck with him.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
36. So that includes those red states Maryland and Massachusetts?
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:32 PM
May 2015

Sorry, I just don't see where you are going here. Collective punishment is a fault premise.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
37. What about the nonvoters?
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:33 PM
May 2015

Will they one day think about the consequences of not voting?

If we had close to 100% turnout, we could have flipped some of those races, certainly Le Pew and probably Walker and Scott. In NJ, the problem was that we saw Krispy Kreme as invincible and ran a sacrificial lamb.

rock

(13,218 posts)
38. I certainly have less sympathy for them than maybe I should have
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:38 PM
May 2015

So I don't blame you for the reaction.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
39. States have a government elected by a majority of those who vote
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:53 PM
May 2015

I do not blame Democrats and those who turned out and voted just because they lost the election. I don't blame people who tried to vote but found that voter ID laws or a state that did not proived enouugh voting machines or use the law to disenfranchise people.

I blame the poor choice of those who voted for Republicans and thsoe who could not be bothered to vote.

edhopper

(33,484 posts)
40. I agree
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:26 PM
May 2015

I fault the people who voted for these creeps and hope they wake up one day when they see what they voted for.

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