Dad confesses to murdering family on Facebook to save daughter from migraines

[KamaAina]

Not The Onion!!

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Reports-Dad-confesses-to-murdering-family-on-6251468.php

According to reports coming out of British Columbia, a father took to Facebook to describe in detail how and why he allegedly murdered his family before setting his house on fire during a standoff with police.

The Province newspaper in Vancouver is reporting that Randy Jazen, of Rosedale, B.C., is suspected to have murdered his wife, sister, and adult daughter in a home which was apparently later set on fire....

The note allegedly posted by Janzen to Facebook begins: "Over the last 10 days I have done some of the worst things I could have ever imagined a person doing. First to do with my dear, sweet loving daughter Emily. The best little girl two parents could ever hope for"

Janzen goes on to explain that his daughter, Emily, had been struggling with migraines: "I just could not see my little girl hurt for one more second... I took a gun and shot her in the head and now she is migraine free and floating in the clouds on a sunny afternoon, her long beautiful brown hair flowing in the breeze, a true angel... Now my family is pain free and in heaven," he wrote."

Migraines?! This is the mentality behind physician-assisted suicide (now legal in Canada): that life with a painful, disabling medical condition is not worth living.

This brings back memories of the Tracy Latimer case. Tracy was a young girl in Saskatchewan who had cerebral palsy. Her dad also killed her to relieve her of her pain. There was a nationwide outpouring of sympathy -- for him.

[LeftInTX]

1. She's beautiful

Maybe he won't get off in this case --- he killed other family members too.

[Cal Carpenter]

2. I find it disturbing that you use this article

to make a case against physician-assisted suicide

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

7. Ditto.

Physician assisted suicide isn't done with a gun. This is just regular old deranged murder.

[DeadLetterOffice]

12. Wholeheartedly agree

This case most likely is about mental illness and access to lethal weapons. Doesn't have a damn thing to do with Dignity in Dying legislation, and the OP knows it.

[MoonRiver]

14. Same here. NO comparison.

[winter is coming]

16. So do I, and I suffered from horrific migraines for many years.

A family annihilator is nothing like physician-assisted suicide.

[Duppers]

60. ^^^ Absolutely!

Suicide is a Choice!

What these men have done is Murder!

The OP's lack of logic is most troubling.

[REP]

25. Agree. Cheap and exploitive

[Electric Monk]

36. Jury results for the OP: 3-4

On Fri May 8, 2015, 08:09 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Dad confesses to murdering family on Facebook to save daughter from migraines
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026643962

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The OP is being flat out dishonest. This story has nothing to do with assisted suicide. I have no idea what the OP's agenda is, but this is not progressive at all.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 8, 2015, 08:26 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a misuse of the alert system.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you disagree with the OP bringing assisted suicide into this, then say so. I just can't stand mewling cowards who feel the need to shut someone up behind the scenes. Use your words and don't expect other people to fight your battles for you next time you have a fit.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agreed, had nothing to do with assisted suicide. These were murders.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Trying to tie this mass murder to physician-assisted suicide is intellectually dishonest, agreed.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

I was juror #5.

[Codeine]

42. Yeah, that's some bullshit. nt

[NutmegYankee]

70. Completely agree!

This is really disgusting!

[gollygee]

72. +1

This has nothing to do with that.

[Fla Dem]

86. Whenever I start to feel sorry for myself, I just thank God I'm still alive.

Whenever I start to feel sorry for myself, I just thank God I'm still alive. I complain about all the pain, but at least I'm here to feel it.

Post on the daughter's FB page on 4/124/2015.

This was murder pure and simple. PAS is when the person has an incurable, debilitating conditions and they request to end their life. Not so this case. Sounds like the dad just couldn't take it anymore. So very selfish.

[elehhhhna]

3. imo this is not the mentality if physician assisted Suicide

It was not his decision to make. He was disturbed. Murdered 3 people to help his daughter? A bullshit after the fact justification, maybe.

[markpkessinger]

38. Exactly . . .

Thank you!

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Well at least there was a crime actually confessed on FB

Two long days at court. So my congratulations to the Prosecutors on this case.

We are following a local case where the DA tried to build a case on FB postings that lacked any evidence to knowledge of an actual crime.

[cali]

5. wtf? what does this psychotic piece of shit have to do with

physician assisted suicide? NOTHING. Fucking nothing at all. I mean what the hell? He murdered five members of his family.

Do explain the connection between physician assisted suicide and this case.

[KamaAina]

13. The all-too-common idea that life with pain and/or disability is not worth living

I am not making a direct comparison, as Emily did not choose to be murdered, but had Daddy not fallen into the trap of viewing her illness as literally a fate worse than death, she would not have been.

[DeadLetterOffice]

19. Bullshit

Daddy would've come up with another reason for his rampage. Family annihilators have nothing to do with Death with Dignity Legislation. And you know that.

[KamaAina]

21. But he didn't.

And that is my point.

[Humanist_Activist]

28. No, your point is to create a false equivalence, to lie, to attempt to spread FUD...

and fail at it badly.

[winter is coming]

34. Which is a spectacularly poor way to convince people that physician-assisted suicide

is a bad thing.

[Humanist_Activist]

35. Yeah, I know, it would be more convincing to use truly equivalent scenarios...

granted, most of those are theoretical, but still, this story, while tragic, is NOT it.

[cali]

23. And that also has nothing at all to do with physician

assisted suicide


Shame on you.

[yardwork]

39. The murderer is clearly mentally ill. Barking mad.

He sounds like he suffers from schizophrenia. He's completely delusional. He wasn't reasoning at all.

[morningfog]

49. It seems the OP considers physician assisted suicide a type or mental illness.

That's my take away.

[KamaAina]

51. The OP considers PAS dangerous to people with disabilities.

That's my take away.

[morningfog]

52. Fine. That's you're opinion. I disagree, but there is still

the question of how you get from a man who murdered his family to PAS.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Yet, you see a connection.

[KamaAina]

55. It is all about the underlying mentality

that disability is a fate worse than death. I know poeple who have been told, to their face, "I'd rather be dead than be like you."

[morningfog]

56. The underlying mentality here was mental illness.

Which is far far far different than a doctor advising someone who is terminally ill or in untreatable and incessant pain.

You are not the judge of whether someone pain is so great that the only treatment available to them is their death. That is a choice they make with their physician's advice.

Here, a man murdered his family. That was his choice, not the victims. It is shameful to use this tragedy as on par with physician assisted suicide. You should delete the OP.

[yardwork]

66. The underlying mentality in this case is no mt what you say, though.

The murderer's underlying mentality is revealed by his murder of the entire family. The other members of his family had no disability. His mind is disordered. You can't use this as an example of what you say it is. You're making your argument look silly.

There may be valid arguments against physician associated suicide but this example doesn't support them.

The difference is that with PAS the person decides that they want to commit suicide. The victims in this case you cite made no such choice.

[bananas]

40. It's amazing that went over so many heads. nt

[Feron]

71. This has nothing to do with migraines or disability.

If it weren't for migraines it would've been something else. I had a semester in school with many absences due to migraines. It sucked, but it was far from hopeless or fatal. It just took time to find a prevention and treatment plan that worked.

It's an absolute false equivalence between a migraine sufferer and someone who has a terminal illness and decides to die on their on terms.

You're not helping people with disabilities.

[LisaL]

6. What did he kill his wife and sister for?

He doesn't claim they had migraines.

[elehhhhna]

8. "then I shot laurel because no mother

Should ever have to hear the news that her baby has died. Then I shot my sister because...etc.

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2015/05/08/a-fathers-disturbing-confession-to-murder/

[LisaL]

11. He is just a Prince, isn't he?

[elehhhhna]

62. benevolent, in his mind

And then too cowardly to off himself...

[Lars39]

9. You are fearmongering.

He murdered because he wanted to murder.

[KamaAina]

15. Then why did he pick her migraines as his excuse?

[winter is coming]

17. Because it's a way of distancing himself from the act.

Dig into this guy's life and you'll likely find the true stressor is a recent job loss or threat of job loss... or perhaps that his marriage was breaking up.

[Lars39]

29. You said it yourself...

his excuse. Another day and it might have been constipation or something.

[uppityperson]

33. Why would he pick anything as his Excuse? Because it was an excuse to murder.

Because he was mentally ill. Shame on your trying to compare this murder with the Death with Dignity issue.

[wheniwasincongress]

85. Wow

[Humanist_Activist]

10. Could you dip any lower into the bowels of depravity? What an atrocious exploitative use of this...

tragedy to further your own agenda! Shame on you.

[DeadLetterOffice]

18. Also, you're wrong about Latimer's prison sentence.

After being convicted of 2nd degree murder (twice, 1st conviction was overturned on appeal), he was incarcerated on January 18, 2001. He didn't begin parole in March 2008. Not long enough in my opinion, but hardly "six whole months."

[KamaAina]

20. Edited.

[DeadLetterOffice]

22. Thank you.

[Lochloosa]

24. You didn't complete the editing. IMO

[REP]

26. Please document a physician prescribing family annihilation for anything

I'll wait.

[REP]

27. Typical Pro-Lie tactics: when the facts aren't there, just make shit up

[KamaAina]

46. "Pro-Lie"?

How many clinics have you defended? I will wager less than I have. Conflating abortion with assisted suicide is far more of a reach than what I did here.

[REP]

80. You lose that bet.

I was an escort during the so-called Summer of Mercy.

[KamaAina]

81. Cool! Then you'll understand this

conflating abortion with assisted suicide plays right into the anti's' hands, by equating a fetus with a living person.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

30. This has zero to do with assisted suicide

It's a psycho making a bullshit defense

Shame on you.

[KamaAina]

47. But look at what defense he made

There it is.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

77. The man is a psychopath

There it is.

[Warpy]

31. This has absolutely nothing to do with physician assisted suicide

and shame on you for making the comparison between a murderer with mental problems and a program to offer terminally ill patients death with dignity.

A sane man would have taken his daughter in for treatment. A saner man might have had the insight to realize his own issues were taking a murderous turn and presented himself for treatment.

This man killed his wife and daughter because of his problems, not theirs. His Farcebook post was an attempt at rationalizing a heinous double murder.

[KamaAina]

45. 'Farcebook' FTW!

[uppityperson]

32. This is in no way any way comparable to "physician-assisted suicide". It is murder and

there is no comparison. Trying to compare these is a cheap shot not only against those murdered here but against those who have chosen to end their lives in their own way.

[KamaAina]

44. It is not at all comparable

but the underlying issue of devaluing disability is the same.

[polly7]

48. Do you really believe the words of a murderer using it as an excuse?

Physician assisted suicide doesn't 'devalue disability'. Can you come up with a case of it here that's actually relevant?

[KamaAina]

53. A cancer patient in Oregon got told that her chemo wouldn't be covered

but assisted suicide would be.

http://www.kval.com/news/26140519.html

"I'm not ready, I'm not ready to die," the Springfield woman said. "I've got things I'd still like to do."

Her doctor offered hope in the new chemotherapy drug Tarceva, but the Oregon Health Plan sent her a letter telling her the cancer treatment was not approved.

Instead, the letter said, the plan would pay for comfort care, including "physician aid in dying," better known as assisted suicide.

"I told them, I said, 'Who do you guys think you are?' You know, to say that you'll pay for my dying, but you won't pay to help me possibly live longer?' " Wagner said.

Of course, this was in the Lower 48, where healthcare is practically barbaric compared to what you're used to in the Great White North.

[polly7]

57. Well that's horrible.

My dad's doctor took away his hope before we even had a chance to begin to fight, I can only imagine how awful this had to have been for this woman. I agree that it's something that has to be regulated very closely - but every human being deserves the right to die with dignity once they've considered every option and made up their mind. I hope her doctor was reported.

[winter is coming]

59. That's an indictment of US healthcare, but it's got nothing to do with PAS.

Reading the article, coverage for the chemo was denied because there's a longstanding policy not to reimburse for chemo than will only prolong life, without the potential for saving it. The woman in question must have been terminally ill. Because she lived in Oregon, the doctor's aid in dying included the possibility of PAS, but if she'd lived in a state where that's not legal, she still wouldn't have received the drug. Instead, she would have received palliative care until she died or the pain meds stopped working and she either committed suicide without a doctor's assistance or she asked to be taking off of IV feeding.

[yardwork]

67. That is disgraceful but still not an argument against making a choice legal.

Our health care system is fucked up, no question.

[Godhumor]

73. Which still doesn't support your contention

An article showing that cancer treatment is not covered is still not comparable to maintaining that physician assisted suicide can be used to target disabled people.

The first time a state allows guardians to choose PAS for a disabled, non-terminal dependent you will have a case. Somehow, I think you have a very long time to wait before that happens.

[uppityperson]

54. Death with Dignity neither devalues disability nor has anything to do with disability

Physician assisted suicide, death with dignity, is not about disability but about chosing your time and method of death when you are terminal.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

69. ...says the person who just compared it.

"This is the mentality behind physician-assisted suicide (now legal in Canada): that life with a painful, disabling medical condition is not worth living. "

Shame on you.

[951-Riverside]

37. Re: "Not The Onion!!"

First you dig into physician-assisted suicide then you find humor in this tragedy?

What the fuck is your problem?

[KamaAina]

43. I found the headline to be rather Onion-like

I find it preposterous that anyone would take his own daughter's life over migraines.

[morningfog]

50. It is preposterous. Good you recognize it has nothing

in common whatsoever with physician assisted suicide.

[polly7]

41. This has NOTHING to do with being allowed to die with dignity, and it's pretty damned

scrummy that you're doing this.

There was much more 'nationwide sympathy' for Tracy Latimer ............ and yes, many did empathize with her her father, Robert, it was a terrible thing all the way around.

My dad died on his own terms but he didn't have the luxury of physician-assisted suicide. When I think of what people like him torture themselves with emotionally getting to that point, reading crap like this really pisses me off. If you're against it, provide real reasons - not tragedies that have absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Mariana]

58. Maybe if his religion didn't teach him

that there's another life after this one, and that it's much better than this one, he wouldn't have been so quick to pull the trigger. He says his family are in heaven and if he really believes that, then in his mind he's done the most loving thing he could possibly do for them by sending them there.

[Egnever]

61. My first reaction as well

I think you could make a much better case of religion being to blame than assisted suicide

[Marr]

63. He murdered her so she'd be in heaven. This is more of an argument against religion than

physician assisted suicide. Much more.

[Lint Head]

64. Physician assisted suicide is the choice of the person who

will die. Suicide in itself by definition is a choice. For someone else to decide you will die is not suicide.

[KamaAina]

76. But that choice can be influenced by family, doctors, etc.

See the case of Barbara Wagner upthread where she was told that Medicaid would pay for her suicide but not her chemo.

[polly7]

78. Do you believe in humane ending of life for your pet? I hope so.

I've had to take some of mine in and hold them close and tell them how much I loved them as the vet did her work. They were suffering, and I felt very badly afterwards for dragging it out as long as I did - it was selfish of me. Why don't humans deserve the same right to go, when they know their condition is terminal or their pain unrelenting and un-treatable? There are safeguards in place to ensure their competency and that they haven't been influenced against their wishes. Their body - their right. My dad, to spare all of us from what he feared was a terminal illness and all it would involve, felt he had to use a gun.

The unanimous ruling, by establishing that the “sanctity of life” also includes the “passage into death,” extends constitutional rights into a new realm. The courts have used the 1982 Charter of Rights to establish gay marriage and to strike down a federal abortion law. The new ruling will change the way some Canadians are permitted to die.

In a brief, powerful opening paragraph, the court explained why it was creating a new constitutional right to autonomy over one’s death in some circumstances: Those who are severely and irremediably suffering, whether physically or psychologically, “may be condemned to a life of severe and intolerable suffering” by the government’s absolute ban on assisted dying. “A person facing this prospect has two options: she can take her own life prematurely, often by violent or dangerous means, or she can suffer until she dies from natural causes. The choice is cruel.”

***********

Lee Carter, holding a pink bouquet of daisies in honour of her mother’s favourite colour, said in an interview after the ruling that Canadians now “have a choice to die with dignity in our own country, surrounded by friends and family.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/supreme-court-rules-on-doctor-assisted-suicide/article22828437/

[KamaAina]

82. Comparing people to pets?

Aw, c'mon.

[polly7]

83. No,

asking if you believe the suffering - for anyone or anything - should be able to be ended in a compassionate, humane manner, especially for human beings who have every right to choose their own way to go.

That was low.

[winter is coming]

79. That case had *nothing* to do with physician-assisted suicide.

They refused to cover her chemo because she was terminally ill and chemo would only prolong, not save, her life. They would have made the same decision whether or not physician-assisted suicide was an option.

[Lint Head]

84. Physician assisted suicide is assisted because the person

is not able to perform it themself. They "are" mentally capable, either by presence of mind or a living will. If a person is on life support and has no living will it is a choice to be made by family or, absent a family, a family a judge or physician. But that is not considered suicide. It's because the life is not viable or the person is brain dead and a decision is made to let the person pass away. They are "not" commiting suicide.

su·i·cide

ˈso͞oəˌsīd/

noun

1.

the action of killing oneself intentionally.

"he committed suicide at the age of forty"

synonyms:self-destruction, taking one's own life, killing oneself, self-murder

"was it suicide or murder?"

[n2doc]

65. He was an evil psychopath, nothing else

There will be no sympathy for him. RIP for the women he killed.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

68. Shameful, morally repugnant bullshit.

The valid direct parallel is between this guy's actions and the opponents of physician-assisted suicide (like yourself), not its opponents.

Like you, he decided that he had the right to decide for someone else whether their life should go on or whether they should die.

No-one is suggesting that life with a painful, disabling mental condition is always not worth living. However, some people feel that, *for them*, it isn't. Trying to use this to justify taking that choice away from them and making it yourself is utterly shameful.

Is comparing you to him fair? No, of course not, it's an exaggeration for effect. But it's a lot more reasonable than your post.

[KamaAina]

75. No, unlike us, he decided the person should die.

And acted on it.

Way false equivalence.

[Eleanors38]

74. You should a stuck with the instrumentality of the deaths.

[Springslips]

87. Actually the OP and the murderer shares the philosophy...

Not understood by the OP but he actually share thinking with the murderer. For he and the murderer want to be the judge on whether someone elses life is worth living or not, instead of the person living that life.

The murderer decides his daughter's life is not worth living through the pain so kills her, not caring if the daughter wants to live it.

The OP want to decided that someone life is worth living through the pain, not caring if the individual doesn't want to live it.

It's the same control freakness. It just inside out of each other, but not opposite.

We are for individual choice, the murderer and OP are for forcing their belief on people.

The OP argument boomeranges on himself.

[Oneironaut]

88. This is a crazy person. Migraines are not a terminal illness.

The point of physician-assisted suicide is to speed death up when it is going to happen anyways. Using someone murdering their family as similar to physician-assisted suicide is silly.