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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Sat May 9, 2015, 06:11 PM May 2015

Sign Elizabeth Warren's Petition against TPA fast track for the TPP (please!)

May 7, Warren blog~

I have serious concerns about ISDS – a policy in the new TPP trade agreement that would let foreign companies challenge American laws outside of American courts.

I’ll give you a recent example of how it works: A big mining company wanted to do some blasting off the coast of Nova Scotia. The Canadian government refused to provide permits because it thought the blasting would harm the local environment and scare off fish that local fishermen needed to make a living.

Thanks to an ISDS provision in a past trade agreement, that mining company didn’t have to go to a Canadian court to challenge the permit decision – they went right to a special ISDS panel of corporate lawyers. Last month, the international panel ruled in favor of the mining company, and the decision cannot be challenged in Canadian courts.

Now the Canadian taxpayers may be on the hook for up to $300 million in “damages” to the mining company – all because their government had the gall to stand up for its environment and the economic livelihood of its local fishermen.

And the next time a foreign company wants a blasting permit, what will the Canadian government do?

ISDS isn’t a one-time, hypothetical problem – we’ve seen it in past trade agreements. Just in the past few years:

A French company sued Egypt after Egypt raised its minimum wage.
A Swedish company sued Germany because Germany wanted to phase out nuclear power for safety reasons.
A Dutch company sued the Czech Republic because the Czech Republic didn't bail out a bank that the Dutch company partially owned.
Philip Morris is using ISDS right now to try to stop countries like Australia and Uruguay from implementing new rules that are intended to cut smoking rates – because the new laws might eat into the tobacco giant’s profits.

The Obama Administration has said that they have fixed all the problems, and nothing like that will happen here. They just won’t show you how.

Let's send a loud message to our trade officials: No vote on a fast-track for trade agreements until the American people can see what’s in this TPP deal – ISDS and everything else. Sign the petition right now.

I’m not the only one worried about ISDS. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote in her book last year:

"We should avoid some of the provisions sought by business interests, including our own, like giving them or their investors the power to sue foreign governments to weaken their environmental and public health rules, as Philip Morris is already trying to do in Australia. The United States should be advocating a level and fair playing field, not special favors."


In March, more than a hundred law professors from all around the country wrote a letter about their concerns about ISDS. And five of the country’s top legal and economic experts – Joseph Stiglitz, Larry Tribe, Judith Resnik, Cruz Reynoso, and H. Lee Sarokin – all agree:

"ISDS weakens the rule of law by removing the procedural protections of the legal system and using a system of adjudication with limited accountability and review. It is antithetical to the fair, public, and effective legal system that all Americans expect
and deserve. Proponents of ISDS have failed to explain why our legal system is inadequate to the task. For the reasons cited above, we urge you to uphold the best ideals of our legal system and ensure ISDS is excluded from upcoming trade agreements."

This isn't a partisan issue. I don’t often agree with the conservative Cato Institute, and I suspect they don’t often agree with me. But the head of Cato’s trade policy program said:

"[ISDS] raises serious questions about democratic accountability, sovereignty, checks and balances, and the separation of power... Sen. Warren’s perspective on ISDS is one that libertarians and other free market advocates should share."

The Obama Administration says you have nothing to worry about – to trust them that nothing could possibly go wrong. But they won’t release the text of the TPP agreement to the public for you to see it for yourself.

Frankly, "just trust us" isn’t good enough – not for a trade deal that multinational corporations have been working on for years while the public has been kept in the dark.

Tens of thousands of people have already signed our petition: No vote to fast-track trade agreements until the American people can see what’s in this TPP deal – including ISDS.

http://elizabethwarren.com/blog


Please sign the petition now.

She's seen it, she's against it, she's not allowed to tell us what's in it but she wants us to know. Please sign. Give her some leverage with public support for transparency!
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Sign Elizabeth Warren's Petition against TPA fast track for the TPP (please!) (Original Post) RiverLover May 2015 OP
Done DJ13 May 2015 #1
Thank you!! RiverLover May 2015 #3
SIGNED AND POSTED ON FACE BOOK trueblue2007 May 2015 #2
Thank you times 2!!! RiverLover May 2015 #4
Done. nt LiberalElite May 2015 #5
Thanks Elite & Liberal one!! RiverLover May 2015 #7
Whether one is for, against, or undecided against the TPP, no reasonable person should want this still_one May 2015 #6
Exactly. Especially since it will allow our next president to just have an up or down vote RiverLover May 2015 #9
Done aspirant May 2015 #8
Thanks Aspirant!!! RiverLover May 2015 #10
"But they won’t release the text of the TPP agreement to the public" is dishonest. ucrdem May 2015 #11
The premise that no negotiations can be made before Congress surrenders its powers & duties is Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #12
Well said!! RiverLover May 2015 #13
That's arguable, but it doesn't make Warren's claim any less dishonest. ucrdem May 2015 #14
TPA is what is dishonest here. RiverLover May 2015 #16
That's a separate issue. However, ucrdem May 2015 #18
Who is "pretending" there is a "TPP without TPA"? Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #19
Warren. From above: ucrdem May 2015 #20
The point is that Congress should not surrender its Constitutional rights, and expedite a "trade" Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #25
No the point is that Warren is falsely representing an important Democratic initiative. nt ucrdem May 2015 #26
Continuing to misrepresent Senators Warren, Brown & others position, by falsely stating that they Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #31
Then let us review the work in progress and Larkspur May 2015 #42
Done! Luminous Animal May 2015 #15
Thanks, you animal you! RiverLover May 2015 #17
K&R and done. Thanks RL. 99Forever May 2015 #21
No kidding. And of course the press is eating it up...food fight! RiverLover May 2015 #22
signed! nt m-lekktor May 2015 #23
Woohoo!!! RiverLover May 2015 #24
did done A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #27
dang! RiverLover May 2015 #32
Done. Thanks for posting this. peace13 May 2015 #28
Thank you my friend! RiverLover May 2015 #33
Signed /nt think May 2015 #29
think, thanks!!! RiverLover May 2015 #34
My pleasure. Thank you for posting! think May 2015 #36
Done cantbeserious May 2015 #30
You cant be serious! RiverLover May 2015 #35
Signed & some kicks!! CountAllVotes May 2015 #37
Thanks for signing! RiverLover May 2015 #39
Signing a internet "petition" will certainly make a difference... brooklynite May 2015 #38
I think you're confusing Warren with someone else. RiverLover May 2015 #40
...and yet, that "petition" came from her campaign committee, not her Senate office... brooklynite May 2015 #44
This is where she posts her blogs. RiverLover May 2015 #45
Read it, signed it, shared it tencats May 2015 #41
Thanks tencats! RiverLover May 2015 #46
K & R AzDar May 2015 #43

still_one

(92,138 posts)
6. Whether one is for, against, or undecided against the TPP, no reasonable person should want this
Sat May 9, 2015, 06:39 PM
May 2015

fast tracked

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
9. Exactly. Especially since it will allow our next president to just have an up or down vote
Sat May 9, 2015, 06:48 PM
May 2015

on whatever corporate takeover deal they want as well. There are still some countries left, I think.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
11. "But they won’t release the text of the TPP agreement to the public" is dishonest.
Sat May 9, 2015, 06:49 PM
May 2015

There won't be a text until the negotiations are finished and that won't happen until Obama gets fast track authorization.

Deeply misleading and frankly disturbing.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
12. The premise that no negotiations can be made before Congress surrenders its powers & duties is
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:25 PM
May 2015

...anti-democratic.


The idea that a President should not negotiate a deal that will need Congressional approval until Congress agrees to give up a portion of its constitutionally designated powers is neither what the founders intended, nor what is best for ythe American people.


Any deal that cannot stand up to Congressional scrutiny and be approved without Congress surrendering its powers to participate in the process (backed up by its constitutional power to amend, which is the power the executive branch wants to dispense with) is not a deal that should be made.


And, speaking of dishonesty, it is dishonest to misrepresent what Sen. Warren's petition supports.

Fast Track is NOT simply about the TPP. It would surrender Congress's power to amend, or to filibuster, any trade agreement whoever happens to be President for the next 6 years decides to present to Congress.

Senators Warren and Brown's petition is demanding that this Fast Track process for the next 6 years not be approved until we see the results of the TPP negotiations. If those negotiations result in a deal in any way similar to what has been leaked, then not only should TPP be trashed, but we certainly would not advance democratic governance by putting in place a process that would expedite futue bad deals for the next 6 years.














RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
13. Well said!!
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:32 PM
May 2015

Of the many "disturbing" facets of this deal, quite frankly, is the secrecy. For six years, lobbyists have seen it & helped craft it. But our own representatives were left out of the negotiations. That means WE were left out. And no changes can be made. And congress will pass it because those same lobbyists write checks to their campaigns & Super PACs.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
14. That's arguable, but it doesn't make Warren's claim any less dishonest.
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:34 PM
May 2015

No there's no TPP without TPA, and scaring people by pretending there is and fundraising on that claim is pretty low.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
16. TPA is what is dishonest here.
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:39 PM
May 2015

If it can't be had out in the open, it shouldn't be.

If its something we can't see, its probably something we wouldn't like. Union leaders have seen it and they're fighting like mad to defeat this thing. I believe them over you...and my president.

I'm off now to contribute a bit more to Run Warren Run.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
18. That's a separate issue. However,
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:44 PM
May 2015

if you really want to talk about TPA, here's how Brookings explains it:
................

. . . we need to understand the essential role of TPA as a political device to give complex trade agreements a chance at successful negotiation and ratification.

At home, TPA reassures Congress of having a meaningful role in setting the trajectory and objectives of U.S. policy. Far from an abdication of authority, TPA allows Congress to retain responsibility for laying out trade policy objectives, remain appraised of the progress in the negotiations, and act as the ultimate arbiter in deciding the fate of a trade deal.

Internationally, TPA reassures negotiating parties that the carefully calibrated package of reciprocal concessions will not unravel at the ratification stage. Granted, TPA is an imperfect credibility mechanism since it has in the past not stopped Congress from demanding renegotiations. But without the modicum of credibility that TPA provides, it will not be possible for the United States to obtain a good deal, either because TPP countries are genuinely concerned about future “asks” or because they have the perfect cover to avoid politically painful concessions on sensitive issues. Either way, the lack of TPA weakens the hands of American trade negotiators.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/03/13-geopolitical-importance-transpacific-partnership

....................
So "imperfect but necessary" is probably the best way to sum up TPA. In any case there won't be a final TPP without it, and to suggest otherwise is dishonest.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
19. Who is "pretending" there is a "TPP without TPA"?
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:47 PM
May 2015

Everything we know about TPP stinks.

TPA will allow a "trade" agreement that stinks to be more able to pass, by allowing a process that expedites its passage primarily by surrendering Congressional powers before the stinking details are made public.

And additionally will allow future "trade" deals to be expedited no matter how bad they stink.






Supporting democratic process is not "low". . . What is "low" is expediting stinking deals by short-circuiting democratic processes.










ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
20. Warren. From above:
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:47 PM
May 2015
But they won’t release the text of the TPP agreement to the public for you to see it for yourself.


There is no such text to release.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
25. The point is that Congress should not surrender its Constitutional rights, and expedite a "trade"
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:28 PM
May 2015



...deal without the details (which, if they are anything like what has been leaked regarding the negotiations, will result in such a public outcry as to strongly diminish the likelihood of passage) being released to the public.

That the final text may not yet have been negotiated is not the point.

The point, and what Senators Warren and Brown's petition democratically & rightfully demands, is that no process to expedite "trade" deals should be established before the details are made public.











Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
31. Continuing to misrepresent Senators Warren, Brown & others position, by falsely stating that they
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:39 PM
May 2015


...are "dishonest", and falsely claiming that they are "misrepresenting" a Democratic initiative", and continuing to refuse to deal with the substance of what Americans are rightfully demanding, does not make a convincing case for Congress to abdicate its responsibility by expediting stinking "trade" deals in advance of publication of the damning details.




 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
42. Then let us review the work in progress and
Sun May 10, 2015, 02:43 AM
May 2015

allow Labor unions, environmentalist, human rights advocates to join in the writing of this trade agreement.

Right now only CEO's and lobbyists for multi-national corporation an review and write it.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
21. K&R and done. Thanks RL.
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:01 PM
May 2015

Seems POTUS is taking aim at Warren over this. Huge fucking mistake. WTF is his problem?

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
39. Thanks for signing!
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:13 PM
May 2015

If enough sign, she can use that in her senate battle. As early as Tuesday, I read.

Thanks CountAllVotes!

brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
38. Signing a internet "petition" will certainly make a difference...
Sat May 9, 2015, 10:33 PM
May 2015

...beyond giving your email address to the Warren re-election campaign...

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
40. I think you're confusing Warren with someone else.
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:18 PM
May 2015

Warren actually has passion & strong convictions in her Stand for People. She's actually fighting for this, not raising money for an election 3 years away...I can understand how you come to think that though, given your candidate of choice. Hard not to see through that calculating filter now, I imagine.

brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
44. ...and yet, that "petition" came from her campaign committee, not her Senate office...
Sun May 10, 2015, 08:26 AM
May 2015

...and since I know Warren's fundraising people personally, I think I do have a good grasp on her campaign strategy.

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