Forget It US Business/Intl Corps Will Not Create Decent Jobs. Their Focus Is Global. NOT HERE!

[TheMastersNemesis]

American workers need to wake up to the fact that economically they are now on the back of the bus. Corporate CEO's have been saying for a long time that their market is the other 6 1/2 billion consumers in the global economy. That is why American jobs are being outsourced to to other countries. They want to raise wages for new consumers in Asia while wages stagnate for the vast majority of workers here.

America is considered and "after market" has been by multinational corporations. That is why trade agreements favor moving jobs to lower paying countries. They can raise wages in other countries enough to create new consumers in those countries. Meanwhile the US Chamber of Commerce, National Association of Manufacturers, et al can bring more profit by creating jobs overseas.

By keeping workers divided and antiunion and antigovernment they can increase their profits by using cheap labor that American workers cannot keep up with. The only way American workers can compete at all in the global economy is by working for less money or being insanely productive. Most of our trade agreements actually reward business for taking jobs elsewhere.

Every attempt to pas "buy American" or "tax outsourcers" has been defeated by the GOP and big business. TPP will reinforce buying foreign and outsourcing in a very big way.

If you are having a hard time with this idea just look around at what has been happening since 1980. Yes there are jobs and a supposedly growing economy, but wages are pretty stagnant, job insecurity is at an all time high, contingency jobs are exploding while "meat and potato" jobs are still disappearing or being send elsewhere. And if that is no bad enough there are scores of immigration work visa holders replacing American workers and that is legal.

Workers must realized CEO's are saying Asia and global is their new customer. Americans not relevant anymore. Their job creation schemes are OVER SEAS AND NOT HERE. Remember all the business rhetoric is just blowing smoke up your but. Bernie Sanders gets it but the MSM, the GOP and big business will bury him and his message.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

1. A systematic destruction of the middle class is leading to modern day profit slavery. And there's...

...no stopping it.

[AZ Progressive]

2. You are damn right, business people have been seeing Asia as the new center of the world

and the U.S. and Europe as "has beens"

Corporations are unpatriotic and don't give a shit about America anymore, and the move since the 70s to go global has added to this. American workers have no bargaining power anymore against corporations that are global, because they are "free" from America.

[Hoyt]

3. Darn right, the rest of the world doesn't deserve to share in the wealth. Screw them.

[mmonk]

4. We deserve a lower standard of living.

[Hoyt]

5. Is your standard of living decreasing? Do you deserve more than someone in another country just

because you are an American?

[JDPriestly]

8. I don't know about you, but my ancestors fought for a country in which people could live

in dignity and participate in self-government through a democracy.

If we allow big business to impoverish us by taking our jobs, the jobs that create the products we buy -- those are OUR jobs and no one else's -- then we are betraying our ancestors, those who came before us an fought for a country in which the general living standard would be high and we could live in dignity and equality.

And, yes, our standard of living is decreasing. And yes, we deserve more not just because we are American but because we believe in democracy and working together to raise the standard of living of all Americans.

People in other countries can raise their standard of living, and we can help them do it, but not by buying mostly imported junk, not be allowing companies to produce things we buy almost entirely in other countries.

It is not a matter of our thinking we should have more than others. It is a matter of large corporations depriving not just us but people all over the world of what is rightfully theirs.

Corporations should produce in America the manufactured products they sell to Americans.

Further, if the corporations and other countries are so keen on free trade that lowers the standard of living or does not raise the standard of living of Americans commensurate with the rise in corporate profits earned in the American economy, then let them find some other country to fight their wars for markets and for the shipping lanes. We should not be the country that defends the interests of the corporations the world over if they don't want to hire us and pay us decent wages.

[Hoyt]

10. America First. Heard it before.

Besides, I think international trade results in a lot of jobs here. We'd be in a mess just trading among ourselves.

[JDPriestly]

11. If international trade resulted in a lot of jobs or even replaced the jobs we lose when

we have international trade, then our balance of payments would not be so deeply in the red.

We would not have to trade only among ourselves. We could enter into bilateral agreements with various countries on the understanding that the trading goes both ways or not at all.

[Hoyt]

12. I doubt we'll lose many jobs under TPP, although China might.

[freshwest]

7. In the NAFTA debates, my union still adhered to something like the Wobblies. We need global labor

organizations, not national ones. It is a way of setting up one nation's workers against another. Unite around the globe and then make demands on that basis.

That means, like the Medicaid expansion, much of the money goes to the poorest in order to liff their boats. so they cannot be exploited to use against the middle class here. Although I know very few truly middle class people anymore and health and lack of social safety net funding is the main reason.

The ACA idea was that people cannot be exploited on the basis of income inequality due to their health failing or not addressed at all, such as children. The effect is generational.

PBO has said, despite our faults, that we will speak against slavery, sexism and racism, which some of the nations in the treaty (along with others) have accepted slavery. Of the worst kinds, although they are all evil in any form.

He mentioned sin Jamaica, which is highly aware of its slave roots, that slavery is STILL LEGAL in many countries. That brought a look of horror to the young students who will be the leaders of tomorrow. Perhaps this is part of the argument,maybe not.

The other part is that if Americans are not strong with a middle class, we have no clout internationally anyway. I think framing it as an American only concern may not work in the long term. But I most definitely want Sanders' voice to be heard on this and other issues.

[Hoyt]

9. I would love to see our unions working in other countries, but that's not likely. Good post.

[JDPriestly]

13. If that's not likely, then it puts our unions and our labor standards in jeopardy.

That's yet another reason to fight against the TPP.

The arguments against the TPP are so much more compelling than those in favor of it that I do not understand how any American can want the TPP. It will do nothing for us. Absolutely nothing.

[Hoyt]

14. I believe it will do something for us, not to mention the rest of the world. I'm really not

into the Nationalism I see here. It's somewhat disturbing, actually.

[JDPriestly]

6. K&R.