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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Mon May 11, 2015, 02:59 PM May 2015

Bronze Statues of Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and Bradley Manning unveiled in Berlin--Powerful!

Statues of Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and Bradley Manning unveiled in Berlin

Bronze statues of persecuted whistleblowers Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and Bradley Manning were unveiled in Berlin on May Day. The statues are part of an art project entitled “Anything to Say?”, the work of Italian artist Davide Dormino, which pays tribute to the courage of the three.

The life-size effigies of the trio stand in a row on chairs beside one extra empty chair. The extra chair invites passersby to express their solidarity with the three whistleblowers and share their own views publicly.


In an online statement, Dormino says: “History never had a positive opinion of contemporary revolutionaries. You need courage to act, to stand up on that empty chair even if it hurts.”

Hundreds of people gathered in Berlin’s Alexanderplatz on Friday, with many adults and also children mounting the chair to air their views to the assembled crowd.




Davide Dormino and his sculptures

The WSWS spoke with Dormino, an artist who also teaches sculpture and drawing at the Rome University of Fine Arts (Libera Accademia di Belle Arti di Roma).

Stefan Steinberg: What was your motivation for this project?

Davide Dormino: I was speaking to my friend, the American author and journalist, Charles Glass, about courage and the importance of adopting a critical attitude toward authority, and gradually the concept for the project emerged.

This has been an element in my art work for many years, in fact, from the very beginning. I am a firm advocate of public art. I believe that such art is a great chance to speak to a broad audience, and I believe art is a great opportunity to help people to mature and develop their ideas.


I came up with the idea of three figures standing on chairs. Why the chairs? The chair has a double meaning. It can be something comfortable, but we can also use it to elevate ourselves and gain a new perspective. The idea was to represent three icons of our contemporary world, three men who defied the system. They chose the chair of courage … but the empty chair is the most important part of the sculpture. It is an opportunity for us to stand up, to get a better view and share their courageous stance.

Perhaps you may remember the scene in the film, Dead Poets Society [1989], where the pupils stand on the tables as an example of courage and the rejection of blind authority—I think we need such courage today.

There was an amazing reaction in Berlin at Alexanderplatz. Everybody felt that it was an all-inclusive moment. Some people stood on chairs and expressed their support for the whistleblowers, some said nothing. It was very important.

More At.........

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/07/davi-m07.html

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Bronze Statues of Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and Bradley Manning unveiled in Berlin--Powerful! (Original Post) KoKo May 2015 OP
Proud to be first to Rec. Thank you, Dormino and KoKo! Octafish May 2015 #1
Did he not get the memo about Ms. Manning? Brickbat May 2015 #2
It was Bradley Manning that blew the whistle. zeemike May 2015 #27
Well this should go over well with the DU authoritarian brigade riderinthestorm May 2015 #3
yup In_The_Wind May 2015 #4
See post #16 for authoritarian assholery on display. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #19
Right on cue LittleBlue May 2015 #37
I have no opinion on the statues other than joy morningfog May 2015 #51
"History never had a positive opinion of contemporary revolutionaries... polichick May 2015 #5
"courage to act"? Then why didn't Snowden "act" before he left the US? Courage my butt! George II May 2015 #54
They broke secrets as matters of principle. Hoppy May 2015 #62
Saw this story on RT. What is remarkable is the difference between the sabrina 1 May 2015 #6
it's still a semi-free country, just don't litter on public property snooper2 May 2015 #11
No, just the Snowden statue that defaced another monument was removed jmowreader May 2015 #48
We are such a frightened society. Scared of everything, even a statue. sabrina 1 May 2015 #66
I noticed you referred to RT. You know that's Russian and can't be trusted. Those are probably rhett o rick May 2015 #49
Lol, RT has that 'liberal bias' so I can understand why some our more conservative friends sabrina 1 May 2015 #65
You are too kind. I would call it hypocracy. Claiming to be "politically liberal" and then rhett o rick May 2015 #69
Yes, you are right about the hypocrisy. I laugh when I see the anti RT posts, it is sabrina 1 May 2015 #70
And those who put the statue up were quickly identified and fined. nt tblue37 May 2015 #68
Some day our government, after we evolve from where we are now, and when we abide by sabrina 1 May 2015 #71
Wow BrotherIvan May 2015 #7
Ikr? The powerful symbolism of that empty chair to be filled by... anyone riderinthestorm May 2015 #9
It really is BrotherIvan May 2015 #10
+10000000 woo me with science May 2015 #97
Americans will think the 4th chair is Obama and Clint Eastwood Generic Other May 2015 #56
lol's....they will have to go to Berlin, though. KoKo May 2015 #60
DURec.... except that I wish those statues were in Wash. DC. bvar22 May 2015 #8
Can't have those guys in the public eye d_legendary1 May 2015 #28
Love Berlin -on the cutting edge socially, politically & culturally, as ever. Divernan May 2015 #12
I enjoyed Berlin yeoman6987 May 2015 #29
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2015 #13
"Bradley" Manning and "three men who defied the system?" nt geek tragedy May 2015 #14
if RT is involved in this i don't think they recognize Chelsea JI7 May 2015 #18
this is wsws.org, I think. geek tragedy May 2015 #20
It would be interesting to look into who funded the sculptures. stevenleser May 2015 #25
I doubt it yeoman6987 May 2015 #32
That person has made it clear she is a woman and wants to be addressed that way. stevenleser May 2015 #35
Do you think it might have been made prior to Chelsea announcing she would like to yeoman6987 May 2015 #38
No. It has been a long time since she made that announcement. The artist is still referring to her stevenleser May 2015 #39
Crazy, huh. At the time, Ms Manning publicly identified as male. During her pre-trial incarceration Luminous Animal May 2015 #40
"Either the funder or the artist are likely homophobes." bvar22 May 2015 #41
Good point. Even if it's to needle the US, there is no letup on Russia's anti-gay bigotry. stevenleser May 2015 #21
Because of course you are such a huge fan of her. BeanMusical May 2015 #30
I always refer to her as Chelsea. I cant stand what she did. I do not support bigotry to achieve stevenleser May 2015 #34
Bigotry have been used to achieve political ends? BeanMusical May 2015 #44
No, it's actually very telling that you assume folks would use or accept bigotry against stevenleser May 2015 #73
Ms Manning identified as a man at the time and even rejected her supporters from Luminous Animal May 2015 #64
That is a very poor excuse. The artist referred to Manning as Bradley in interviews the last few stevenleser May 2015 #74
And you couldn't be more wrong. But hey, making stuff up seems to be the sabrina 1 May 2015 #67
there seems to be more effort into getting statues than trying to change laws JI7 May 2015 #15
At least I'll know where to place any pigeon seed I might buy when I make it to Berlin. stevenleser May 2015 #16
Um...that's a seagull Demeter May 2015 #23
Yes, I know. nt stevenleser May 2015 #24
Disgusting. BeanMusical May 2015 #46
The poster appears on Fox News so you hit the bullseye BrotherIvan May 2015 #57
So does Greenwald. So does Bernie Sanders, Kucinich, etc. Your ad-hominem doesn't work. stevenleser May 2015 #76
You're calling the artist who made this sculpture a homophobe BrotherIvan May 2015 #90
Denying someone their gender identity makes you a homophobe. His own words are evidence. nt stevenleser May 2015 #91
You are catching on one point to try to "win" your argument BrotherIvan May 2015 #92
The point of this subthread is that the artist is a homophobe. So yes, my arguments are tailored stevenleser May 2015 #93
LOL, and let me guess, you have accused Obama supporters for being cult-like in the past right? stevenleser May 2015 #75
Lol! You're projecting, dear. BeanMusical May 2015 #79
Apparently not. Your reaction to this milquetoast criticism says it all. nt stevenleser May 2015 #80
Awww, so much anger. BeanMusical May 2015 #83
Nope, not anger. I am laughing. stevenleser May 2015 #84
Good. BeanMusical May 2015 #86
Who's the boy getting pooped on? Is this from some cemetery? Not funny, in any case. nt. polly7 May 2015 #95
Who is the kid in your picture GummyBearz May 2015 #50
Awww, you're so anti-authoritarian you are angry at those who dissent against the hero narrative stevenleser May 2015 #77
You sound angry. BeanMusical May 2015 #81
Nope, I'm laughing at the reaction to the pigeon feed comments by folks who take this too seriously stevenleser May 2015 #82
Of course you don't. BeanMusical May 2015 #85
Steve, I remember when you posed for that sculpture. FrankUnderwood Jun 2015 #98
Bravo! Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #17
Participatory Art, Participatory Politics, Publicly Speaking Truth to Power Demeter May 2015 #22
enthusiastic kick navarth May 2015 #26
"The statues are part of an art project entitled 'Anything to Say?'” KansDem May 2015 #31
Does the "anything" being said include Court Testimony? brooklynite May 2015 #45
Proudly salutes, kicks and recommends. Fantastic Anarchist May 2015 #33
UNREC brooklynite May 2015 #36
and one accused of rape OKNancy May 2015 #42
Has anyone asked you to genuflect? bvar22 May 2015 #43
You're being more polite than I could. BeanMusical May 2015 #47
Come out and say that you disparage all whistle-blowers because they challenge authority. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #99
Powerful was not eh word I was thinking,,,,,,, Cryptoad May 2015 #52
Such overkill! treestar May 2015 #53
I love watching authoritarians foam at the mouth in the morning! Rex May 2015 #55
Me too. The sad part, though, is that there are any of them here. BillZBubb May 2015 #87
They should be melted and used for bathroom fixtures Renew Deal May 2015 #58
Who, the authoritarians or the statues? hueymahl May 2015 #89
Love it malaise May 2015 #59
well, that ought to make some heads explode. niyad May 2015 #61
Big k/r 840high May 2015 #63
Absolutely fantastic! colorado_ufo May 2015 #72
All these statues and busts are creeping into 'Maoist' territory Blue_Tires May 2015 #78
What an absurd comment. BillZBubb May 2015 #88
I don't know how else to describe cultish hero worship Blue_Tires May 2015 #94
kick woo me with science May 2015 #96

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
27. It was Bradley Manning that blew the whistle.
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:45 PM
May 2015

Just as it was Cassius Clay that won the gold medal in the Olympics...history is not revisable.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
51. I have no opinion on the statues other than joy
Mon May 11, 2015, 05:26 PM
May 2015

that it will bring when the gnashing of teeth and handwringing on DU follows.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
5. "History never had a positive opinion of contemporary revolutionaries...
Mon May 11, 2015, 03:32 PM
May 2015

You need courage to act, to stand up on that empty chair even if it hurts.”

So true!

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
62. They broke secrets as matters of principle.
Mon May 11, 2015, 10:36 PM
May 2015

Betrayus exposed state secrets for a blow job.

Betrayus gets a pension.

Manning gets what, 30 years?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. Saw this story on RT. What is remarkable is the difference between the
Mon May 11, 2015, 03:35 PM
May 2015

reaction of the authorities in Germany to this, and what happened here. When a statue of Snowden appeared in public here, it was quickly removed by the 'authorities'. Land of the FREE!!

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
48. No, just the Snowden statue that defaced another monument was removed
Mon May 11, 2015, 05:22 PM
May 2015

Someone put a statue of him in Union Square and it was allowed to stay...for a while at least.

http://www.businessinsider.com/there-is-an-edward-snowden-statue-in-union-square-and-no-one-could-recognize-him-2014-10

The one you're referring to was glued to another monument.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
66. We are such a frightened society. Scared of everything, even a statue.
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:10 PM
May 2015

We know what happens to peaceful demonstrators in this country. So spare me the excuses. I am aware that all countries go through periods such as the one we are going through right now, but the fact is we are not a free country right now.

The Government is spying on every single citizen. We have the largest prison population EVER in the history of the world, and larger than all the countries combined per capita.

You can't fix a problem until you realze you have a problem. I prefer to identify the problem then go about fixing it.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
49. I noticed you referred to RT. You know that's Russian and can't be trusted. Those are probably
Mon May 11, 2015, 05:25 PM
May 2015

fake statues. I wonder if any of the Oligarch-Media will carry the story.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
65. Lol, RT has that 'liberal bias' so I can understand why some our more conservative friends
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:05 PM
May 2015

would have a problem with some of most liberal thinkers actually having a voice on TV. Ever see Thom Hartmann on the Corporate Media? Amy Goodman? I want to hear those voices so I have to go to RT to hear them.

Not in the least bit intimidated by the 'commie' garbage, fought THAT battle with Bush supporters for years, long before there was an RT.

Some people are just stuck in the past, what I can I say.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
69. You are too kind. I would call it hypocracy. Claiming to be "politically liberal" and then
Tue May 12, 2015, 12:02 AM
May 2015

shunning those media that are not corrupted by our Corporations. Every time one of THEM criticizes RT as a source, I ask them which media outlet they prefer. They never answer. THEY are good at criticizing but short on conviction themselves.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
70. Yes, you are right about the hypocrisy. I laugh when I see the anti RT posts, it is
Tue May 12, 2015, 12:23 AM
May 2015

so revealing. RT is a liberal media, and it's great to see so many young female journalists who are free to question politicians the way journalists are supposed to do.

I know this, if RT had been around during the Bush years, it would have been the most popular media to the very same people. Al Jazeera was treated the same way by 'conservatives', and loved by Liberals. Too bad people are so affected by their biases. Something those in power count on.

I have been reading lately however, that partisanship is losing its appeal the more people are affected by the policies that both parties are responsible for. Most American voters now register as Independents.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
71. Some day our government, after we evolve from where we are now, and when we abide by
Tue May 12, 2015, 12:29 AM
May 2015

the rule of law, there will be statues of Whistle Blowers from this dark period in our history, in public places as a tribute to those who stood up against those who tried to take away our rights and freedoms.

All countries have gone through these very dark periods, and this is a young country, and often have emerged as truly civilized, democratic nations.

The sooner the better, but it may not happen anytime soon, unless we have more Edward Snowdens and Chelsea Mannings. And publishers like Assange who are unafraid to give Whistle Blowers a place to reveal their information when they cannot trust their own media or their government anymore.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
7. Wow
Mon May 11, 2015, 03:36 PM
May 2015

the fourth chair has me speechless. It looks like people all over the world are ready for a change. (and is sick of the US)

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
9. Ikr? The powerful symbolism of that empty chair to be filled by... anyone
Mon May 11, 2015, 03:39 PM
May 2015

the artist, a passerby, an activist...

It's actually a pretty powerful piece of art.

(Guaranteed to make heads explode amongst those who hate whistleblowers!)

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
10. It really is
Mon May 11, 2015, 03:42 PM
May 2015

Inviting people to stand up and speak, that is pretty huge. Inviting people to listen. That is definitely what I would call ART in capital letters. I agree it would have been nice to show Chelsea Manning as she prefers to be known now. I hope he thinks about it and perhaps updates it. But just wow.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
28. Can't have those guys in the public eye
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:48 PM
May 2015

since it ruins their fairy tale of keeping us safe from the big bad terrorist (that we are creating).

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
12. Love Berlin -on the cutting edge socially, politically & culturally, as ever.
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:18 PM
May 2015

- which is why Hitler hated it and had plans to rebuild it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welthauptstadt Germania. This sculpture is a perfect example of public art, or what public art should be. It invites people to take part in the discussion about freedom of speech and the incredible courage of these three men in exposing the lies and crimes of governments.

I highly recommend starting out a visit to Berlin with taking one of the boat/canal tours of the city - Berlin has such a rich and dramatic history - the tour takes you through modern and old parts of the area - orients you to the geography and throws in lots of history. My daughters stayed in Berlin to see some World Cup games, and the canal boat tour was their number one tour recommendation. My concierge provided me with directions to a boarding spot just a few blocks from my hotel. My tour had an English language tape, which was invaluable. I was particularly moved and got a chill down my spine when the canal boat passed under one of the bridges on the Landwehr Canal and the tape noted that this was the bridge from which Rosa Luxemburg's body was thrown by the Freikorps (who eventually became the Brown Shirts) after they shot her on January 15, 1919. She was an extremely courageous woman & leading labor union organizer. She is revered in Berlin - one of the stops on the U-Bahn is "Bahnhof Rosa-Luxemburg-Platz."

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
29. I enjoyed Berlin
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:50 PM
May 2015

I thought check point Charlie was interesting in the middle of the intersection. And the gate is beautiful.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
25. It would be interesting to look into who funded the sculptures.
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:38 PM
May 2015

Either the funder or the artist are likely homophobes.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
35. That person has made it clear she is a woman and wants to be addressed that way.
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:55 PM
May 2015

It's disrespectful of her rights as a human being to ignore that.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
38. Do you think it might have been made prior to Chelsea announcing she would like to
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:59 PM
May 2015

Be called Chelsea? I don't think they are quick to be made. I suppose the United States could pay the artist to change it and maybe we will.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
39. No. It has been a long time since she made that announcement. The artist is still referring to her
Mon May 11, 2015, 05:00 PM
May 2015

as Bradley. That is a pretty clear tell.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
40. Crazy, huh. At the time, Ms Manning publicly identified as male. During her pre-trial incarceration
Mon May 11, 2015, 05:05 PM
May 2015

when some of her supporters started calling her Brianna, a name that she had used privately, she asked her supporters to cease and continue to refer to her by Bradley.

There was much discussion around this issue by her supporters to change the name of BradleyManning.org to BriannaManning.org

Ultimately, a consensus was reached to honor her wishes.

Following Chelsea's announcement of her name change, BradleyManning.org switched to ChelseaManning.org which now features a photo of the sculpure on their web page.

http://www.chelseamanning.org/press/manning-assange-snowden-statue-unveiled-in-berlin

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
41. "Either the funder or the artist are likely homophobes."
Mon May 11, 2015, 05:09 PM
May 2015

You know absolutely NOTHING about the artist or funders.
Your knee jerk statement calling the funder or artist "homophobes"
says way more about you than it does about the artists or funders.

If I had had the opportunity to donate or help this project in ANY way, I would have.
and I do not fit the stereotype of your demons.


Remember when John Kerry was "swiftboated" by made up accusations?
Well, better take a look in a mirror.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
21. Good point. Even if it's to needle the US, there is no letup on Russia's anti-gay bigotry.
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:34 PM
May 2015

Chelsea got thrown under the bus on this one.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
34. I always refer to her as Chelsea. I cant stand what she did. I do not support bigotry to achieve
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:54 PM
May 2015

political ends.

back at you

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
73. No, it's actually very telling that you assume folks would use or accept bigotry against
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:03 AM
May 2015

political opponents. I can only assume you would do so.

I disagree with Manning's release of information. I would fight for her in any attempt to gain equality for who she is.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
64. Ms Manning identified as a man at the time and even rejected her supporters from
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:00 PM
May 2015

calling her Brianna (a name that she used privately) from calling her that during her incarceration and trial.

The gender status and name depicts her preference at the time.

I've no problem with stating Bradley Manning, hero, now incarcerated Chelsea Manning, hero.

When Bruce Jenner reveals his name (yes, he has stated that he prefers he/him even though he will oft times use a female pronoun in interviews) which he says he will do, should reporters refer to Bruce as a woman when reporting on his Olympic triumphs competing as a man?

No they should not. Bruce, when he won his metals publicly identified as a man. Manning when, when she leaked, publicly identified as a man.

Bradley Manning leaked. Chelsea Manning is in prison.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
74. That is a very poor excuse. The artist referred to Manning as Bradley in interviews the last few
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:05 AM
May 2015

days. The artist is obviously very impressed with what Manning did.

But at the same time the artist is too bigoted to accept her for who she is.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
67. And you couldn't be more wrong. But hey, making stuff up seems to be the
Mon May 11, 2015, 11:19 PM
May 2015

thing to do these days.

RT hosts very much recognize Chelsea Manning and her rights, which our Corporate media, now that you mentioned it, don't seem to do.

Chelsea wasn't throw in jail in Russia for exposing War Crimes, that happened right here in the good old USA. For 35 years. And not once have I seen any of our Media personnel even question that brutal, travesty of justice. And she was tortured, not in Russia, but in the custody of the US Government which used their knowledge of her concerns about her sexuality and being naked, in order to torture her.

Considering that travesty of justice, and the fact that the War Criminals she exposed are treated here like elder statesmen by our OWN media, your comment is kind of sad and if you want to know why, I'd be happy to explain.

Sometimes when your own house needs cleaning, it's best not to point fingers elsewhere because it's a given someone is going to talk about that dirty house.

'People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones' old, but still very wise advice.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
23. Um...that's a seagull
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:36 PM
May 2015

and I wouldn't try to feed them, they will dive-bomb you with very sharp beaks.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
76. So does Greenwald. So does Bernie Sanders, Kucinich, etc. Your ad-hominem doesn't work.
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:12 AM
May 2015

But apparently ad-hominem is all you've got.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
90. You're calling the artist who made this sculpture a homophobe
Tue May 12, 2015, 12:14 PM
May 2015

You have no idea who he is or what he believes. But you're accusing ME of ad hominem attacks? That's rich.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
92. You are catching on one point to try to "win" your argument
Tue May 12, 2015, 12:40 PM
May 2015

And you're instead looking petty and foolish. You do realize that the artist is from Italy and that the interview you are reading is just a small part of what he said. Europe, you may be surprised to learn, is also much more progressive when it comes to LGBT rights, so I doubt he is a homophobe by default. But more importantly, the artist has chosen a moment when each person is standing up against being accused. It is artistic license in this case and is showing that Ms. Manning stood up to the powers while in uniform. I highly doubt that she would have any problem whatsoever to this stunning tribute.

But the bigger issue is you think she should be in jail for exposing state secrets and that Obama had every right to say she was guilty. I think she should be free; I think she's a hero. I bet she would be happy to be free rather than know you defended her right to the correct pronoun.

SS: The individuals you’ve sculpted are vilified by political establishments all over the world. In various ways Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and Bradley [Chelsea] Manning are all prisoners and have had to accept huge restrictions on their freedom. Why are they heroes for you?

DD: They are heroes because they show us how much control governments have over us. We have to understand the difference between control and privacy. Privacy is sacrosanct. It is a basic human right. With the new technology it is easier for the government to control us. That is not democracy, in my opinion, but it is also important to know why and how they control us.
We need to have the courage to know the truth. Sometimes people don’t understand and they say, “It doesn’t matter if they know everything about me.” This is very wrong.

SS: In the past your work has taken a more abstract form, this time you have chosen a very direct, realistic form.

DD: I deliberately chose to model them in a realistic fashion—an ancient form of representation. The message has to be clear. People have to be able to immediately recognize them.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
93. The point of this subthread is that the artist is a homophobe. So yes, my arguments are tailored
Tue May 12, 2015, 12:42 PM
May 2015

to be about that.

If the artist isn't a homophobe, he needs to apologize and clarify and start referring to Manning as Chelsea.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
75. LOL, and let me guess, you have accused Obama supporters for being cult-like in the past right?
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:12 AM
May 2015

You can't even handle this milquetoast joke about your heroes.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
79. Lol! You're projecting, dear.
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:24 AM
May 2015

Except for a few scientists (and then again I don't idolize them) I stopped having "heroes" in my late teens.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
50. Who is the kid in your picture
Mon May 11, 2015, 05:25 PM
May 2015

that you apparently also don't mind getting shit on? He must have done something very anti-authoritarian to draw your ire

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
77. Awww, you're so anti-authoritarian you are angry at those who dissent against the hero narrative
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:16 AM
May 2015

for these guys. That doesn't sound so anti-authoritarian to me.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
82. Nope, I'm laughing at the reaction to the pigeon feed comments by folks who take this too seriously
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:28 AM
May 2015

I can't think of any person's statue I would react to someone implying they would get pigeons to poop on like you have here.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
22. Participatory Art, Participatory Politics, Publicly Speaking Truth to Power
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:35 PM
May 2015

Excellent news! Thanks, KoKo

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
31. "The statues are part of an art project entitled 'Anything to Say?'”
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:50 PM
May 2015

Another name for this display could be "A Trio of Truth Seekers."

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
36. UNREC
Mon May 11, 2015, 04:57 PM
May 2015

I don't feel the need to genuflect to the images of people who are still alive and kicking. If I ever feel the need to, I can apparently visit the bust of Rush Limbaugh in the Missouri State House...

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
99. Come out and say that you disparage all whistle-blowers because they challenge authority.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jun 2015

And authority is everything.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
53. Such overkill!
Mon May 11, 2015, 05:51 PM
May 2015


What's with this statue thing. That is not going to make them like George Washington.

The only meaningful statue is one put up by agreement of society. You can't force that on people by making the statue first.
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