TPP has strong regulations and enforcement provisions? Bullshit. Here's why...

[whereisjustice]

The USA let Wall Street steal trillions of dollars through racketeering and systemic fraud. It happened right under our noses.

Who was regulating Wall Street? No one.

And ultimately, who paid the price for the deliberate neglect and incompetence of regulators? Certainly not the perpetrators of the crime. They're too big to fail.

So, then, who was punished for the criminal indiscretions of our ruling class?

THE MIDDLE CLASS AND BELOW. WE PAID WITH OUR SALARIES, JOBS AND OPPORTUNITY TO GET AHEAD.,

That's who is going to pay for TPP.

Now the same people who brought us the largest organized criminal fraud in world history are crowing about all the great regulations in TPP.

Bullshit. You can put on a gas mask and the fumes from the TPP lies will still choke you to death.

Corporations send jobs to Asia because the only strong regulations in Vietnam, China, Indonesia, Singapore, etc are those that limit wages, individual freedoms and worker's rights.

The USA cannot afford to hire food inspectors to inspect the meat we serve children in schools and patients in hospitals.

We can't afford to regulate the money laundering fueling our corrupt election process.

We can't afford to regulate our off-shore drilling, fracking and nuclear power plants.

We can't afford inspectors for our failing bridges and other crumbling components of our national infrastructure.

We can't afford oversight of our police and prison systems.

We can't afford oversight of our corrupt health care and education systems.

We can't even oversee the CIA and NSA to prevent decades of violent war.

And we can't even get our largest corporations to pay taxes.

And our trade deals in China and India? We can't afford to monitor those either.

So how in fuck's name are we going to afford the massive regulatory infrastructure needed for TPP?

OK, it's a trick question. We can't. It will never happen. Not now, not ever.

The large corporate beneficiaries WILL NOT play by any rules. They don't have to.

President Obama has shown that there is simply no incentive for any corporation to do the right thing.

A slap on the wrist, a modest fine, you fire a couple of minions, give the CEO a 20% bonus for being proactive and back to business as usual.

TPP will bury future generations in debt and lost opportunity.

Once the damage is done, it will be impossible to undo.

Shame on any Democrat who shills for this corporate gift from hell.

[Cheese Sandwich]

1. This country is destroyed. TPP would be the nail in the coffin.

[rhett o rick]

2. The anti-progressives among us seem to ignore that we have the highest infant mortality

rate of all major countries. That we have 22% of our children living in poverty. They want to elect Clinton and hang on to their status quo just a little longer. Maybe, just maybe they will get a trickle or two.

[Enthusiast]

19. +1 an entire shit load.

[BrotherIvan]

3. Well said

[PADemD]

4. I wish some Congressman would read this

Into the Congressional Record for us people.

[jalan48]

5. Great post. Thanks for the logic on this one.

[ucrdem]

6. Thanks for laying out your total lack of evidence so clearly. nt

[Elwood P Dowd]

7. And the following thank you for the support. I'm sure your front group pays you well also.

Mitch McConnell
Paul Ryan
Orrin Hatch
Rand Paul
Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney
George W. Bush
Scott Walker
John Boehner
David Koch
Charles Koch
Jamie Dimon
Monsanto
The Business Round table
Wall Street
Americans For Prosperity
Cato
The Heritage Foundation
Exxon Mobil
The Republican National Committee
Fox News
General Electric
Wal Mart
The Pete Peterson Foundation
Citigroup
The US Chamber Of Commerce
Bank Of America

[ucrdem]

13. I'm not so sure. nt

[KMOD]

8. I would like to see the details first, thank you.

And then I would like to decide for myself.

[Elwood P Dowd]

10. When you see it, the deal will be done. It will be too late.

If they get the votes for TPA to pass, then you will know TPP is guaranteed. I can't recall any major trade deal being stopped once TPA is in force.

[KMOD]

11. I've read that there is an out.

the fast track can be taken away.

Plus, they can all vote no, if it turns out to be horrible.

[ucrdem]

14. And Obama can veto it

or pocket veto i.e. let it die like he let XL pipeline die.

[Enthusiast]

20. You actually believe Obama would veto the TPP?

[TheKentuckian]

27. Obama is the one pushing the deal. If he was going to veto then why would he submit it?

This thought process is insane.

Please explain why he would submit an agreement like this if he didn't support it? What possible benefit are you seeing from such an exchange?

You can't rationally believe any such nonsense, this is pure snake oil salesmanship or something like religious ferver.

[Elwood P Dowd]

15. The corporations and mega-rich pushing this are spending tens of millions

of dollars to ram this through. If they buy enough to get TPA, the same bought and paid for politicians will vote for TPP.

[KMOD]

16. Why won't congress let us see it?

Why are they hiding it from us?

The fast track will let us see it, yet many are adamant to stop that. Why?

[ucrdem]

17. Yes, why won't Congress vote to let us see it?

LET THE PEOPLE SEE IT! That's the job we elected them to do!

[TheKentuckian]

25. They who? We don't have enough votes period to stop passage under fast track.

Not even if each and every Democrat held the line.

[G_j]

9. which is exactly why

Republicans love it.

[gordianot]

12. Guess who will get the blame for TPP when the disaster hits?

It will not be the Political Party favored by the Oligarchs and/or the Republicans who will vote for this trade deal. The man who mocks his own party and refuses to release what it says WILL be blamed. He actually had a lasting promising legacy. Wealth redistribution for the middle class and the Oligarchs are home free.

[Enthusiast]

18. K&R! This is the best post on the TPP to appear on DU yet.

We can't! And that's a fact.

Just like the deregulation of Wall Street, once the damage is done we will pay hell correcting it. Especially now that there are very few remaining honest congress people.

It truly is corruption from sea to shining sea. It is organized crime on a scale that is unfathomable to ordinary American citizens.

The only thing this country seems to be able to afford is allowing the MIC to constantly create conflicts so them can skim and defraud the tax payer and unlimited tax cuts for corporations.

[whereisjustice]

23. Thanks! I won't say it's the greatest, however, it is THE central point that has been missing in

discussions. Seriously, we have enough trouble regulating the most basic institutions of our nation, yet we are expected to believe we are going to hire 10,000 regulators and commit billions of dollars to regulating the rest of the world?

It's as if TPP proponents admit that the deal will send millions of jobs to Asia, but it's OK because there are strong regulations for fair labor practices and human rights. Sure, you'll lose your job, but the person getting it will be treated slightly better than a pile of dogshit.

TPP should be torpedoed on the basis of that absurd proposition alone.

What are people thinking when they shill for this deal?

[Enthusiast]

32. I wish they could hear your argument when it comes to negotiations.

But, as with the other bullshit, all the good arguments and advocacy will be left completely out.

[Scuba]

21. K and effing R

[whereisjustice]

24. Thanks - I wish the proponents would address this critical deficiency in their advocacy. I can't see

how they possibly can do it without tripping all over themselves and looking foolish.

[whereisjustice]

22. Who forgets the promises of economic prosperity around banking deregulation? The same

arguments are being made for TPP. Rising tide raises all boats, blah, blah, blah.

This bill is designed to separate the last shred of political influence and justice from citizens. It takes democracy away from people and hands it to corporations on a large solid gold platter.

[CharlotteVale]

26. K&R

[TheKentuckian]

28. Plus, it isn't even trying to. Isn't the bulk of the game waiting on shrimp processing companies

to sue Vietnam because their wages are too low and similar ridiculous Rube Goldberg machines to work out the details all to standards far below our shitty ones?

We don't even get your problem because the effort is too phony to reach a threshold where such concerns even apply. They are just mouthing regulation but got nothing for you on who, what, when, and how.

[whereisjustice]

29. Rube Goldberg - a good way to put it. It's certainly not a large team of regulators

in every country, carefully monitoring wages, human rights abuses and environmental quality with a hot phone to President Obama.

After all the systemic fraud and abuse we've lived through recently, who would put their trust in the purity of the free market to ensure quality of life standards in these countries (and ours)?

[woo me with science]

30. "Shame on any Democrat who shills for this corporate gift from hell."

Indeed. The moral bankruptcy stuns...

Thank you.

[whereisjustice]

31. You are very welcome!

[Enthusiast]

33. The moral bankruptcy has reached massive proportions.

On scale it looks something like this.

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