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still_one

(92,055 posts)
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:48 AM May 2015

Sherrod Brown Says Obama Was 'Disrespectful' To Elizabeth Warren In Trade Spat because of her gender

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/12/sherrod-brown-elizabeth-warren-trade_n_7269998.html

Really "Sherrod"? So you have to resort to calling the President a sexist because he referred to Elizabeth Warren by her first name, (heaven forbid), and said she was political

If that is the standard, I guess the way much of DU refers to "Hillary", is also disrespectful, and by his criteria, obviously because "of her gender"


Criticizing the President on the TPP is one thing, but bringing in that he is sexist because he refers to her as "political", and by her first name is beyond ridiculous.

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Sherrod Brown Says Obama Was 'Disrespectful' To Elizabeth Warren In Trade Spat because of her gender (Original Post) still_one May 2015 OP
Sore winner. ucrdem May 2015 #1
actually, he has TheSarcastinator May 2015 #3
Not true, and have fun trying to walk back that whopper. nt ucrdem May 2015 #6
no more ridiculous than claiming Dems who oppose the TPP are racist TheSarcastinator May 2015 #2
So you agree that calling Senator Warren by her first name, and saying she is political is sexist? still_one May 2015 #7
Sexist attacks on Hillary=OK for DUer's, however. leftofcool May 2015 #4
I think it was unintentional because he knows Senator Warren personally... hlthe2b May 2015 #5
I think Senator Brown should have stuck criticism to TPP and TPA. Even suggesting that the still_one May 2015 #9
As I said, I think it was unintentional on Obama's part because he knows her well... hlthe2b May 2015 #10
The President of NOW agrees with Sherrod Brown. NOVA_Dem May 2015 #8
Man has a difference of opinion with woman...SEXIST! BeyondGeography May 2015 #13
Minor nit...National Organization ~for~ Women, not ~of~ Women. Cerridwen May 2015 #22
Claire McCaskill was just on MSNBC saying Obama calls EVERYBODY octoberlib May 2015 #11
During press conferences? brentspeak May 2015 #12
White liberals need to stop inferring that this country's sufrommich May 2015 #14
People who call the Prez by only his last name (or worse)... JaneyVee May 2015 #15
I remember that DU rant, and how many here at DU were supportive still_one May 2015 #19
If not being sexist, Obama is nonetheless denigrating her and the other TPP critics brentspeak May 2015 #16
He showed condescension and contempt towards Warren. n/t NOVA_Dem May 2015 #17
Then that is what Brown should have said, the attacks are too personal from the still_one May 2015 #18
I dunno. I suspect the president would have lied on the subject even if called out by a man. n/t Orsino May 2015 #20
Stupid statement AgingAmerican May 2015 #21

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
3. actually, he has
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:50 AM
May 2015

Do you know ANYTHING about Sherrod Brown, at all?

On edit: please call him a racist again and compare him the the KKK, like you did in the other thread. I find it freaking HILARIOUS.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
6. Not true, and have fun trying to walk back that whopper. nt
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:54 AM
May 2015
TheSarcastinator
3. actually, he has
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Do you know ANYTHING about Sherrod Brown, at all?

On edit: please call him a racist again and compare him the the KKK, like you did in the other thread. I find it freaking HILARIOUS.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
2. no more ridiculous than claiming Dems who oppose the TPP are racist
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:49 AM
May 2015

Which is happening right here at DU. So.....nice try.

hlthe2b

(102,061 posts)
5. I think it was unintentional because he knows Senator Warren personally...
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:54 AM
May 2015

and I don't think President Obama is, at his core, a sexist man nor did so intentionally (although it is a tactic used to diminish accomplished women in similar contexts). On the same score, former SOS and Senator Hillary Clinton has asked to be referred to as 'Hillary'.

That said, it makes me very uncomfortable when the media does so with other prominent women while referring to similarly accomplished men by their titles. THAT is very sexist.

still_one

(92,055 posts)
9. I think Senator Brown should have stuck criticism to TPP and TPA. Even suggesting that the
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:58 AM
May 2015

President's attacks on Warren were too personal are free game, but effectively saying the president only did that because Elizabeth Warren is a women, makes absolutely no sense

hlthe2b

(102,061 posts)
10. As I said, I think it was unintentional on Obama's part because he knows her well...
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:01 AM
May 2015

I also said, it is an intentional tactic on the part of some--especially the media to diminish accomplished women, so NO, Senator Brown is not wrong about that and it does make sense in the global context--even, if perhaps not here.

NOVA_Dem

(620 posts)
8. The President of NOW agrees with Sherrod Brown.
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:58 AM
May 2015
SNIP
Well, the president of the National Organization of Women was asked about the same issue by The Hill, and said the same thing, without all the sugarcoating.

Terry O’Neill said, “Yes, I think it is sexist. I think the president was trying to build up his own trustworthiness on this issue by convincing us that Senator Warren’s concerns are not to be taken seriously. But he did it in a sexist way.”

And the subtext of Obama’s remarks dismissing Warren as just another politician, she said, was just “the little lady just doesn’t know what she’s talking about.”


http://www.mediaite.com/online/now-president-obama-criticized-elizabeth-warren-in-sexist-way/

Cerridwen

(13,252 posts)
22. Minor nit...National Organization ~for~ Women, not ~of~ Women.
Wed May 13, 2015, 11:30 AM
May 2015

Kind of a liberal feminist's version of Democrat Party versus Democratic Party.

From the hill's version regarding the yahoo interview:

"Yes, I think it is sexist," O'Neill said. "I think the president was trying to build up his own trustworthiness on this issue by convincing us that Senator Warren's concerns are not to be taken seriously. But he did it in a sexist way."

<snip>

O'Neill said Obama's "clear subtext is that the little lady just doesn't know what she's talking about."

"I think it was disrespectful," O'Neill said.


I'd like to see an actual transcript of the entire interview. I'd like to see the specific question to which Ms. O'Neill responded. Yeah, I don't trust the hill's integrity in reporting accurately and in context.

For those who missed the interview at yahoo from which this latest "scandal" erupted, here's the link to the full 21-2ish minute interview. The response being discussed occurs at about 15 minutes in. https://news.yahoo.com/video/exclusive-interview-president-barack-obama-123805395.html

Or, if you'd rather see the out-of-context portion currently being...discussed, here's a link to the minute and 25 seconds of that piece of the interview: https://news.yahoo.com/video/president-obama-sen-warren-elizabeth-173242186.html

There was some interesting information in the first 15 minutes of the interview. Not quite what I had been reading from the "main stream media."

I find it interesting that the media is now choosing to focus on a minute and 25 seconds during the final 5 or so minutes of the interview rather than the preceding 15 minutes that had some interesting information.

I would guess, well, dishonest, unreliable, profit-driven, "reporting" for bucks and spin.

But then, I notice the difference in meaning between "of" and "for".





octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
11. Claire McCaskill was just on MSNBC saying Obama calls EVERYBODY
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:04 AM
May 2015

by their first names, even foreign leaders. This wasn't sexism.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
14. White liberals need to stop inferring that this country's
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:14 AM
May 2015

first African American president is behaving nefariously when they disagree with him. There's already rumblings in the African American community that he's being treated disrespectfully. Crap like this isn't helping.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
15. People who call the Prez by only his last name (or worse)...
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:16 AM
May 2015

Mad at Prez who called Elizabeth by her first name.

"POS used car salesman"

still_one

(92,055 posts)
19. I remember that DU rant, and how many here at DU were supportive
Wed May 13, 2015, 10:57 AM
May 2015

of that rant. It was one of the most disappointing disrespectful threads I have seen posted on DU

Disagreeing with the President is one thing, but the verbal profane abuse is inappropriate

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
16. If not being sexist, Obama is nonetheless denigrating her and the other TPP critics
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:17 AM
May 2015

Obama's use of the word "dishonest" wasn't exactly a sign of respect.

still_one

(92,055 posts)
18. Then that is what Brown should have said, the attacks are too personal from the
Wed May 13, 2015, 10:45 AM
May 2015

President, not that he did it because she is a women, or sexist. I have no doubt that Elizabeth Warren does not feel that Obama is a sexist

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