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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Wed May 13, 2015, 12:54 PM May 2015

Third Way's Jim Kessler tweets Trade Deal back on floor in 7 to 10 days.

He tweets it over and over. Here is his tweet to the National Journal.


Jim Kessler @ThirdWayKessler · 20h 20 hours ago

.@nationaljournal This bill is back on the floor in 7 to 10 days. Dems trying to win concessions on must move legislation.


And he goes with the scare tactic about China which we have been hearing a lot.

Jim Kessler @ThirdWayKessler · 16h 16 hours ago

.@HorsleyScott @nprnews Well, China will be writing those rules if we don't pass #tpa


Kessler's the one who recently made his position clear about we the people of the party who are fighting back against the secretive trade deal.

The Trade Deal Tearing the Dems Apart

Obama continued his war on Warren through the weekend, reminding Democrats that she doesn’t walk on water, that she’s a politician. Warren, he insists, is fighting an old fight going back to NAFTA, a free trade agreement signed by President Clinton in 1994.

“He should have done this long ago,” says Jim Kessler, a founder of Third Way, a centrist Democratic group that is pro-trade. “He’s allowed Democrats to take a two-by-four to his signature economic achievement of his second term, which is to expand exports in the biggest market of the world, Asia. He needed to treat these attacks on it as though Ted Cruz were making them. Instead, he made it feel like if you’re a Democrat you can say anything and he’s not going to care.”


He's "allowed" us to do it? Catch that word allowed?

I am a Democrat, and I feel I don't need to run what I say by Third Way Kessler or the president.

And he's the one who says ISDS is no big deal at all.

ISDS allows companies to sue host countries in special ad hoc tribunes. Phillip Morris is currently using ISDS to challenge regulations in foreign countries on packaging cigarettes with prominent health warnings that might discourage sales. Corporations have won in other countries, but never in the United States. “The ISDS argument borders on silly,” says Kessler. “We’ve never lost a case and nothing will happen to Dodd-Frank.” Warren’s argument is “as off-base as death panels,” he says, a comparison that Obama also makes.





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Third Way's Jim Kessler tweets Trade Deal back on floor in 7 to 10 days. (Original Post) madfloridian May 2015 OP
He is right Egnever May 2015 #1
McConnell will make sure that it is.... think May 2015 #3
Reid and schumer will help him Robbins May 2015 #4
How about Robbins May 2015 #2
China actually has a lot to do with people in this country. Hoyt May 2015 #6
Guaranteed to be back soon and pass! leftofcool May 2015 #5
Put your money where your mouth is RoccoR5955 May 2015 #36
Here's an example of ISDS in action octoberlib May 2015 #7
same could happen here Robbins May 2015 #8
Of course. It's also happening in Canada and Australia. octoberlib May 2015 #11
Thank You For That !!! WillyT May 2015 #9
WillyT octoberlib May 2015 #12
Thanks for the link. madfloridian May 2015 #16
K & R !!! WillyT May 2015 #10
Yesterday's Senate vote was only a road bump. tritsofme May 2015 #13
Bipartisan ha! Robbins May 2015 #14
Omnipartisan? L0oniX May 2015 #24
Buy-Partisan nationalize the fed May 2015 #26
Exactly. Enthusiast May 2015 #31
What Kessler really means: Silly old Democrats, they think they actually matter. madfloridian May 2015 #15
Abusing government office to ram-rod programs that undermine individual rights Baitball Blogger May 2015 #17
If I had any doubt at all about what TPP means to average people...Kessler's remarks madfloridian May 2015 #18
Exactly. That dismissive, arrogant, narcissitic attitude should sound off alarms to any Baitball Blogger May 2015 #25
I think Pres Obama's remarks sealed it. We know who Kessler is, but a rhett o rick May 2015 #27
He erected the China bogeyman to back up his attack on the liberal Democrats. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #19
Yep, just follow the talking points back to the policy maker think tanks. madfloridian May 2015 #20
Or, vice-versa. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #21
Same scare tactics as used for NAFTA marym625 May 2015 #22
Follow the money - Mike Gravel L0oniX May 2015 #23
Democrats can look for a fair deal? kentuck May 2015 #28
Dead wrong, Jim. It only took one day. madfloridian May 2015 #29
Kicked and recommended! Third Way is not centrist. Enthusiast May 2015 #30
Kessler is an idiot. blackspade May 2015 #32
K & R appalachiablue May 2015 #33
Pete Peterson Wins! Octafish May 2015 #34
Of course he does. I think we have all known it was a done deal from the start. madfloridian May 2015 #35
Third Way Kessler used that same kind of condescending language towards Elizabeth Warren sabrina 1 May 2015 #37
Will the smoking gun come in the form of a financial mushroom cloud? bullwinkle428 May 2015 #38

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
7. Here's an example of ISDS in action
Wed May 13, 2015, 01:04 PM
May 2015

Amid TPP Fight, El Salvador Mining Case Shows Danger of Corporate Tribunals

A Salvadoran delegation is in Canada this week to warn of how investor provisions threaten democracy, public health, and environment


In a case illustrating the dangers of corporate-friendly provisions buried in trade deals like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a secret tribunal is on the brink of issuing a ruling any day that that could force the Central American country of El Salvador to pay $301 million to a Canadian-Australian gold-mining firm.El Salvador's government says the mining company never complied with the minimum legal requirements for obtaining a permit. In addition, there are serious concerns about the social and environmental impacts of mining in a nation where more than 90 percent of the surface water supply is already contaminated, and more than 50 percent of the 6.3 million people depend on one fragile watershed for drinking water.


OceanaGold, which purchased the Vancouver-based Pacific Rim Mining in 2013, is suing El Salvador—the most water-stressed country in the region—for an amount equivalent to 5 percent of its gross domestic product for refusing to grant it a permit to put a gold mine into operation.




But in the wake of the permit rejection—and after the first of three successive Salvadoran Presidents committed to an effective moratorium on new mining projects—Pacific Rim filed a lawsuit in 2009 before the International Center for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID), a little-known World Bank-based tribunal.

Since purchasing Pacific Rim in 2013, Australia's OceanaGold has "stubbornly continued with the case," according to a press release from MiningWatch Canada. The company claims that under the Central American Free Trade Agreement, it has the right to sue the Salvadoran government for passing a law that threatens its bottom line. The ICSID is poised to issue its ruling sometime in 2015.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/05/11/amid-tpp-fight-el-salvador-mining-case-shows-danger-corporate-tribunals


"As the TTIP and TPP negotiations continue, Pacific Rim vs. El Salvador should remind us not to privilege foreign investors to the detriment of the national—or global—good."
—Manuel Pérez-Rocha, Institute for Policy Studies

tritsofme

(17,370 posts)
13. Yesterday's Senate vote was only a road bump.
Wed May 13, 2015, 01:17 PM
May 2015

TPA will pass the Senate with broad bipartisan support. The real fight will be in the House.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
14. Bipartisan ha!
Wed May 13, 2015, 01:21 PM
May 2015

There is only one party anymore.The corporate party.

time we all stop falling for the public campagin with some exceptions there isn't any different between GOP and Dems anymore.

It took TPP to finally show me for sure that.I was complete sucker for supporting Obama.so was all the others against iraq as well
as unions since he is going to help kill unions with TPP.

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
17. Abusing government office to ram-rod programs that undermine individual rights
Wed May 13, 2015, 02:17 PM
May 2015

has a long tradition. One that progressives would like to break, and I guess it begins by calling Kessler out for his dismissive attitude. It's all too common around my local area. Once they get into office they think they have the right to breach their fiduciary responsibilities if they can come up with an elevator pitch that ends with the words, "for the good of the community." And it never, never fails that those shadow programs always benefit the same people, and undermine the rights of everyone else.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
18. If I had any doubt at all about what TPP means to average people...Kessler's remarks
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:31 PM
May 2015

just clarified it all.

Like how dare we question, how dare the president "allow" us to speak out against Third Way plans.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
27. I think Pres Obama's remarks sealed it. We know who Kessler is, but a
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:48 PM
May 2015

Democratic president deriding the progressives of our party. Not that it's a surprise.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
19. He erected the China bogeyman to back up his attack on the liberal Democrats.
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:35 PM
May 2015

What next? Is he going to claim the opponents are on Beijing's payroll?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
20. Yep, just follow the talking points back to the policy maker think tanks.
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:38 PM
May 2015

They love to bait those of us who don't fall in line. They have been doing it since the late 80s, and they don't care if it angers us.

Maybe they really really don't need us anymore.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
35. Of course he does. I think we have all known it was a done deal from the start.
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:45 PM
May 2015

Guess the hell who runs our country now? Not us, for sure.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
37. Third Way Kessler used that same kind of condescending language towards Elizabeth Warren
Fri May 15, 2015, 12:02 PM
May 2015

when he made the mistake of co-authoring his now infamous attack on her in the WSJ.

He needed to treat these attacks on it as though Ted Cruz were making them.

This is where all the attacks on the Left of the party have been coming from.

Starting around 2004 was when I first noticed them on 'liberal' forums.

'Reality based world'
'ponies'
'pet issues' (meaning minority rights and women's rights, which 'they' were not going to allow to cause them to lose)
'extreme left'
'Professional Left' - that's one of their favorites.

Their goal is to demean democrats, to take over this party to push their Wall St agenda and get rid of those in the party who are a threat to those plans.

Watch for the talking points, they are not hard to find.

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