"Your Brother Created ISIS" (At Last Somebody Gives Credit Where Credit Is Due.)

[TrollBuster9090]

19 year old college student states the obvious at Jeb Bush town hall meeting in Nevada.

She had heard Mr. Bush argue, a few moments before, that America’s retreat from the Middle East under President Obama had contributed to the growing power of the Islamic State. She told the former governor that he was wrong, and made the case that blame lay with the decision by the administration of his brother George W. Bush to disband the Iraqi Army.

“It was when 30,000 individuals who were part of the Iraqi military were forced out — they had no employment, they had no income, and they were left with access to all of the same arms and weapons,” Ms. Ziedrich said.

She's referring, of course, to one of the biggest blunders the Bush Administration ever made, when Paul Bremmer decided to fire the entire Iraqi army, most of whom were Suni. (And believe me, the list of blunders made by the Bush Administration in Iraq is so long that it's not easy to pick the biggest blunder.)

I believe Al Franken summarized that blunder better with a joke when he said that Bush told the Suni Army "You're all fired! Get out of here, and take your weapons with you!"

However, I can't really say it was George Bush that created ISIS. The neoconservative philosophy that you can bomb, invade, and otherwise bully people into behaving the way you want them to behave that created ISIS, Al Qaida and any number of other villains. When will we ever learn?

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/05/13/college-student-to-jeb-bush-your-brother-created-isis/?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000&_r=0

[Purveyor]

1. Without a doubt. We broke it, indeed. eom

[Backwoodsrider]

2. read the headline "Your Brother Created ISIS"

and assumed it was something Obama said to the 2 Saudi guys he was to meet with

oops

[MH1]

6. That's an odd reading.

ISIS is not Al-Qaeda. And it's a pretty fundamental conclusion that GWB created ISIS by blowing up the institutions of safety, security, and civilization in general in Iraq, and especially for the Sunni in Iraq.

[Backwoodsrider]

8. about 3 years ago Saudi nephew created ISIS to fight Bashar al-Assad in Syria

I read he was the defense minister for Saudi Arabia and was tasked with getting a group of militants together to do their dirty work. That group is now self supporting with the smuggling of oil.

That's why I honestly thought Obama called them on their sh!t lol

[calimary]

26. Welcome to DU, Backwoodsrider!

Glad you're here! Lovely bunch of people, 'eh? Sometimes I'm just at a loss for words. I hope jebbie never shakes off confrontations with informed young people. Or informed WHOEVER people. I hope his idiot brother hangs around his neck like a noose for the rest of his political life.

I was actually pleasantly surprised to see some dots prominently connected on MSNBC today. Chris Matthews, who I usually consider little more than a slobbering rube, NAILED one today. Topic: jeb bush, and his finally deciding to say he would not have invaded Iraq, knowing what he knows now. Nobody's been talking about this but by Jove Chris Matthews brought it up. Several times during his show. The discussion was - "well, is this really where jeb stands on Iraq now?" As in - "can we count on this being the REAL jeb if he gets in the White House?" Chris Matthews brought up that anybody with paul wolfowitz among his foreign policy advisors is NOT exactly suddenly gonna turn peacenik on Iraq. Far from it, I suspect.

I suspect paul wolfowitz is ITCHING to get back into power so he can finish what he started - desperate to be vindicated so that the world would be forced to admit he was right about Iraq after all.

Chris Matthews actually brought that up. Several times. I was impressed. Having paul wolfowitz on your foreign policy team means nothing but trouble. REGARDLESS what your words say.

[Backwoodsrider]

27. I could no believe it when I heard Wolfowitz was on Jebs team

Talk about riding the horse he took to church or however that goes. Wofie is a 10 ton rock around anybody he sides with. Sent me wondering if he even wants to win. I don't trust any of them but especially the Bush family.

Yeah Chris the spitter sometimes will not be quiet and let his quests talk but he is a democrat which is rare amoung news casters. Did you watch Rachel Maddow? I am going to catch her tonight.

[Chemisse]

32. It is incredibly disturbing that Jeb thinks

That taking on the old W team is a winning move.

Anyone would think he would be running away from his brother's horrendous record, not proposing a rerun of the disaster.

[pansypoo53219]

3. bremer, but i bet he was led by idiot & vice idiot. CIA said NOT to.

[staggerleem]

13. Gotta love the title Bremner gave himself.

VICEROY! "Yeah, that's the ticket - L. Paul Bremer - Viceroy of Iraq! - Get a few thousand business cards printed up, Ethel!"

Just one question, pansy - Which idiot was Vice-Idiot, and which was Idiot-in-chief?

[napkinz]

4. George W. Bush ... Father Of ISIS

[Dont call me Shirley]

15. Father of Taliban

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://deadline.com/2011/03/all-former-u-s-presidents-to-get-together-for-tv-special-honoring-george-w-h-bush-111003/&h=432&w=370&tbnid=H47pptQAl2i0QM:&zoom=1&docid=HuQWD95UtABjvM&hl=en-US&ei=4fVUVaj_CsfvtQW4hIDoBA&tbm=isch&ved=0CCoQMygMMAw

[Cha]

5. And they put it in the NYT! Yay. Look at him all stupid up there pointing at someone and

all serious like he's going to do anything but LIE.

But, it's Obama's Fault..



Mahalo TrollBushter!

[Ineeda]

20. I'm not one who often mocks

physical appearance, but in that NYT picture Jebbie is making that monkey-mouth his brother was famous for. Can't you hear it, that quintessential monkey call? "Ow, ow, ow," while scratching his armpits.

[Rex]

22. And to this day some still blame the black guy!

[Sherman A1]

7. K&R!

Had we not invaded Iraq in the first place then ISIL would most likely not be an issue.

[George II]

10. And had Father Bush not bivouaced American troops on Saudi holy land....

...bin Laden would have remained our ally and history would have been SO much different.

To the American electorate, if it comes down to another bush candidate - "three strikes and you're out!"

[LiberalLovinLug]

11. Not to mention Grampa Bush

...if he would have been prosecuted as he should have been for treason after his attempted coup of the USA. Or lost his profits for trading with the enemy. All those profits he made dealing with Adolf were the basis for the multi-million dollar Bush empire rising, and the ability for his son to rise in the establishment and become President, then his son, and now his other son has a shot.

[Dragonfly]

24. Ivy speaking up such a good story and

That's how I feel, as well: Sherman A1. Good for Ivy. Hope she gets some more air/print time as a tender-in-years informed citizen.

[heaven05]

9. Ms. Ziedrich

[Sunlei]

12. Ivy Ziedrich is the Heroine of today! a 19 yr old, destroyed Jeb Bushs 10 million dollar media day.

And may have holed his entire 'run for president' ship. Quick republicans spend more to shine your favorite turd.

[Volaris]

14. I just love how HE accused HER of trying to 're-write history'..

the Projection is strong with this one, indeed...

[DhhD]

23. Jebby has made two big blunders in two weeks that cannot be rewritten. LOL by Progressives.

[Dont call me Shirley]

16. Ivy...

[Botany]

17. Jeb helped to make ISIS too

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no Florida 2000 = no 9/11

no 9/11 = no war in Iraq

no US war in Iraq = no ISIS

Thanks Jeb your cheating put w into the White House and he and Cheney lied us
into Iraq and that made for ISIS.

[7962]

19. 9/11 or not, Cheney would've still found a way to start the war. nt

[7962]

18. Hey, at least he let somebody in that wasnt hand picked.

I've seen Bernie Sanders do it, even going on O'Reilly. Lets see if Hillary EVER takes a question thats not from a pre-screened person

[red dog 1]

21. K&R

a thousand times!

[smiley]

25. Iraq happened exactly the way they wanted it...

Every blunder was an intentional blunder, executed to perfection to cause chaos for decades to follow.

[harrose]

28. Every Single Rethug In This Country Should Be Tried and Convicted...

... for everything that ISIS and Al Queda do. It's all because of them that this has come to pass. Every person who helped put these criminals in power should be held accountable.

[tavernier]

29. It takes a brave young woman

to do something that not one of the overpaid, spoiled "news journalists" have the guts to even attempt.

So proud of her!!

[napkinz]

30. Ivy Ziedrich on Hardball now! nt

[Historic NY]

31. Pottery Barn rule..

if you break it you own it..

[polynomial]

33. Who's on first I don't know is on second

So what America knows now, or what Bush knows now, it was a mistake to enter into war with Iraq.

That means America not only created more extremist, created huge amount of refugees, millions fled to Syria, which is unstable now.

The Bush Policy installed an illegal government in Iraq that prosecuted indicted and hung a leader of a sovereign nation grandstanding on cable news, all complicit by mainstream media.

Bush now marques America with an incredible embarrassment in political economic crime, identity theft, and profiteering via the military industrial complex.

Bush does not want to talk about the veterans’ legacy of post traumatic stress which is exampled by the highest suicide rate of American military personnel ever, not including the serious physical medical injuries advertised everyday on free air television begging for money because they cut veteran benefits.

Bush does not want to talk about the issues of war as a mistake because of the criminal elements of torture with Nazi type secret gulags, mercenary murders, and that modus operandi of Bush business partnership with the famous Arab terrorist family the Bin Laden’s in sorted banking deals while all the while asking for Osama Bin Laden dead or alive then not caring about him is very telling as a complicit pact of treason.