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UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:24 PM May 2015

Pentagon preparing for mass civil breakdown

Social science is being militarised to develop 'operational tools' to target peaceful activists and protest movements

A US Department of Defense (DoD) research programme is funding universities to model the dynamics, risks and tipping points for large-scale civil unrest across the world, under the supervision of various US military agencies. The multi-million dollar programme is designed to develop immediate and long-term "warfighter-relevant insights" for senior officials and decision makers in "the defense policy community," and to inform policy implemented by "combatant commands."

Launched in 2008 – the year of the global banking crisis – the DoD 'Minerva Research Initiative' partners with universities "to improve DoD's basic understanding of the social, cultural, behavioral, and political forces that shape regions of the world of strategic importance to the US."

Among the projects awarded for the period 2014-2017 is a Cornell University-led study managed by the US Air Force Office of Scientific Research which aims to develop an empirical model "of the dynamics of social movement mobilisation and contagions." The project will determine "the critical mass (tipping point)" of social contagians by studying their "digital traces" in the cases of "the 2011 Egyptian revolution, the 2011 Russian Duma elections, the 2012 Nigerian fuel subsidy crisis and the 2013 Gazi park protests in Turkey."

Twitter posts and conversations will be examined "to identify individuals mobilised in a social contagion and when they become mobilised."

Another project awarded this year to the University of Washington "seeks to uncover the conditions under which political movements aimed at large-scale political and economic change originate," along with their "characteristics and consequences." The project, managed by the US Army Research Office, focuses on "large-scale movements involving more than 1,000 participants in enduring activity," and will cover 58 countries in total.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jun/12/pentagon-mass-civil-breakdown


Older article but since I replied to a Jade Helm thread I thought this may add some insight to what the Jade Helm training may be about. If this is considered tin foil or conspiracy stuff sorry for the inconvenience and will remove this post.

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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
2. I was fine with Jade Helm until I heard the FBI and CIA were going to be involved.
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:30 PM
May 2015

There were several threads about that, this week.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
6. Homeland Security also
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:38 PM
May 2015

this is why I believe this training may be applied here in the US. If not here then of course in another country in which we would not be battling other military forces but acting as an occupying force.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
8. Police are already using military
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:46 PM
May 2015

tactics and weapons, thirty years ago people would be outraged at the force used. Now we are OK with military personal in Penn Station 24/7 here in NY. Slow boil seems to work well..... but what the hell it's all about safety so they say.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. civil unrest can and does lead to military conflict.
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:34 PM
May 2015

See, e.g. Syria and Libya.

So, the Pentagon would want to be able to see what's coming down the road.



okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
11. We've missed so many revolution type incidents. We were blindsided by the Berlin wall falling,
Thu May 14, 2015, 02:11 PM
May 2015

most of the Arab spring and other incidents. We do not have a good grasp of what the underlying idicators for civil unrest are.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. The Pentagon is also planning for invasion by Extra Terrestrials.
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:41 PM
May 2015

So, you expect "Independence Day" to erupt soon?

Btw, the Pentagon has been preparing for mass civil breakdown since there was a Pentagon. And considering such a thing happened in 1791 and 1865, it's not unreasonable to think it could happen again.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
10. You agree that it is possible and even probably
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:58 PM
May 2015

yet you try to dismiss the thought using Independence Day. Never questioning the motives of our leaders or the military IMO is very dangerous. Twelve years ago people would be ridiculed and even blackballed for questioning Bush and his claims of WMD and trucks roaming around Iraq making chemical weapons. You may be right I may be crazy.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. No, I don't.
Thu May 14, 2015, 02:51 PM
May 2015

The job of the DoD is to develop a plan for EVERYTHING. One of those is the possibility of urban insurrection. We've had two in our country's history, so it's a lot more logical to plan for that than to plan for war with Canada.

But guess what? We have a plan for war with Canada. Doesn't mean anyone in the military actually thinks war with Canada will erupt soon.

Your concerns are as valid as the Texans insisting they are about to be imprisoned in closed Wal-Marts.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
14. You say no
Thu May 14, 2015, 03:22 PM
May 2015

but then you write that is the job of the military to be prepared since we have had two urban insurrections. My concern have nothing to do with collection guns, tunnels under closed Walmarts or whatever Alex Jones has pimped to get clicks. My concern is putting all our trust into the military and the Pentagon. Many do not trust the police these days but many of those police officers are former military, funny how an uniform change changes our view.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. You know, aluminum foil actually increases RF signals.
Thu May 14, 2015, 03:33 PM
May 2015

Make sure you pop for real tin foil.

My concern is putting all our trust into the military and the Pentagon.

Feel free to point out where there is any trust in my posts.

Their job is to plan for any contingency, no matter how remote. Because when that event happens, it's better to react with a plan than to react without one.

You think that is trust. It's not.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
18. Tin foil indeed
Thu May 14, 2015, 04:08 PM
May 2015

name calling and personal attacks are wonderful way of getting your point across. Thanks for the replies

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. DoD also gamed out strategies for a sea war with Great Britain
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:48 PM
May 2015

DoD also gamed out strategies for a sea war with Great Britain during the inter-war period. The Rainbow Plan was a series of strategies to use in any potential conflict with Japan, Great Britain, even France.

This is what a national general staff is supposed to do... game out potential scenarios (even the half-baked ones such as war with France), and provide a strategic solution to the possibility should it arise.

With The Rainbow Plan, a portion of it was dedicated to a naval conflict with Japan (War Plan Orange), which actually happened and the plan was adopted until late 1942 when newer fleet doctrines became available.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
12. Well that is a bit different
Thu May 14, 2015, 02:18 PM
May 2015

NSA and data collection is done against millions of innocent people here in the US. IMO it is all a part of this problem. Now if someone questions these practices they are labeled as nuts and silenced by "peer pressure" which I feel is a tool of the propaganda we have been taught since 9/11. We should always be allowed to discuss these matter openly and not fear ridicule for questioning our leaders or the military.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. A general staff's fundamental purpose is to prepare for all potential contingencies.
Thu May 14, 2015, 03:28 PM
May 2015

"Well that is a bit different" What then, is the precise, relevant and objective difference?

A general staff's fundamental purpose is to prepare for all potential contingencies. That has been its purpose since the concept was developed prior to the Napoleonic conflicts.

"IMO it is all a part of this problem." Post hoc ergo prompter hoc in this context.


Nor is anyone denying your ability to discuss this... nor is anyone silencing you. Additionally, fearing ridicule is a choice in most cases (a defense to hide behind in others).

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
19. As you can tell
Thu May 14, 2015, 04:19 PM
May 2015

I do not stay silent on these types of issues, it is what I observe when I or others try to discuss such matters. I just stated what I think is the reason for this type of training and the purpose of our military in today's world. I don't believe it is so far from the reality of situation.

lpbk2713

(42,750 posts)
15. Getting corruption and ineptitude out of government would be a major improvement.
Thu May 14, 2015, 03:26 PM
May 2015




Instead of being proactive they are waiting to be reactive.
There's more money in it for them that way.

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