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icymist

(15,888 posts)
Thu May 14, 2015, 08:59 PM May 2015

Sacred Native Site to Be Buried by New St. Louis NFL Stadium

Change, in the name of progress, has swept across this country since the first Europeans came to America, covering up what was already here along the way.

Now, it appears the artifacts of yet another ancient civilization are going to be paved over with the construction of the new St. Louis stadium on the riverfront near the Edward Jones Dome. The proposed site for the nearly one-billion-dollar stadium happens to be in the vicinity of where a once thriving Native American town with a vast plaza and nearly two dozen earthen mounds existed about 900 years ago. The Cahokian-era civilization is thought to be similar to the well-known Cahokia Mounds in Collinsville, Illinois across the river.

The Osage consider themselves descendants of the mound builders. Any more disturbances of the former mounds — even for research — would be a desecration. Everett Waller, the chairman of the Osage Minerals Council, told ICTMN, “That was our land on the mass of those two rivers. It pre-dated Cahokia. It has been a major pre-historic landmark for the Osage. It wasn’t just us, but we were encamped there for at least 400 years. So much of the history of my family campsites, both oral and educational, come from that area.”


Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/04/29/sacred-native-site-be-buried-new-st-louis-nfl-stadium-160186

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Sacred Native Site to Be Buried by New St. Louis NFL Stadium (Original Post) icymist May 2015 OP
The capitalists want to destroy everything. n/t ms liberty May 2015 #1
I hope the stadium becomes haunted.... chillfactor May 2015 #2
Make the site a park and build the stadium elsewhere FLPanhandle May 2015 #3
exactly Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #4
Stadiums are the second-largest waste of real estate in this country Scootaloo May 2015 #5
Number 4: Art_from_Ark May 2015 #8
5. Cemeteries FLPanhandle May 2015 #9
Ironically that's what this stadium is going ot be built on Scootaloo May 2015 #11
Things you don't like =\= wasted space Taitertots May 2015 #22
Parking lots? bigwillq May 2015 #25
PLEASE x post in First Americans Omaha Steve May 2015 #6
Please, Omaha Steve, do so in my name. icymist May 2015 #21
So are the mounds still there and the area is pristine...? Oktober May 2015 #7
That's sad - now an off topic remark TexasProgresive May 2015 #10
The city/state is contributing $250m or $350m, depending on which source you believe LittleBlue May 2015 #12
what bonehead in the zoning or planning departments got paid off to approve this nonsense? niyad May 2015 #13
fuck sports stadiums. build them to last. NOT DISPOSABLE. OH NOES! its 10 years old!!! pansypoo53219 May 2015 #14
Stadiums are our new temples, madamesilverspurs May 2015 #15
ISIL invade Missouri while I wasn't watching :( PatrynXX May 2015 #16
Why dont they just tear down an abandoned mall or something and build it there?? cstanleytech May 2015 #17
FuxamatterwithUguys? Hoppy May 2015 #18
Another monument to the god of sport. oldandhappy May 2015 #19
Will the Rams have to sleep there the first night? name not needed May 2015 #20
A pic of the site pintobean May 2015 #23
So tired of sports in this country... F4lconF16 May 2015 #24
That is exactly the way that I feel. potone May 2015 #26
sometimes paving actually preserves sites better than excavation Kali May 2015 #27
The current stadium is 20 years old Go Vols May 2015 #28
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
5. Stadiums are the second-largest waste of real estate in this country
Thu May 14, 2015, 09:38 PM
May 2015

Golf courses come in first, parking lots third.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
11. Ironically that's what this stadium is going ot be built on
Thu May 14, 2015, 10:07 PM
May 2015

The average cemetery usually ends up full, and after a while, people stop coming and it stops getting maintained, and becomes another field or bit of woods. Albeit one with big chunky rocks - until someone steals them, or they erode away. I've stumbled on no shortage of such abandoned graveyards in my time hiking in the south, even one up in Alaska. In every case you would have never known it until you whacked your toe on a headstone.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
22. Things you don't like =\= wasted space
Fri May 15, 2015, 06:39 AM
May 2015

Can religious monuments be the fourth largest waste of real estate?

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
25. Parking lots?
Fri May 15, 2015, 12:08 PM
May 2015

As someone who works and plays in New Haven, CT, I will have to disagree. They need to tear down some old building and build parking lots in that city. Finding a spot is so difficult most times.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
21. Please, Omaha Steve, do so in my name.
Fri May 15, 2015, 03:06 AM
May 2015

It would greatly honor me. I no where near have as native American in as you guys do. This is yours.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
7. So are the mounds still there and the area is pristine...?
Thu May 14, 2015, 09:41 PM
May 2015

I will say that the no research bit sends up big warning flags to me.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
10. That's sad - now an off topic remark
Thu May 14, 2015, 10:01 PM
May 2015

Is the NFL footing the nearly $1,000,000,000 bill to built this thing?

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
12. The city/state is contributing $250m or $350m, depending on which source you believe
Thu May 14, 2015, 10:17 PM
May 2015

It will cost roughly $1bn to build

niyad

(113,274 posts)
13. what bonehead in the zoning or planning departments got paid off to approve this nonsense?
Thu May 14, 2015, 10:33 PM
May 2015

and does that community really need a billion dollar stadium? at what cost to the taxpayers in subsidies, tax breaks, etc?

madamesilverspurs

(15,800 posts)
15. Stadiums are our new temples,
Thu May 14, 2015, 10:45 PM
May 2015

and professional athletes are the new gods, showered with absurd amounts of money. We prize the ability to throw a ball above an aptitude for teaching, and there's no way that can end well.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
16. ISIL invade Missouri while I wasn't watching :(
Thu May 14, 2015, 10:51 PM
May 2015

ironic!! sorry not saying Isis thats a god ... and the names of some great cats I know

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
18. FuxamatterwithUguys?
Thu May 14, 2015, 11:21 PM
May 2015

This will be a place where the football team can trot out soldiers to honor for heroism.

Don't you appreciate what our military men do for you?

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
19. Another monument to the god of sport.
Fri May 15, 2015, 12:00 AM
May 2015

Those who build the stadium will see it as amazing. Little to they know that eventually it also will be destroyed in the name of future progress. Wish the area could be preserved as a park. I thot the sacred lands of the native americans were protected from this rape.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
23. A pic of the site
Fri May 15, 2015, 08:02 AM
May 2015

This is the first I've heard of this claim. This is a flat, industrial area that had been developed long ago. St. Louis was called Mound City due to all the burial mounds, so there may be some validity to the claim. I just find it odd that the claim to the property is coming now, when it's in demand and has value.



Here's an interactive pic that shows what is currently there.
http://www.closr.it/canvas/3547/#/spot

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
24. So tired of sports in this country...
Fri May 15, 2015, 11:58 AM
May 2015

The idols, the fetishizing of winning, the sheer waste of money, the blind patriotism, the uber-nationalism, the promotion of the American myth, the exclusion from society of those who don't participate...

Just tired of it, that's all.

potone

(1,701 posts)
26. That is exactly the way that I feel.
Fri May 15, 2015, 12:15 PM
May 2015

I have men friends who have told me that football was the bane of their youth. In high school in much of this country, boys who aren't interested in sports (especially violent sports) have a miserable time of it.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
27. sometimes paving actually preserves sites better than excavation
Fri May 15, 2015, 12:17 PM
May 2015

and since research now seems to = desecration...

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