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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:48 PM May 2015

TPP to eliminate environmental reviews of fracked liquid natural gas export facilities



The Trans-Pacific Partnership is so bad, it's hard to believe -- but this stunning part of the deal has been independently confirmed:

The TPP would eliminate environmental reviews of fracked liquid natural gas export facilities, which could be used to move half of the gas drilled in the US overseas. These massive, multibillion dollar fossil fuel projects would make fracking companies a fortune -- and be completely exempt from federal environmental review.

Fracked gas is difficult and expensive to export. The TPP would rubber stamp facilities that make it easier for Big Oil to ship gas to places where they can sell it at higher pricesThe Trans-Pacific Partnership is so bad, it's hard to believe -- but this stunning part of the deal has been independently confirmed:

The TPP would eliminate environmental reviews of fracked liquid natural gas export facilities, which could be used to move half of the gas drilled in the US overseas. These massive, multibillion dollar fossil fuel projects would make fracking companies a fortune -- and be completely exempt from federal environmental review.

Fracked gas is difficult and expensive to export. The TPP would rubber stamp facilities that make it easier for Big Oil to ship gas to places where they can sell it at higher prices
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TPP to eliminate environmental reviews of fracked liquid natural gas export facilities (Original Post) eridani May 2015 OP
Another reason to call your legislators and the Whitehouse. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #1
Thanks, Joyce! marym625 May 2015 #12
Who's Joyce? Shirley's sister? Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #20
You said don't call you Shirley marym625 May 2015 #21
Well enough, marym, Joyce it is then. Duly noted. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #23
I hope you are not offended marym625 May 2015 #24
And a big smile it was... Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #25
Oh good! marym625 May 2015 #27
I forgot to put a smile on post #23, sorry for the confusion. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #28
Damn! hrmjustin May 2015 #2
You don't find it ironic? Agony May 2015 #10
i have been against fracking a long time. hrmjustin May 2015 #11
I know... Agony May 2015 #19
Well Obama is not against it either as far as I know. hrmjustin May 2015 #22
shit. as if fracking weren't free enough from review- despite new regs cali May 2015 #3
Isn't that special! djean111 May 2015 #4
Looking for a link but finding only general information. (nt) enough May 2015 #5
links from 360.org marym625 May 2015 #15
Anyone know who "independently confirmed" this? Hoyt May 2015 #6
350.org n/t eridani May 2015 #7
Nope. They are ones who made charge, among others they've misinterpreted. Hoyt May 2015 #9
and just what is your evidence for that claim? Do post it. cali May 2015 #13
Looks like a good group. Just checked out their board and advisory committees. madfloridian May 2015 #14
350.org is a very good group and widely recognized as being the leading non-profit cali May 2015 #17
We get it--you'd rather support the fossil fuel industry n/t eridani May 2015 #16
No, but I expect a citation when they say the TPP will bypass certain standards. Hoyt May 2015 #18
I was going to post this In the morning and then got sidetracked marym625 May 2015 #8
Did 2008 convince them they can do anything to us ? n/t orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #26
When the TPP passes into law, Thespian2 May 2015 #29
There's nothing "natural" about fracked gas. hunter May 2015 #30
independently confirmed: by unnamed sources Cryptoad May 2015 #31
But you haven't read the whole thing!!11!!!!1! Doctor_J May 2015 #32
I Trust 350.org colsohlibgal May 2015 #33

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
1. Another reason to call your legislators and the Whitehouse.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:52 PM
May 2015

Every call you make to your Reps, Sens and WH is worth 4,000 constituents voices, so call.

Whitehouse Comments: 202-456-1111

United States Capitol switchboard: 202-224-3121

Agony

(2,605 posts)
10. You don't find it ironic?
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:26 PM
May 2015

That you bang your head in frustration about fracking and yet support Secretary of State Clinton for President and have a "Hillary for America" sig icon while she is and has been arguably a serious proponent of fracking?

http://grist.org/climate-energy/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-hillary-clinton-and-climate-change/

How do you square that circle?

Yours truly in frustration over fracking (and the tenuous ban in NYS) and frack gas storage in NYS (http://gasfreeseneca.com) and frack waste pouring across the PA border into NYS (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/02/06/3620219/fracking-waste-disposed-in-new-york/)

Agony

Agony

(2,605 posts)
19. I know...
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:38 PM
May 2015

that is why I am asking how you square that circle?

All indications are that Hillary is a strong proponent of hydrofracking.

That must be very frustrating.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
22. Well Obama is not against it either as far as I know.
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:41 PM
May 2015

I don't always agree on every issue with her.

Hopefully she will change her view.

Cuomo sc0hocked me as well.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. Nope. They are ones who made charge, among others they've misinterpreted.
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:24 PM
May 2015

They might be good with the science of climate change, but their political stuff is about as trust worthy as the NRA.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. and just what is your evidence for that claim? Do post it.
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:33 PM
May 2015

and not just little old you saying it.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
14. Looks like a good group. Just checked out their board and advisory committees.
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:39 PM
May 2015

Looks like people who can be trusted.

In fact I don't trust very many DC politicians right now of either party.

http://350.org/

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. 350.org is a very good group and widely recognized as being the leading non-profit
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:47 PM
May 2015

on climate change.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. No, but I expect a citation when they say the TPP will bypass certain standards.
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:51 PM
May 2015

They also have no understanding of the ISDS process and print the same junk people post here. It's like everybody is just coying and pasting the same misinformation.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
8. I was going to post this In the morning and then got sidetracked
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:18 PM
May 2015

This treaty will be the end of the US as we know it.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
30. There's nothing "natural" about fracked gas.
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:25 PM
May 2015

It's a fracking marketing term.

Fossil fuels are destroying the "spaceship earth" we know.

We're all riding a rocket to hell.

Some cabins on this spaceship are already burning.

But many in the comfortable well insulated air-conditioned first class cabins will be the last to know, especially those who lock down the hatches against the refugees in the hallways.

Still, they'll burn like the rest of us, even if they manage to avoid the pitchfork and torches angry human mobs.

Mother Nature pays no attention to their wealth, their political power, or their imaginary gods.

Innovative species on this planet come and go. We humans are just not that special.

It seems likely we humans will be short-timers in earth's geologic record.





Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
31. independently confirmed: by unnamed sources
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:50 PM
May 2015

geez people ,,,, Everybody claiming what in it and it doesn't even exist yet......

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
33. I Trust 350.org
Sun May 17, 2015, 02:44 PM
May 2015

Their track record is way better than the people defending the TPP because Obama is for it - as are most republicans of course but the Obama right or wrong crowd pays that no mind.

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