Does productivity (technology) threaten more jobs than TPP????

[CK_John]

IMO; New technology wins hands down all over the world. We need to correctly define the problem. TPP is just a straw dog.

We need to learn to live in a society that at least 50% of the population will not have a defined role, ie a job, without killing each other.....

[99Forever]

1. No

[X_Digger]

2. No.

You feel free to participate in a goddamned race-to-the-bottom-we-don't-pay-viet-nam-wages-yet game.

Me? Fuck no.

Fuck.the.TPP.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. Long term, sure. But that doesn't mean that TPP isn't a horrible thing for workers NOW.

At some point, we have to move to an alternative to capitalism, one that distributes the output of work so that ten people don't starve so that one person can hoard simply because they were born into 'capital' and can afford to own non-human means of production. Hell, at some point we'll have to move beyond money.

[CK_John]

4. Fighting the wrong battle is just a waste of time and effort. We are not going to

increase exports because they no longer need our manufactured goods.

[tech3149]

5. From my viewpoint, they are complimentary problems

Every technological advancement has made the labor of some portion of the population unnecessary. That's bad enough because we can't all be "useless eaters". The addition of "free trade" policies only hastens the extinction of those of us whose contribution to society can be done cheaper elsewhere. This also undercuts our ability for a self sustaining life.
I should gather my thoughts and and write something in praise of inefficiency. The more efficient we, as a whole, become the less we as individuals are needed.

[CK_John]

7. Well I've been posting about driverless cars as being the most political issue

in 2016.

The DMV and IRS are the face of government to 95% of this country and to change every law effecting cars and auto issurance will be a political free for all but all I get is blah blah blah!

[leftstreet]

6. What does technology have to do with international lawsuits?

ISDS gives foreign corporations the right to bring private lawsuits through secretive supra-national tribunals when governments pass laws that protect the public interest, but might harm profits.
...
ISDS allows foreign companies to dodge national justice systems and sue governments in front of self-selected panels of private arbitrators (drawn from the ranks of corporate trade lawyers), whose decisions are binding and cannot be appealed. The system has already generated literally billions of dollars in frivolous claims by foreign corporations against democratic governments.

more

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terra-lawsonremer/the-obscure-trade-provisi_b_7297342.html

How do TPP provisions that can erode public healthcare or environmental laws have anything to do with technology and productivity?

[Mnpaul]

8. If this were true

the companies would still be here with fewer employees. That is not the case.

[CK_John]

9. It's just shear volume. Example Walmart sold about 800,000 bicycles last year.

China sold 1 million bicycles in just Beijing last month.

[Hoyt]

10. I don't know the percentages, but I agree we need to evolve into a society where a lot more

people won't have a job, and will need a guaranteed living-wage or whatever we want to call it. How we pay for that is going to be a tough fight. It's going to be an ugly transition.

No question in my mind that most job "displacements" -- not due to short-term economic factors -- are due to technology.

[treestar]

11. separate issues

It is not a given that the TPP will lose jobs.

New technology also creates new jobs.

It's ironic how much we value work. In the farming age, it made sense. But the whole progress of technology results in work being less hard and less of it needed. So we have to change our view of it somehow.

[cali]

12. probably but huge fail with your op as the TPP is about far fucking more than job loss

it's about "evergreening" of drug patents, making generics much less widely available, it's about the return of SOPA, it's about the environment, it's about expanded corporate rights.

And bullshit to your guess about 50% of the population not having a job.

[CK_John]

13. It is well noted that 50% of college graduates are unemployed or underemployed

open your mind to what is happening around you and there is no need to be so damn nasty.

[MH1]

14. Technology / productivity means more output with less labor.

That should be a GOOD thing.

The problem is how the boon is distributed.

Hell, by now we should probably all be able to work 20 hours a week in order to earn the basics of life to support a family and build a modest retirement fund. That would be 2 jobs for every 1 40 hr/wk job.

But no, the fruits of technological improvement are going by far to the already-wealthy, while the workforce is continually being squeezed to work longer hours for less.

It isn't technology that is the issue here.

[AZ Progressive]

15. You guys will likely change your minds after seeing this