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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Mon May 18, 2015, 03:04 PM May 2015

New WTO Ruling on "Country of Origin Meat Labels" Proves Danger of NAFTA & Now the TPA/TPP

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Monday, May 18
WTO Ruling on Meat Labels Exemplifies Corporate Profits Trumping Democracy

'Country of origin labels' championed by consumer safety and animal welfare advocates were ruled as having a negative impact on large North American meat-packing companies

In a decision food safety and consumer advocates are calling a blow to animal welfare, environmental standards, and democracy, the World Trade Organization on Monday ruled that U.S. labels on packaged meat indicating where cows, chicken or other animals were born, raised and slaughtered are in violation of international trade pacts because they place foreign imports at an economic disadvantage.

The WTO ruling—which is final and not subject to further appeal—is a seen as victory for the U.S. meat-packing industry, which has characterized the "country of origin labels" (COOL) as burdensome and repeatedly challenged them in court. But the decision was decried by critics who say it highlights the far-reaching implications of so-called "free trade" deals which allow multinational corporations and business interests to challenge domestic regulations that threaten their bottom line.

In this case, the WTO challenge was brought by Mexico and Canada, on behalf of their respective meat industries, against the U.S. government for violations of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) by arguing the U.S. labeling regime negatively impacted their ability to compete in the lucrative American market.

"The president says 'we're making stuff up,' about trade deals undermining our consumer and environmental policies," said Lori Wallach of Public Citizen, "but today we have the latest WTO ruling against a popular U.S. consumer policy. Today’s WTO ruling, which effectively orders the U.S. government to stop providing consumers basic information about where their food comes from, offers a clear example of why so many Americans and members of Congress oppose the Fast Tracking of more so-called 'trade' pacts that threaten commonsense consumer safeguards."

According to the Canadian Press:

Canada and Mexico argued the requirement created costly overhead, and logistical problems for an integrated industry where livestock might cross the border multiple times.

The Canadian government argued that it was actually a protectionist measure, designed to discourage imports of foreign meat while doing nothing to benefit food safety.

It blamed the measure for a drastic decline in Canadian meat exports to the U.S. in recent years, and had repeatedly warned that it would retaliate if successful at the WTO.



Though NAFTA was signed into law by President Bill Clinton nearly twenty years ago, the Obama administration is currently pushing two new trade deals— the Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) with European Union nations and the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TTP) with eleven Pacific Rim nations. [b[And even as Obama and other proponents of TPP and TTIP have repeatedly argued these new deals won’t have the power to overturn or circumvent U.S. laws and regulations, the labeling ruling offers a precise example of how the mechanisms contained within such deals can do exactly that.

As the Center for Food Safety noted:

Promoters of Fast Track and the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) have consistently said that fears over potential negative impacts to food safety and other consumer safeguards are overblown. But this WTO ruling further demonstrates that consumer group concerns that trade agreements such as the TPP are indeed legitimate. The WTO case was adjudicated via a dispute resolution system allowing member nation-states to sue one another over domestic policies that are believed to inhibit trade. Alarmingly, TPP’s investor-state provision would go even a step further by allowing corporations to directly sue countries for policies they believe impede profits.[/i
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More at......

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/05/18/wto-ruling-meat-labels-exemplifies-corporate-profits-trumping-democracy
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New WTO Ruling on "Country of Origin Meat Labels" Proves Danger of NAFTA & Now the TPA/TPP (Original Post) KoKo May 2015 OP
Exactly why trade agreements to date have been bad for shoppers. n/t dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #1
Terrible ruling!! Coventina May 2015 #2
Nothing to do with free trade -- again! rogerashton May 2015 #3
Gee, I thought we never lose this sort of thing. djean111 May 2015 #4
Why? Don't you want any Chinese Soylent Green? It's just people. Enthusiast May 2015 #10
No, I want to know where those people are from! djean111 May 2015 #16
Wonder how this affects "kobe" beef from the US? erronis May 2015 #5
This sucks. bvar22 May 2015 #6
No More "Made in USA or any State" labels. Corp. judgment is final, no recourse stuffmatters May 2015 #7
And products coming into U.S. like Fish...won't be labeled KoKo May 2015 #17
Kill the fucking TPP and correct this insane ruling! Enthusiast May 2015 #8
In terms of safety, this is especially important if you eat pork. JDPriestly May 2015 #9
And the TPP will be even worse, if possible. hifiguy May 2015 #11
I don't like this one bit. A Simple Game May 2015 #12
So if the government cannot require their usage what about us consumers? cstanleytech May 2015 #13
K&R! This is why globalization is a huge loss for the non-wealthy. Enthusiast May 2015 #14
ISDS, if TPP/TTIP passes, will be on steroids. Meet the new world...corporate kingdoms Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #15
Just a question as an example: sadoldgirl May 2015 #18
Good Question.... KoKo May 2015 #20
Is it free trade and really a free market if consumers are not given all the facts hollowdweller May 2015 #19
This is such fucking bullshit. cui bono May 2015 #21
Yup ibegurpard May 2015 #22
Kick madfloridian May 2015 #23

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
3. Nothing to do with free trade -- again!
Mon May 18, 2015, 03:18 PM
May 2015

The "economic disadvantage" to the meat packers is that the consumers prefer to buy meat from one country rather than another. The case for free trade is that (on the whole and on the average) it gives consumers what they prefer. This decision -- and indeed any decision that limits the information available to buyers -- is the opposite of free trade. It is protection of monopoly power -- what
Stiglitz calls "rent seeking."

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
4. Gee, I thought we never lose this sort of thing.
Mon May 18, 2015, 03:23 PM
May 2015

I wonder if this means country of origin will not be mandatory, but will be voluntary. I do look for country of origin on lots of things.
Remarkable how, all of a sudden, consumers are just supposed to shut the fuck up and buy whatever we are presented with.

erronis

(15,219 posts)
5. Wonder how this affects "kobe" beef from the US?
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:22 PM
May 2015

Many people (Japan, US, elsewhere) like to know how their meat is produced.

Does this prevent that type of information from being included along with the product?

This trans-nationalism/corporatism-uber-alles is starting to smell too much.

Next, they'll forbid us from growing our own food....

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
7. No More "Made in USA or any State" labels. Corp. judgment is final, no recourse
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:41 PM
May 2015

Yep.This is exact proof for what Brown, Warren, Sanders have been saying about TPP.

And as Stiglitz has cited, throw in the tactic of inversions and even American corps can shut down our consumer protections as anti trade.



KoKo

(84,711 posts)
17. And products coming into U.S. like Fish...won't be labeled
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:37 PM
May 2015

because countries exporting will claim it will hurt their business if their "Farmed Fish" /Catched fish turn off U.S. customers because of the reputation of their Fish Farming/Catching Countries might be very questionable for Health or Environmental reasons.

We won't know because "Free Trade" under TPP/TPIP Regulations will be what the legislation focuses on.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. In terms of safety, this is especially important if you eat pork.
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:44 PM
May 2015

According to my grandmother who was, with her husband, a farmer, pigs will eat anything. Poorer farmers used to feed pigs the "slop," that is the garbage left over from family meals, etc.

Then things changed. And farmers in the US now feed their pigs cleaner food, not just any old garbage.

But how can you know if your pigs are raised in some other country, say Mexico, that they will be fed food that doesn't make them sick and in turn you sick or at least very queasy at the thought of an animal that is fed some horrible concoction of last week's garbage?

Now I base my post merely on what my grandmother told me so I could be wrong. Does anyone have information contradicting what I am saying? I recognize that my grandmother may not be the best resource. Just sayin"

Aside from that, the TPP is a corporate coup. This proves it. Our desire to have products labeled according to the country of origin is overruled by a court that had no jury of our peers. Any commercial law or restriction we wish to impose within our country is in jeopardy. That is an important aspect of our democracy -- to be able to pass laws regulating OUR marketplace, the products WE buy.

The TPP has to go as do some of the trade agreements by which we are bound at this time. The entire "free" trade concept is incompatible with democracy if it means trade courts that impose limitations on our ability to regulate our commerce.

US Constitution, Article I, section 8 lists the powers of Congress. One of them is the authority to regulate trade. The WTO is usurping the constitutional authority of our Congress. I'm 'agin it.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
12. I don't like this one bit.
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:47 PM
May 2015

This:

The Canadian government argued that it was actually a protectionist measure, designed to discourage imports of foreign meat while doing nothing to benefit food safety.
may be true in the case of Canada, and I don't mind eating food originating in Canada at all, but when I see China as the country of origin it most likely is going back on the shelf. Sadly I don't see this helping Canada and Mexico as much as it will help China and other countries with poor standards.

But the truth is that it does nothing to inhibit the import of foreign meats or other foods, it can however discourage a consumer from buying foods from countries with poor or no standards. I know the end results are the same but the means are very different.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
13. So if the government cannot require their usage what about us consumers?
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:53 PM
May 2015

Surely we have the right to demand that stores plainly provide the information where an item comes from and if a store doesnt want to tell plainly provide that information for all to see we can shop at one that does and if they lie we can and should sue them.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
14. K&R! This is why globalization is a huge loss for the non-wealthy.
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:53 PM
May 2015

Something must be done about this.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
15. ISDS, if TPP/TTIP passes, will be on steroids. Meet the new world...corporate kingdoms
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:40 PM
May 2015

No borders, just boardrooms. No laws for the rich, only the poor. Corporate Feudalism.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
18. Just a question as an example:
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:55 PM
May 2015

Let's say people get sick from some chicken or pork due
to contamination, and the meat has to be recalled. Are we
then allowed to know where it came from?
In the recent case of ice cream they mentioned the plant
in Oklahoma.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
20. Good Question....
Mon May 18, 2015, 09:31 PM
May 2015

And, I worry about the imported fish on our end. It's hard enough to know where our fish come from with the fish farms in Vietnam and elsewhere sending us their fish. And, I think its only 1% or so that's even inspected.

How will we track that. Also fruits, vegetables, etc. How will we know where they come from. Our grocery stores now have stickers on the fruit/veggies but will those stickers now be forbidden?

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
19. Is it free trade and really a free market if consumers are not given all the facts
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:58 PM
May 2015

IMO a market is only free when the consumer has complete information regarding the product.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
21. This is such fucking bullshit.
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:32 PM
May 2015

That's all my mind can get out at this time.

Why the fuck is Obama pushing for more of this shit. Huh? WHY??? Defend that apologists. Go on, keep on telling us what a great man he is as he sells the world out. For what? Does he not even care about his own daughters?

THIS IS A TINY TASTE OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GET WITH THE TPP SO STOP FUCKING DEFENDING IT AND THE MAN WHO IS BRINGING IT TO US.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
22. Yup
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:35 PM
May 2015

Democratic Senator Jon Tester opposes it.
Republican Representative Ryan Zinke opposes it.
But Senator Steve Daines (R-Corporate Theocracy) supports it even though it hurts Montana's beef industry...

http://billingsgazette.com/news/government-and-politics/wto-court-rejects-u-s-food-labeling-law-says-it/article_5213a3a4-6007-5a9e-b279-420658d8e995.html

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