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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue May 19, 2015, 04:26 AM May 2015

A Bleak Symbolic Defeat

Over the weekend, as ISIS fighters rolled into Ramadi, the capital of Iraq’s Anbar Province, one of them posted a video to the internet. It was shot from a recently captured Iraqi police station, and showed box after box of American mortar shells and bullets that appeared shiny and new. Several Humvees, apparently not long out the packing crates, sat abandoned nearby. “This is how we get our weapons,” the narrator said in Arabic. “The Iraqi officials beg the Americans for weapons, and then they leave them here for us.”

depressing isn’t it? The fall of Ramadi is not just a bleak symbolic defeat for the Iraqi government and its allies, including the United States. During the nearly nine years that American troops fought in Iraq, Anbar Province was one of the most lethal places for American soldiers and Marines; some thirteen hundred died there. In 2008, though, when the Americans finally handed the city back to the Iraqi Army, many of the American Marines present at the ceremony there were not even carrying weapons. After so much bloodshed, Ramadi had become one of the safest cities in the country.

All of that is gone now. Along with the western half of Mosul, which ISIS captured last summer, Ramadi represents the second pillar of the group’s Iraqi domain. To the west, the Islamic State, as the group calls itself, stretches across the Syrian border and up the Euphrates River, all the way to the suburbs of Damascus. Ramadi’s fall underscores just how troubled the American-backed campaign against ISIS is; increasingly, it seems, the effort to defeat the group is colliding with the very nature of what Iraq and Syria are—or, more accurately, what they are not.

In the past several months, there have been hopeful moments. In March, the Iraqi Army recaptured Tikrit, an important provincial capital, behind a barrage of American airstrikes. Last week, an airstrike appears to have killed Abu Alaa al-Afari, who had assumed substantial control of ISIS following the wounding of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, ISIS’s founder. Over the weekend, on orders from President Obama, a team of American commandos moved into Syria and killed Abu Sayyaf, an ISIS leader who oversaw the group’s oil-smuggling operations, one of its many money streams. These events appeared to set the stage for a much-anticipated operation to retake western Mosul, which Iraqi and American officials said would get under way this summer. When Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi visited the White House last month, American officials were so encouraged by the progress that they bestowed another two hundred million dollars or so on the Iraqi government. (The U.S. has spent about $1.9 billion on military operations and hardware in Iraq and Syria in the most recent operations.)

What happened in Ramadi over the weekend revealed just how misplaced any optimism about Iraq really is. The town, dominated by members of Iraq’s Sunni minority, was largely being held by the Iraqi Army, which has proved to be a deeply fractured and incompetent institution. Last June, when ISIS first swept out of Syria and into northern Iraq, large parts of the Iraqi Army largely disintegrated. Since then, the focus of American efforts has been to rebuild the Army and turn it into an effective fighting force. Even by American assessments, this is a long-term project. The disaster in Ramadi proved just how difficult the challenge is.

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http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-real-problem-in-iraq

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Rex

(65,616 posts)
1. But Junior got a big laugh from the millionaires...look no WMD under here...
Tue May 19, 2015, 04:34 AM
May 2015

haha...nope none under there...yuk yuk. The BFEE tee hee...1,300 marines and soldiers later they still tee hee about the Evil Empire.

I expected low life scum of the earth on the M$M to let Ari Fleisher lie his ass off, it was depressing however watching people in RL pretend we needed to invade Iraq. That we needed to take our eye off the ball in Afghanistan.

Sick, perverse. Sadistic. And now ISIS has our ammo and armor and weapons...great, just great.

THANKS GEORGE BUSH...be thankful you live in a country that will protect it's favorite warmongers and criminals.



I don't know who lied more, Baghdad Bob or Ari. They were probably neck and neck.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
2. "After...bloodshed, Ramadi had become one of the safest cities..." < Uh, it was safe before
Tue May 19, 2015, 04:49 AM
May 2015

we got there, if my reading was correct.

If we freed it from anyone, it was from ourselves.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
3. The Symbolic Defeat Was Led By Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Laughing At The Bank
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:12 AM
May 2015

As they deposited the money fleeced from Americans.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
4. The Second Coming
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:19 AM
May 2015
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert.

A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

http://www.mcabee.org/~lcm/lines/slouch.html

Seems fairly apt.

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
5. It's as if Yeats was time-traveling
Tue May 19, 2015, 06:15 AM
May 2015

when he wrote that. It's been many years since I last read that poem, but it never made as much an impression on me as it just did.

Euphoria

(448 posts)
8. apt indeed.
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:13 AM
May 2015

So much loosed upon this world - due to our leadership's failures to act responsibly. Just simply act responsibly. Couldn't they have done just even that?

Thank you for the poem. These times call out for something more than prose.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
6. "the focus of American efforts has been to rebuild the Army
Tue May 19, 2015, 06:19 AM
May 2015

and turn it into an effective fighting force"

Weren't we the ones who disbanded the Iraqi Army after the invasion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_Provisional_Authority_Order_2



The on-going train wreck wrought by Bush and his ilk continues to unfold.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
9. in and out in six months. That is what they told us thirteen years ago
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:42 AM
May 2015

And yet we still believe the lies. Well, some of us

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
10. have you found anyone saying "we don't have any boots on the ground" after the boots
Tue May 19, 2015, 03:02 PM
May 2015

got on the ground?

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