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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:06 AM May 2012

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 79. Stephen Breyer is 72. Antonin Scalia is 76. Anthony Kennedy is 74.

Roberts, Sotomayoy, Kagan are under 60. Alito and Thomas are 62 and 63 respectively.


It's likely that whoever is President from 2013 to 2017 will have the opportunity to shape the SCOTUS for years to come.

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Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 79. Stephen Breyer is 72. Antonin Scalia is 76. Anthony Kennedy is 74. (Original Post) cali May 2012 OP
GOTV. We always say it is important. This is why. FSogol May 2012 #1
It's always been the reason. The GOP focused on this one thing for many years. freshwest May 2012 #34
Reason #1 to re-elect President Obama dbackjon May 2012 #2
i agree. nt seabeyond May 2012 #4
Absitively and posolutely. hifiguy May 2012 #9
scalia and thomas though, live unhealthy lives.... seabeyond May 2012 #3
How do you know? kirby May 2012 #10
excesses i have read and heard about. the visual.... seabeyond May 2012 #12
They've both got nothin' on Taft. (nt) harmonicon May 2012 #25
You're right about Scalia, for sure, seabeyond... Surya Gayatri May 2012 #31
i read an article about him, he smokes a lot, eats lots of carbs, drinks etc JI7 May 2012 #32
They are the undead lapislzi May 2012 #33
i sure as hell hope so. barbtries May 2012 #5
Lections do have consequences. \nt still_one May 2012 #6
And this is the biggest reason for me to vote for President Obama. This is a lifetime change if we jwirr May 2012 #7
Is it consistent with religious values to pray for some of these assholes to die? Scuba May 2012 #8
No, but to retire??? elleng May 2012 #22
A lot of the 3rd party supporters in 2000 didn't seem to think SCOTUS appointees were important. libinnyandia May 2012 #11
Lot of those 3rd party voters and sympathizers were fucking Reaganites NNN0LHI May 2012 #16
We had DU'ers claiming that in 2004. emulatorloo May 2012 #20
scalia will never retire. he would rather drop dead on the bench. Javaman May 2012 #13
From your keyboard to God's ears, my friend ... Bake May 2012 #14
And he eventually will and he will be replace. Gold Metal Flake May 2012 #30
These are the most important numbers in this campaign! Bake May 2012 #15
And what assurance do we have Pab Sungenis May 2012 #17
You act as if Sotomayor and Kagan are Scalia-style reactionary right wingers. emulatorloo May 2012 #19
Kagan: "There is no constitutional right to same sex marriage." Pab Sungenis May 2012 #21
No it "doesn't say it all" emulatorloo May 2012 #23
Not. cali May 2012 #28
I know what she says. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #29
No, but nobody seems to have any problem with Kagan being an ideologue. Chan790 May 2012 #26
Fair enough. Especially re Thurgood Marshall. emulatorloo May 2012 #27
Scalia and Kennedy were among the majority voting for Citizens United LongTomH May 2012 #18
Since SCOTUS is totally political these days, they should be subject to term limits SoCalDem May 2012 #24
 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
2. Reason #1 to re-elect President Obama
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:08 AM
May 2012

Hopefully he will actually pick liberal justices with his next appointments, but the won't be reactionary justices like Rmoney would pick.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
12. excesses i have read and heard about. the visual....
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:09 PM
May 2012

has a certain amount of fact. it doesnt mean that they are sickly.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
31. You're right about Scalia, for sure, seabeyond...
Thu May 10, 2012, 04:12 PM
May 2012

His flushed, splotchy complexion is a testament to over-indulgence and excess.

He's a walking infarction, waiting to happen.

Thomas is getting to an age where his extra pounds will take a greater toll, too.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
33. They are the undead
Thu May 10, 2012, 04:16 PM
May 2012

Probably shouldn't be exposed to direct sunlight.

About as far as I will go either.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. And this is the biggest reason for me to vote for President Obama. This is a lifetime change if we
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:20 AM
May 2012

lose.

emulatorloo

(44,106 posts)
20. We had DU'ers claiming that in 2004.
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:40 PM
May 2012

Now apparently we have DU'ers insinuating that Obama will appoint anti-gay bigots in his second term.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
17. And what assurance do we have
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:29 PM
May 2012

that Obama's next four nominees will be better than his last two?

If he puts another Elena Kagan forward in 2013, I expect the rest of you to join me in raising holy hell since the makeup of the Supreme Court is so important.

emulatorloo

(44,106 posts)
23. No it "doesn't say it all"
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:04 PM
May 2012

It is going to take a Supreme court decision on one of the State anti-marriage equality amendments.

There are several state supreme courts that have ruled them unconstitutional on the the grounds that it is a civil rights issue.

That is the correct framing of the issue. That is how it will come to the Supreme Court.

The notion that Sotomayor and Kagen will overrule a state supreme court on that basis says more about you that anybody else

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
28. Not.
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:31 PM
May 2012

Kagan is a reliable liberal and a reliable supporter of GLBT issues.

You must know jackshit about her.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
29. I know what she says.
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:50 PM
May 2012

And until she says something else or votes differently all I have to go on regarding marriage is her words.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
26. No, but nobody seems to have any problem with Kagan being an ideologue.
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:27 PM
May 2012

The same as Scalia, Alito and Thomas. If it's wrong to choose ideologues who prioritize political positions and ideology over the law for the GOP...then it's wrong for us. Do I like Kagan's political beliefs? For the most part; she's a bit more moderate to slightly-conservative on some issues than I am. She's every bit as calculating and polemical, a knife-fighter. I like that about her.

Do I have a problem with her being on SCOTUS?

Yes. A Justice's decisions should be consistent within the law, not with their party platform. Shorty votes her ideology. Same as Thomas and Scalia, no matter how twisty the logic of a decision needs to get to fit it within ideology. Ideologues don't belong on SCOTUS. Unfortunately, the great legal minds of our era have no chance to be appointed because they're wild-cards who might not vote the party-line or because they're likely to rock the boat.

I remember when Kagan was nominated and I was questioning why the likes of Larry Lessig or Nadine Strossen are never brought up; vastly-superior legal and constitutional scholars who have made careers of arguing some of the most-important cases to ever go before SCOTUS, truly deep contemplative scholarly thinkers. Thinkers who might not fit into the traditional L/R paradigm and are more likely to break with party-ideology in favor of consistent legal theory and interpretation. You can't tell me that either Kagan or Sotomayor is more qualified than either of them. (I know Lessig advocated for Kagan...but Lessig is more qualified for the job. Substantially so.)

The last great-mind we had appointed to the Supreme Court was Thurgood Marshall. None of today's justices are in that same league. The next appointees need be.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
18. Scalia and Kennedy were among the majority voting for Citizens United
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:33 PM
May 2012

If they retire and are replaced with decent judges, we may, repeat may have a chance at overturning that infamous decision!

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
24. Since SCOTUS is totally political these days, they should be subject to term limits
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:06 PM
May 2012

and should only be eligible when they are 60. That gives a lifetime of real work that can be scrutinized/vetted/whatever.. mandatory retirement should be 75. Fifteen years spans two presidents (possibly 3) and that should be plenty.

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