Are war Hawks insane? I mean

[grahamhgreen]

They been tryin the same damn thing over there in the Mid East for 14 years... Continuing a war over there that's been goin on for 1400 years... All the while expectin' a different result....

That's just plain crazy, right?

[TreasonousBastard]

1. This year we finally figured it out. And...

a few billion dollars just doesn't sound like all that much any more.

[grahamhgreen]

3. One more trillion and we'll win it, I'm sure:b

[JHB]

2. How are their arms-maker-heavy stock portfolios doing?

That might be part of your answer there.

[grahamhgreen]

4. That is the one result that's been achieved, for sure.

[Scootaloo]

5. 1,400 fruit fly years maybe

While I get that it's very comforting to pretend that "oh well those people have been fighting forever! What can you do?" the reality is that... no, they haven't.

Everything you see in the middle east today is a result of western medding. Anyone who still thinks "they hate us for our freecomes' rahter than "they hate us becuase we keep going over there and jacking their shit up" is a moron.

[grahamhgreen]

12. However long, and whatever reason, our results are the same

[bemildred]

6. No just ignorant and belligerent like drunks in a bar. nt

[KingCharlemagne]

7. The novelist Norman Mailer offered the most convincing and cogent reason

why the U.S. invaded Iraq that I've ever seen. In essence, Mailer argued, we invaded Iraq not so that we could steal its oil -- oil being a commodity that is freely traded on world markets -- but so that we could have a finger on the spigot that supplies the emerging markets and economies of India and China. Requires you to think like a sociopath, or like Zbigniew Brzezinski.

The war has not been going on for 1400 years. It's been going on for about 100 years (since 1918 and the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the maturation of Western imperial meddling there). Might want to edit your OP.

[reddread]

8. Bush didnt bungle Iraq

http://www.gregpalast.com/bush-didnt-bungle-iraq-you-fools/

[KingCharlemagne]

10. Interesting. Has Palast's source documnet ever been published (other than

his paraphrase of its contents)?

[reddread]

11. no idea

it was a while back. I think the simple sense of it is proof enough.
They werent there to source more oil, and they werent there to liberate Iraqis.

[99Forever]

9. In a word..

... yes.