Bernie reminds me of the Junior High School Kid running for Class President.

[trumad]

Free Ice Cream for everyone if you elect me.

The kids get's elected and guess what---no free ice cream.

Do I agree with just about everything Bernie says? Fuck Yeah!

Do I think Bernie will be able to implement anything he says? Fuck No!

Oh I know---Revolution!!! Take back our Country--- Viva La Amercia! Whatever!

[leftofcool]

1. Free college tuition, free housing, guaranteed income

[trumad]

4. LOVE it!

What about Congress? You think they love it?

LOL

[leftofcool]

6. Sure they will!

When pigs fly!

[Gothmog]

114. The GOP controlled Congress will give Bernie whatever he wants

Look at how well the GOP controlled congress is responding to President Obama's requests

[madokie]

2. Sorry but Bernie is our next POTUS

guess what he won't be indebted to anyone except those of us who squeeze our a few beanies for him either
Can he get anything done, you damn right he can
Will he get anything done, you damn right he will
and on and on.

[WilliamPitt]

10. Bernie-bot?

All respect, brother, but the harshness seems excessive. The man has the right to run, and people have the right to support him.

Maybe I'm just not ready for the primary uglies. Naive of me, I'm sure.

[trumad]

17. Brother---the Hill-Bot's are just as crazie....

Here's what is bugging the shit out of me lately.

The creeping smugness of some---not all---Bernie supporters.

Snoop announces today that he's voting for Hillary--- OMG! How dare he? Fuck Snoop!

The tone is eerily similar to supporters of Ron Paul.

[newblewtoo]

142. and this is what scares the dickens out of me...

The tone is eerily similar to supporters of Ron Paul.

The millennials I have spoken to are leaning more Libertarian than Progressive. And, after listening to Cory Booker recently, I am wondering if he might not be a better match for today's millennial voter than either Bernie or Hillary. (not to be confused with an endorsement of Booker, rather a harsh look at reality).

[Andy823]

144. Like "Obama-bots

Obama won, he brought us back from the Bush recession, he has hundreds of accomplishments, yet certain group of "anti Obama" posters labeled everyone that supported the president as "Obama bots". Then of course we have others who showed disrespect with their F in POS used car salesman remark! Yet you think it's to harsh to call someone a Bernie bot? Wow.

[madokie]

12. Compared to the dystopian world of a hillary bot

I'll take my man any day over your pick.

i know I know there is no use, Hillary has it in the bag, trouble is you all thought that way back when too and the black guy beat her pant suits off.

Still smarting from that one HUH

I voted for the black guy three times all that It was possible for me too. I love him and always will. Put that in your pipe and smoke it

[JaneyVee]

25. If you love "the black guy" (wtf?!) you'll love Hillary.

[madokie]

34. Thanks

I needed a laugh before I go out the door to buy some news slacks for my 56 year old nephew who didn't make it out of his cancerous world. My old ones wouldn't stretch far enough to even get close to buttoning them up. Don't understand what happened. Been skinny as a rail for most of all my life but now things are changing, now that I don't need it btw for health reasons

[OilemFirchen]

85. ... and her "pant suits".

[trumad]

31. You can take him all you want...

You comparing Obama to Bernie?

Because it appears Bernie is a mile to the left of Obama. If you think a guy a mile to the left of Obama can win a country that's 50-50.... then I beg you---stay away from Vegas.

[madokie]

64. Bernie is Center.

He stands for what most people in this country want to see happen so that makes him center fucking stage. His coattails will be long so he won't have to deal with the same shit O had too, one thing he isn't black so they won't have that to hang around his neck like they have President Obama. The populace are awakening and its Bernies voice their hearing and it a most soothing voice to hear because he punctuates it with things he cares about, IE things we all care about. Bernie is a shoo in and you can jot that down so you won't forget then hide and watch and see if I'm not right

No one in their right mind can't not like Bernie Sander and once they listen to what he says they'll be hooked just like I was.

Bernie Sanders does not engage in petty politics, there will be no mudslinging from him even when the opposition starts in on that which will happen, rather he answers all questions with honest well thought out answers. I know thats a foreign idea for a lot of people to come to terms with beings as how we've been fed bullshit for so long now. After all These years I still know what bullshit smells like and I want as far away from that as I can get, I'm sick of it in fact.
I don't give them hell I speak the truth and they think it's hell.

I'm not comparing anyone to anyone, I'm typing facts.

[yardwork]

40. I see little to no difference in the policies of Obama and H Clinton.

I understand why people support Sanders. I don't understand why fans of Obama wouldn't support Hillary. They are both pragmatic moderate politicians who play ball with Wall Street, bankers, big Pharma, insurance industry, oil and gas, etc. I think that the dislike is personal and based on the idea of "teams." Really silly imo.

[truebluegreen]

102. Yes, and the road of pragmatic moderation

has been paved with Really Good Things for average Americans lo these past 35 years. What's really silly imo is continuing down that garden path.

[yardwork]

120. That wasn't my point.

I said that I understand why people support Sanders. I don't understand why supporters of Obama would sneer at Hillary. That's the part that is silly imo.

[truebluegreen]

145. Ah! My apologies. I misunderstood.

I agree with you on both counts.

[upaloopa]

106. The Black guy had a lot more going for him

than Bernie does. Sorry but seems to me everything posted by Bernie folks is pie in the sky wishful, delusional thinking.
It wouldn't be so bad but supposedly this board is made up up educated intellectual enlightened types. But then I've always had my doubts about that.
I've decided the real difference between Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters is that Hillary supporters have a more realistic view of life and depend more on themselves as the change agent in their lives. While Bernie supporters look to a brave knight to ride in and pull their asses out of the fire. With free education and guaranteed income and free housing etc. things that day dreams are made of.

[NuclearDem]

113. I'm sorry, but what the actual fuck did I just read?

[MaggieD]

39. Puretopia at last!!!

LMAO!

[bemildred]

5. Bernie reminds me that politicans need not be corrupt party hacks. nt

[think]

7. Ya! Free college is just for those European idiots! Americans don't deserve ponies. They deserve

hard work, low pay, no benefits, a huge student loan debt, and a military band playing in the back ground.

And who cares if the rest of the modern world has universal healthcare. You're an American! Don't you understand that's a freaking pony and here in America only the rich get ponies!?

Seriously! Quit all this nonsense and get back to work you slacker liberals! No ponies for you!

[madokie]

14. and a misery index of 100

thats the ticket

[think]

23. Thanks for the laugh

[MaggieD]

21. Do you think....

We're going to magically get 60 socialists elected to the senate and several hundred socialists elected in the house?

Bernie is just blowing smoke up our collective asses at this point.

[madokie]

26. No, you're trying but we're not buying

another fail

[trumad]

27. The lack of political reality here at DU is crazy.

[MaggieD]

33. It really is

[ChisolmTrailDem]

36. The thought of Hillary losing AGAIN is what's scary...to some. nt

[Gothmog]

115. And the thought of the GOP outspending Bernie 20 to one is scary to HRC supporters

[Dawgs]

43. Interesting...

Looking forward to you saying the same thing about Hillary when she proposes something that's unlikely to pass.

[MaggieD]

61. So far you can file Bernie's proposals....

.... in the category of "not in a million years."

I prefer my politicians to live in reality land. He's either pandering worse than any politician in history, or he lives in dreamland. Either way, not presidential material. IMO.

[Dawgs]

82. Right, so a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United is living in reality land.

Got it.

[MaggieD]

84. That's the only way it's going away

Thanks, Ralph.

I suppose Bernie thinks we can just wave a magic wand to get rid of CU.

[Dawgs]

87. So, now you've been reduced to putting words in Bernies mouth. Nice.

He has never once suggested he could wage a magic wand to do anything.

And, I don't know what Bernie thinks. Difference between him and Hillary is that you can actually ask him if you want.

[arcane1]

130. Don't expect an honest or rational response from that one.

That's not their role.

[OilemFirchen]

121. That's batshit crazy...

from both candidates.

[think]

66. Sanders is out front leading the case for this and has a solid plan to do it.

The tax on Wallstreet trades that adversely effects High Frequency Trading (which is already taking profits from those sales through skimming.) makes sense and is reasonable tax policy similar to the tax used over in England.

Other than Goldman Sachs it appears many including Even Warren Buffet are on board in support of a Robin Hood Tax:

The Robin Hood Tax

~Snip~

However on investigation it was claimed by the lobbying group that some five thousand of the "no" votes came from only two servers, one of them belonging to the investment bank Goldman Sachs.[17]

The Robin Hood tax has been supported by some 350 economists in a letter written to the G20, including Joseph Stiglitz and Jeffery Sachs.[18] Politicians supporting the tax include Angela Merkel, Nicolas Sarkozy and Katsuya Okada, Japan's foreign minister.[19][20] According to a press release by the lobbying organisation, support has been forthcoming from the financial sector by prominent figures including George Soros, Warren Buffett and Lord Turner, chairman of the UK's Financial Services Authority.[20]

At 5 February 2010 G7 meeting in Canada consensus was formed for some form of tax charged against large banks to cover the cost to government of insuring banks against future crisis. G7 officials planned to seek approval from other G20 nations at the June 2010 summit before progressing towards implementation.[21

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_tax#The_2010_UK_campaign

And Socialists? How about bold progressive Democrats. Considering Hillary supports debt free college (political speak for free college.) there is a huge start:

Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders Lean In On Debt-Free College
By Daniel Marans - 05/19/2015 10:06 pm EDT

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called for making higher education “as debt-free as possible” on Monday, and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders proposed a bill to make public colleges tuition-free on Tuesday.

“We have to deal with the indebtedness -- to try to move toward making college as debt-free as possible,” Clinton said on the Iowa campaign trail. The statement brings her a step closer to endorsing so-called debt-free college, an idea brought to the forefront of the Democrats' 2016 race by national progressive groups in recent months

Read more:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/19/hillary-clinton-debt-free-college_n_7337926.html

[MaggieD]

68. That's not his plan

His plan taxes retirement savings to pay for it. And it's pie in the sky BS.

If you want a realistic plan you'll need to listen to HRC.

[think]

74. Thanks for that factual response to back those claims. Much appreciated.

[MaggieD]

78. Well why post a link that is not his plan

... And pretend it's his plan? What is the purpose of that? The REAL ACTUAL plan is available.

Do you not want people to know it taxes their 401k?

[think]

89. I specifically pointed out the post was in regards to a similar plan ALREADY used.

I"m sorry if you didn't catch that.

This isn't a huge tax on 401ks and your insinuation is baseless. It is designed to stoke fear of taxes rather than factually state the possible effects of the stock transaction tax which would be minuscule in the scope of the overall tax. And if that is somehow still a problem Bernie Sanders is the kind of leader who would make sure exemptions were made for such cases.


As for taxing retirement funds those funds are already being skimmed by high frequency trading. Doesn't that bother you MORE?

Should You Be Worried About High-Frequency Trading?

By Kevin Roose - March 31, 2014

~Snip~

But how big a deal is HFT, really? And does it rise to the level of something the average stock-market investor should care about?

First, let's stipulate that "average stock-market investor" is itself a subset of the general population. Only about 52 percent of Americans own any stock at all, even when you include the stocks contained in 401(k) plans or mutual funds. Of the stocks owned by those 52 percent, only a portion are being actively managed, either by the stock owners themselves or through a broker or fund-manager. The rest aren't changing hands every day, or even every year.

Another way to frame Lewis's "stock market's rigged" thesis is this: High-frequency traders have conspired to impose a speed tax on investors. This tax is taken from the pockets of people who buy and sell stocks and put them into the pockets of the HFT firms, and it's volume-based. Trade only a few stocks a year, and your tax is small – fractions of pennies, perhaps. Trade millions of shares every day, and you'll end up paying much more.


How small is the speed tax? A 2013 study examined blocks of trades coming through HFT firms and estimated that "HFTs’ have revenues of approximately $0.43 per $10,000 traded." In other words, the net loss to the average, small-time investor from HFT is probably very minimal. (In fact, given what preceded HFT – a set of firms known as "NYSE Specialists" who were given preferential access to stock trades in exchange for providing liquidity – the HFT speed tax may be a lot lower than what most normal investors used to pay.)

Full article:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/should-you-worry-about-high-frequency-trading.html

Here is the text to Sander"s bill for those that want to read it:

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/collegeforall/?inline=file

[Thinkingabout]

45. It would be good for those receiving free college to play it forward to another person needing free

college. This is what happens when student loans are given, funds needs to be replaced in order for the next group of students to get free college.

[TheSarcastinator]

8. Keep Trying, Your Ad Hominem is Showing

I can smell your desperation.

[snooper2]

9. Cat Decides To Take A Nap | No F's Given

[trumad]

20. Desperation?

Really---you get desperation from me?

You don't know me.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

44. Remember, remember, 2008 September...

When Hillary was defeated and NOT so inevitable.

[Thinkingabout]

46. Maybe Bernie is not inevitable either.

[trumad]

50. Yeah by a once in a lifetime politician by the name of Obama.

Sorry---Bernie isn't Obama.

[Dawgs]

62. And neither is Hillary. n/t

[MaggieD]

71. LOL - Bernie is no Obama

Not even close. He's more like Dennis Kucinich.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

73. Tell me, where were you between 2001 and the moment Bernie announced earlier this month? ...

Every time you respond to one of my posts, I'm going to ask. So, you might as well explain yourself.

[MaggieD]

75. In reality land

[ChisolmTrailDem]

77. You joined in 2001. Why is it that you suddenly appear when Bernie announces? Almost all of

your posts have been accumulated this month. Your nick now saturates every Bernie Sanders thread where you vigorously attempt to tear down our candidate. Why is that?

And why aren't you still in reality land?

[grasswire]

105. I noticed that as well, a couple of weeks ago.

Telling, isn't it?

[kenfrequed]

49. I don't

But I do know your analogy is deeply flawed.

Part of the job of the president is to inspire and to put forth policy initiatives. Yes, you will hit the wall occasionally and have to fight to get part of what you want. But you get absolutely nowhere by never putting your ideals and your policies up front. If we base everything on what we think might pass our current congress then there is no point in putting any ideas forward at all.

Besides, by putting economics front and center in the campaign we force the issues to a place where even people in red states will will think about their congressmen. Remind me how many supposed red states voted for increasing the minimum wage again.

[trumad]

53. A socialist hitting the wall occasionally?

OK---if you think so.

[kenfrequed]

76. Well thank you

Thank you for your verbose and well thought out response.

[panader0]

11. "Junior High School Kid running for Class President."

Not a POS used car salesman?

[MaggieD]

13. Great metaphor (nt)

[kenfrequed]

67. Actually it was terrible.

The president helps set the tempo and tone of the election. They also help get other down-ticket candidates elected and they can shift the debate during the election season.

I also think this analogy lacks maturity and seems more designed just to anger people than to analyze policies put forth. Yes, it is shooting the moon, but without striving and pushing for what is good for all Americans you probably won't inspire many people. I would also point out we have a pretty good record of shooting the moon since we actually made it there.

[MaggieD]

69. It's a perfect metaphor

A serious candidate would be touting serious proposals. Not pie in the sky BS. Congress is not going to pass a plan that taxes retirement savings to provide free college.

[kenfrequed]

79. Uhm...

The republicans in congress didn't want to pass a healthcare plan that was a few shades different from Bob Doles 1996 plan. I don't think we want to base our ideals and policy on what the republicans would be willing to pass.

[MaggieD]

80. Great analogy

We had a majority then in both houses and we couldn't even get a public option. So you're sure as hell not going to get FREE COLLEGE! with a gerrymandered republican house and a republican majority in the senate. Now are you?

I don't understand why people love to be pandered to like this.

[kenfrequed]

93. Speaking of running into walls...

A few questions.


1) What do you think that we COULD get passed by this particular congress that any progressive would want?

2) In negotiations is it a good idea to start from the point of what you think you might be able to squeak by this particular congress? How much further will things shift if you start from that point?

3) How inspiring do you think it would be and how much do you imagine it will turn out the base by overmoderating our positions?

[MaggieD]

94. I'm not inspired....

By having smoke blown up my ass. YMMV.

I'm in favor of the bill to make loan repayment proportional to income.

[kenfrequed]

97. Oh thank you...

For your well thought out answer where you clearly looked at all the questions I posted and considered each of them in turn. I really appreciate someone that will actually think about counter arguments and consider the possibility that perhaps there is an alternate, strategic consideration to supporting a candidate that is more progressive in terms of shifting the debate.

I think you do more damage to your own candidate than help. If she wins the nomination I will support her and I will vote for her in November of 2016.

But I think the dismissiveness and abrasiveness of your responses suggests that you don't understand how to convince people of anything, are uninterested in debate, or just here to wreck up the joint.

[grasswire]

109. I think the dismissiveness and abrasiveness are indicative of even more.

But perhaps I am just more a cynic than you, kenfrequed.

[kenfrequed]

112. I dunno.

Hmm I usually go for the more banal and benign explanations first. If someone is a troublemaker they will eventually out themselves.

[Koinos]

15. Congress

The problem is that no president has the power by himself to tax Wall Street and provide free tuition for college. Congress has to go along with that. We need to get a democratic majority elected in the House and the Senate. That should be the first priority of any candidate for president -- to work strenuously to get democrats elected. Will Sanders have coattails? Or will he be seen as a loner? Hard to say, but I think it would be more realistic to talk about lowering interest on existing student debt than to promise something that would be very hard to get passed through Congress. Young people already buried in student debt would not benefit from Sanders' plan, even if it were able to be implemented.

[MaggieD]

24. Like the bill HRC introduced in 2007?

Exactly.

[malthaussen]

16. And what, pray, do other candidates propose that in your opinion is more realistic?

Or are you charging Mr Sanders with wilful mendacity?

-- Mal

[MaggieD]

28. Student loan repayment proportional to income

A BILL Introduced by HRC IN 2007.

[Dawgs]

55. 2007 doesn't count according to Hillary supporters.

Remember, we're supposed to ignore her Iraq war vote because it happened so long ago.

[MaggieD]

65. It's a realistic proposal....

.... That would help a lot of people. As compared to pie in the sky pandering, which helps no one.

[arcane1]

127. Did it pass?

That's the false standard of the OP: if it doesn't pass a republican congress, it's useless.

How many of Clinton's liberal ideas will pass a repub congress?

[malthaussen]

56. Introduced twice, nyet?

Failed to pass both times. Which leads to the question, if a senator proposes something that doesn't fly, how "realistic" is it? And if success is not contingent on realism, then why are Mrs Clinton's proposals superior to those of Mr Sanders?

-- Mal

[LadyHawkAZ]

18. For the record, I support Bernie

I don't think he'll take the primary, but I'm hoping he gets enough support to be offered the VP slot.

That said: suspect you're right. If he does pull it off, in two years we will be exactly where we are now, with Obama; nothing but pouts and criticism, POS car salesmen and OMG the President's holding up traffic, why haven't you done this yet and why did you do that?? All from our "real progressives" who are so vocally supporting him now.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

[Koinos]

88. The VP spot is a bad idea for Sanders.

He would be more useful as a strong advocate for change in the senate than as a mere ceremonial vice president. The office of VP is a kind of Siberia for politicians.

If he isn't nominated for president, he should continue to fight the good fight alongside Warren and others in the senate. Good senators are more important than vice presidents. Ending a tie vote in the senate is not enough. Look at what happened to Biden.

[cali]

19. I could rip a page from the trumad book of brilliant analysis and YAWN

but what fun would that be?

Sanders isn't promising free anything. He's been clear about that; he says this is a tough and daunting battle and that he can't accomplish anything without people becoming engaged in politics in a way we aren't now.

And Hillary? Here's someone who has promised things that are clearly unobtainable: A Constitutional Amendment to kill Citizens United has no more chance of passing than an Amendment that would guarantee basic income or make marriage equality illegal.

Sanders is offering this country a chance to start a movement. Unlike many of his supporters, I don't believe he has a realistic chance of winning, but I do think that he's opening up and enlarging the debate on issues. That has the potential to change things for the better in a substantive way.

Hillary is the same old same old, and she's conducting a campaign that is structured to shut out real voices and debate, all served up with a huge helping of unsavory appearances of conflict.

[trumad]

22. Yawn!

Just kidding.

The Free Ice Cream is a metaphor---meaning no matter how he says it---that's how most will see it and many will balk at it.

Yeah I know that's weird---but that's political reality.

[deutsey]

37. It's refreshing that a candidate is finally talking about

using part of the country's wealth (which we help to create with our labor) to actually benefit working people.

Like you, I'm not sure someone like Bernie can win the nomination (here's hoping he can), but he is nonetheless helping to broaden the vision of America's promise and the debate about how we achieve that vision at a time that's ripe for such discussion.

[KingCharlemagne]

29. Hillary reminds me of a demonic robot running for Dictator of the Universe. Stands to reason: in

1963 when Sanders was working with SNCC, Hillary was a 'Goldwater Girl' Goldwater: HE ONLY ADVOCATED USING NUCLEAR WEAPONS ON VIETNAM. And Hillary was a reliable supporter.

2003: Sanders voted 'No' on AUMF for Iraq. Hillary voted "Yes".

See any continuities there?

[trumad]

35. Bernie is great--no doubt.

That's really not the point of my Op.

[KingCharlemagne]

70. Hillary is 'great' -- no doubt. That's not really the

point of my response to you, either.

[Thinkingabout]

60. This one again, how old was Bernie in 1963? I will help you, he was 22.

Why are bragging on this as being something to show Bernie is qualified? What did he do while he was in Israel?

[lovemydog]

141. I did not know that Sanders worked with SNCC.

Thanks for that info KingCharlemagne.

SNCC did a great deal in furthering civil rights.

From wiki:

The Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), often pronounced "snick": /ˈsnɪk/), was one of the most important organizations of the American Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s.[1] [2] It emerged from a student meeting organized by Ella Baker held at Shaw University in April 1960. SNCC grew into a large organization with many supporters in the North who helped raise funds to support SNCC's work in the South, allowing full-time SNCC workers to have a $10 per week salary. Many unpaid volunteers also worked with SNCC on projects in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, and Maryland. SNCC played a major role in the sit-ins and freedom rides, a leading role in the 1963 March on Washington, Mississippi Freedom Summer, and the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party over the next few years. SNCC's major contribution was in its field work, organizing voter registration drives all over the South, especially in Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi.

A final SNCC legacy is the destruction of the psychological shackles which had kept black southerners in physical and mental peonage; SNCC helped break those chains forever. It demonstrated that ordinary women and men, young and old, could perform extraordinary tasks. —Julian Bond[3]

In the later 1960s, led by fiery leaders such as Stokely Carmichael, SNCC focused on black power, and then protesting against the Vietnam War. As early as 1965, organization leader James Forman said he did not know “how much longer we can stay nonviolent” and in 1969, SNCC officially changed its name to the Student National Coordinating Committee to reflect the broadening of its strategies. It passed out of existence in the 1970s.

more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_Nonviolent_Coordinating_Committee

[Dawgs]

30. He agrees with you.

That's why he says we need to get 80% voter turnout instead of 40%.

Democracy, right?

[Warpy]

32. He's not much of a public speaker, that's for sure

While I'd love to vote for him in the primary, the stumbling block is that he's not a Democrat.

It's a big stumbling block, especially since he's the only one out there who sounds like a Democrat.

I won't do third party. That elects Republicans.

However, it would be nice to remind the party that we lefties are still out there and that we're not happy getting screwed over by the Third Way.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

52. 'That elects Republicans" ... yea, in the general. But not in the Dem primaries. nt

[peacebird]

38. Hillary reminds me of a high school girl running for class president

She promises whatever she thinks kids want to hear in order to get their vote.

If elected, she won't even pretend to remember her campaign promises.

At least Bernie has consistecy on his side.

[trumad]

47. And you know this how?

The meg millions just hit 200 mill.

Can you tell me the upcoming numbers?

[GummyBearz]

41. One thing Bernie could do

as commander and chief, is not deploy our armed forces in another stupid war. Hillary on the other hand has a pretty solid history of voting for and supporting stupid wars.

"We came we saw he died" isn't something you would ever hear Bernie say. So there is one big difference that does not involve metaphorical "free ice cream"

[djean111]

42. And, of course, Hillary would be Empress of all she surveys, and Congress will bow before her.

Or maybe what Hillary plans to do will sit very well with a GOP Congress. There's that.
In any event, cannot wait to vote for Bernie in the primary, here in Florida. Funnily enough, I voted for Hillary in the pointless and hubris-laden primary here in Florida, many years ago. Won't do that again.

[trumad]

48. Congress won't bow before her...

It will be worse than Obama...

But Socialist Bernie?

[peacebird]

51. Better an honest principled Pres Sanders than DLC corporatist warhawk Hillary....

[olddots]

54. he reminds me of a high school kid that hasn't sold out

like alot of people I used to respecrt around here .

BOOM !

[ladjf]

57. Senator Sanders is no Jr. High School Kid. He is one

of the brightest and best informed politicians in Congress. The only promises he has made is that ,if elected, he will continue to
fight for same things for which he has always supported. Does he have a chance of being elected? Perhaps, if enough Americans have finally realized that the time has come to put a stop to the political circus that has been going on in America.

[MaggieD]

72. Maybe him and Dennis Kucinich

.... Can form a coalition of two and get this passed, huh? I wonder if Dennis woukd come out of retirement? LOL!

[still_one]

58. Difference is Bernie believes it, unlike many other politicians who just say things to pandor

for votes

Unfortunately, I agree with you I don't see much chance of it passing

[lumberjack_jeff]

59. I remember that kid!

I also remember Grover Dill, the lickspittle toady of the popular cheerleader who took it upon himself at every opportunity to pick on him.
Poor Grover. He was never the same after the cheerleader and her "mean girl" entourage took up with those douchebag bikers.

[grasswire]

111. aghhhh!

the toady for Scott Farkus of the yellow eyes!

[Octafish]

63. Sounds better than ''More Austerity!''

Especially considering how these are the wealthiest times in human history.

[earthside]

81. Hillary is like the cheerleader with fake smile who thinks she deserves to be class president.

Because her daddy owns the bank.

And because all the football players love her ... and she is popular with everyone, right?

[Goblinmonger]

83. Sanders strikes me as someone who actually wants to change the system.

I don't get that feeling from Clinton.

Do I think he is going to be successful to change it to the way he wants it to look? No.
Do I think Clinton can make substantial changes if she wanted to? No.
Will I vote for Clinton if she is the nominee? Of course.

And before you start in with your Bernie-Bot nonsense, the reason I have anything about any candidate is because so many people on DU just assume that Clinton is the nominee before we even have a primary and I'm glad Sanders is trying to shake things up.

[whatchamacallit]

86. Here's what I'd like to know

Why are you supporting Hillary? What in her platform really floats your boat?

[Autumn]

90. Kind of smug are ya? Bernie hold a Q & A on Reddit and Hillary supporters rush in to

call him names and put him down.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026700270

[Koinos]

91. If Sanders is nominated...

When he accepts the nomination for president at the Democratic convention, I hope he will be able to say, "We Democrats."

The party will need solidarity and unity, as corny as it may sound, at that point.

I don't think "We Democratic-Socialists" or "We Democratic-Socialists and Democrats" will do the job.

[truebluegreen]

107. How about a compromise, like We the People.

Will that work for you?

[KingCharlemagne]

110. One can hope. My fear is that 1/2 of the folks supporting Hillary will bolt to the

Republicans after Sanders accepts the nomination. Think Nixon-McGovern 1972. Humphrey actually joked with Nixon on tape about McGovern's pasting. And that was HH, liberal icon and bastion.

My hope is that Sanders' coat tails will be long enough to attract enough of the 50% who do not vote to compensate for traitor Dems who defect.

[Proud Public Servant]

92. And when Hillary finally deigns to reveal her policy proposals

You'll hold her to the same standard, right? If she's proposing good ideas (and she will) that have no chance of getting through a GOP-controlled House (and they won't), you'll mock her for her naivete with an unflattering comparison, right?

Right?

[MaggieD]

95. She revealed it in 2007

Make loan repayment proportional to income.

[Proud Public Servant]

98. And guess what

That exact plan has been proposed in Congress (by Rep. Karen Bass, among others). And the plan has yet to pass. So should we make fun of Hillary?

Incidentally, I assume this was "revealed" in teh course of Hillary's campaign. But was it proposed in Congress in 2007? If not, why not?

[MaggieD]

99. So you're gonna FREE college instead?

Yeah, right.

[Hiraeth]

96. You are witnessing the results of forty years worth of the dumbing down of America.

Success can be a bitter pill sometimes.

[cherokeeprogressive]

100. Y A W N

[tridim]

101. Does "Tracy Flick" remind you of anyone?

[MineralMan]

103. I ran for class president once.

I lost by 20 votes in a class of 100. My girlfriend at the time won. She was much better-looking than me, which I'm sure was why. We celebrated with a double feature at the local drive-in.

[Rex]

104. Someone besides Bernie reminds me of a JH school kid running around starting rumors.

[muriel_volestrangler]

108. Even if they wouldn't be able to get Congress to pass things, a president is not powerless

They appoint the cabinet, and who is Attorney General, or Secretary of State, makes a real difference to American policy, whether Congress likes it or not. They largely control US international negotiations (eg trade deals).

"Able to work with a Republican House" is not an enticing reason for choosing a Democratic presidential candidate. The past 8 years should have convinced all Democrats of that - if it can be done, it tends to end badly.

[JEB]

116. Oh those Hil-bots!

And their god damn smugness.

[longship]

117. Yet another poke at the hornets nest that is presidential politics 18 months before the election.

At least here on DU.

The ever present sniping here is utterly disgusting. Those who continue to poke said hornets nest are not helping anybody, especially not their preferred candidate.

That is why I will not state my preference for 2016 until at least 2016 arrives. There is just too much childish behavior here. Including by many DUers who I have liked (but not so much these days).

My opinion... Grow up people. Stop acting like fucking two year olds.

And baiting posts like this should be locked.

[99Forever]

118. Is this another of your "respectful debate" threads trumad?

[pintobean]

123. Flagged for review

go figure

[m-lekktor]

131. and he doesn't have 5 hides. interesting. nt

[pintobean]

137. 2 hides in a short time trips the flag.

I think it's 12 hours.

[m-lekktor]

138. aaah I didn't know that. thanks! nt

[AgingAmerican]

119. Why not just say, 'Not right wing enough'?

Apparently stuff like this is all you guys have?

"I agree with everything he says and he will lose"

Defeatism.

[rock]

122. If Bernie wins (especially by a large amount in the general)

He will be considered to have a mandate. As he pursues legislation to achieve these goals he will additionally have the bully pulpit to put fire to the feet of the Congress. He's not personally going to do these things; his supporters are going to do this. When a president says I'm going to invade Iraq, this does not mean he's going to suit up! Well, at least until the aircraft carrier is a few miles of the coast of the US. So, if he has a mandate and sells his agenda regularly on TV the craven politicians will follow his lead.

[AgingAmerican]

125. The old 'pony' argument

Defeatism is all they have

[hrmjustin]

126. Nice and principled guy.

Will not vote for him in a primary but he does care about America.

[darkangel218]

128. Are you even serious??

Holy shit if you are.. lol

[Autumn]

129. Free Ben and Jerry's. Yay Bernie!!!

[neverforget]

132. you know what? GD could use some more flamebait threads. there just aren't enough of them

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

133. If our arguing spills over to the electorate and the right manages to steal this election

some of you here will be to blame.

And it will be very serious.

This is no fucking game, ANY Democratic candidate has to be elected or the consequences may be terminal, for all of us.

[ileus]

134. Isn't it always about who promises the most???

[BainsBane]

135. My concern is also implementation

The ideas are great. The problem is getting them through congress, and unfortunately he doesn't have a record of success in getting his bills passed.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

136. I stand for nothing, but by Christ I stand in the pragmatic middle.

Is that about right? You can tell your grandkids about how you wouldn't let ideology budge you an inch from where focus groups think you should be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

139. More in the script

keep it up. I really should contact the local University. I am sure there is a college thesis in these posts that follow the same exact script that actually started in 2004, but really got established by 2008.

Silly season, now with more spleen!

[AtomicKitten]

140. Hillary reminds me of Tracy Flick.

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[Capt. Obvious]

143. But wait, there's more!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026701875