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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:03 PM May 2015

Jeb Bush: Iraq was stable when my brother left office, but Obama fucked it all up

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After being pilloried by prominent conservative commentators and even some Bush administration veterans for taking several interviews to answer whether he would have authorized the Iraq War given perfect hindsight, Bush posed a hypothetical of his own to Obama regarding America’s withdrawal of all troops in 2011.

“The focus should be ‘Knowing what we know now, Mr. President, should you have kept 10,000 troops in Iraq?’” Bush said. “ISIS didn’t exist when my brother was president. Al Qaeda in Iraq was wiped out when my brother was president. There were mistakes made in Iraq for sure, but the surge created a fragile but stable Iraq that the president could have built on
and it would have not allowed ISIS [to grow].”

According to Bush, Obama “abandoned” Iraq based on “popular sentiment” against leaving troops behind. He said that decision loomed even larger this week now that the U.S.-backed Iraqi government had withdrawn from the key city of Ramadi in the face of an ISIS assault.

“You think about the family members who lost — our blood and treasure’s in Ramadi and they won, they won that battle,” he said. “It was hard fought and that stability has been lost.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/jeb-bush-pivots-offense-iraq-after-bumpy-week

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Jeb Bush: Iraq was stable when my brother left office, but Obama fucked it all up (Original Post) Cali_Democrat May 2015 OP
Keep digging, dumbass. hifiguy May 2015 #1
Jeb Bush's comment is disingenuous nonsense. nt ladjf May 2015 #2
Iraq was more stable when W went into office, W and Cheney is responsible for the problem in Iraq. Thinkingabout May 2015 #3
ok, now he's really pissing me off. nt grasswire May 2015 #4
Haha! lovemydog May 2015 #13
Well, if it was "stable"...? kentuck May 2015 #5
Iraq was more like a stable, you nitwit. TheCowsCameHome May 2015 #6
For The Record, Yes, George W. Bush Did Help Create ISIS napkinz May 2015 #7
hey Jeb, your brother is THE FATHER OF ISIS! napkinz May 2015 #8
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah you murder one million Iraqis malaise May 2015 #9
For real! kentuck May 2015 #10
It was probably a great idea for his family malaise May 2015 #11
FUCK. YOU. Rex May 2015 #12
ahem ... napkinz May 2015 #14
Republicans preach personal responsibility, but never practice it. B Calm May 2015 #15
Right you MORAN the economy was also in great shape. Vincardog May 2015 #16
Is this performance art? senseandsensibility May 2015 #17
FACT CHECK: ISIS Leader, Baghdadi, Was Released By Bush, Not Obama napkinz May 2015 #18
Yep! Cali_Democrat May 2015 #19
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
1. Keep digging, dumbass.
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:06 PM
May 2015

Keep digging.

This evil family, America's Borgias, should be extirpated root and branch from public life: in perpetuity.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. Iraq was more stable when W went into office, W and Cheney is responsible for the problem in Iraq.
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:10 PM
May 2015

I do not know if the Arab Spring would have occurred if Iraq had not been invaded but it sure did not help the situation in the Middle East. Saddam kept tabs on Iran and then what has happened, they was much further along with their obtaining a nuclear bomb and of course while W was farting around in Iraq he took his eyes off of North Korea and we see what happened there.

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
5. Well, if it was "stable"...?
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:14 PM
May 2015

There was no need for American troops. The Iraqis said they were ready to govern themselves. His brother, George the Lesser, signed an agreement with the Iraqi government approving of that very fact. Were we supposed to ignore the agreement your brother made??

You stepped in it Jeb. Just wipe off your shoe and move on. You're wanting the Presidency just a little too much. Also, did you say George W Bush would be your primary adviser on foreign affairs? Did you actually say that?

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
7. For The Record, Yes, George W. Bush Did Help Create ISIS
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:19 PM
May 2015

05/14/2015
Ryan Grim

Jeb Bush and other Republicans have accused Obama of enabling the insurgency by withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq at the end of 2011. The administration says it could not have maintained the troops there without an agreement to protect them that Baghdad was not at the time willing to sign.

But Bush's preferred reading of history overlooks the fact that the risk of an Islamic State-level militant expansion was clear back in 2003, after George W. Bush had ordered a U.S. invasion of Iraq on the basis of sketchy evidence. Saddam Hussein had at that point effectively controlled Iraq for more than 30 years. First tasting great power as the country's intelligence and internal security chief, Hussein invested heavily in making Iraq a police state, with loyal, well-trained agents of his Baath Party government as numerous in the country as conspiracy theories about their activities. He also focused on making his army a formidable force, appointing Sunni Arabs -- members of his own sect of Islam and a minority in Iraq -- to leadership positions. Hussein's rule forced those soldiers and officials to become even closer to the despot, because they, like many other people in the centralized quasi-socialist state that was Iraq, were reliant on government salaries, subsidies and favor.

Then an American came to Baghdad and told all those well-trained, well-armed men that their services would no longer be required. Or allowed.

-snip-

Thousands of well-trained Sunni officers were robbed of their livelihood with the stroke of a pen. In doing so, America created its most bitter and intelligent enemies. Bakr went underground and met Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Anbar Province in western Iraq. Zarqawi, a Jordanian by birth, had previously run a training camp for international terrorist pilgrims in Afghanistan. Starting in 2003, he gained global notoriety as the mastermind of attacks against the United Nations, US troops and Shiite Muslims. He was even too radical for former Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Zarqawi died in a US air strike in 2006.

Although Iraq's dominant Baath Party was secular, the two systems ultimately shared a conviction that control over the masses should lie in the hands of a small elite that should not be answerable to anyone -- because it ruled in the name of a grand plan, legitimized by either God or the glory of Arab history. The secret of IS' success lies in the combination of opposites, the fanatical beliefs of one group and the strategic calculations of the other.


read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/jeb-bush-isis_n_7284558.html

malaise

(268,885 posts)
9. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah you murder one million Iraqis
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:24 PM
May 2015

torture them and call it stable - reminds me of his mother after Katrina

The Former First Lady
Barbara Bush Calls Evacuees Better Off

By THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: September 7, 2005

WASHINGTON, Sept. 6 - As President Bush battled criticism over the response to Hurricane Katrina, his mother declared it a success for evacuees who "were underprivileged anyway," saying on Monday that many of the poor people she had seen while touring a Houston relocation site were faring better than before the storm hit.

"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas," Barbara Bush said in an interview on Monday with the radio program "Marketplace." "Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality."

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway," she said, "so this is working very well for them.".

These disconnected fuckers live in a bubble of 'only we matter'

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
10. For real!
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:27 PM
May 2015

Unbelievable that Jeb would want people to talk about his brother and the Iraq War? Does he truly believe that the invasion of Iraq was a good idea??

malaise

(268,885 posts)
11. It was probably a great idea for his family
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:36 PM
May 2015

financially - nothing else counts - no one else counts. If it's good for the Bushes, fuck everyone else because Jeb loves his mother and his father and his brother Dumbya.
Only one word describes these people - megalomaniacs

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