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jwirr

(39,215 posts)
1. Oh, Jeb is not talking about that anymore. Now he is saying that President Obama created ISIS.
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:12 PM
May 2015

No matter who our candidate is I will vote for them. This man is even dumber than his brother.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
3. Chris Murphy was excellent on why looking back is essential
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:16 PM
May 2015

given the plans of these lunatic ReTHUG candidates.
Seriously all the money in the world couldn't buy intelligence for these Bush men.
I'm impressed with Murphy's analysis of the mess in Iraq and Syria thanks to Bushco.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
14. Murphy was spot on.
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:51 PM
May 2015

I've been waiting for somebody to mention the fact that the "surge" was largely about paying Sunnis not to fight:

The real purpose of the "surge" was to hide another deception. The Bush regime is paying Sunni insurgents $800,000 a day not to attack U.S. forces. That's right, 80,000 members of an "Awakening group," the "Sons of Iraq," a newly formed "U.S.-allied security force" consisting of Sunni insurgents, are being paid $10 a day each not to attack U.S. troops. Allegedly, the Sons of Iraq are now at work fighting al-Qaida.

http://www.creators.com/opinion/paul-craig-roberts/paying-insurgents-not-to-fight.html

(I can't independently verify the above.)

Murphy rightly noted that it would have cost billions to keep paying them off indefinitely which taxpayers wouldn't have accepted. Plus thousands and thousands of U.S. troops would have to be there maybe forever to maintain any stability at all.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
15. He had the facts at his fingertips
Wed May 20, 2015, 09:01 PM
May 2015

I was impressed

Your 'above' is correct and has been verified.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
10. And who woulda thunk he could be....
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:39 PM
May 2015

... Even dumber than Dubya? I mean, that's a HIGH bar to get over.

PCIntern

(25,532 posts)
2. I had dinner with Ambassador Wilson a number of years ago
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:15 PM
May 2015

which I chronicled here…an amazing evening at Philadelphia's (now closed) Le Bec Fin.

In a lifetime, I can only think of two or three people of his caliber whom I have met personally.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
9. I joined later that year
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:37 PM
May 2015


Sometimes I don't recognize this place, but every now and then I remember why I joined

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
12. For The Record, Yes, George W. Bush Did Help Create ISIS
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:46 PM
May 2015

05/14/2015
Ryan Grim

Jeb Bush and other Republicans have accused Obama of enabling the insurgency by withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq at the end of 2011. The administration says it could not have maintained the troops there without an agreement to protect them that Baghdad was not at the time willing to sign.

But Bush's preferred reading of history overlooks the fact that the risk of an Islamic State-level militant expansion was clear back in 2003, after George W. Bush had ordered a U.S. invasion of Iraq on the basis of sketchy evidence. Saddam Hussein had at that point effectively controlled Iraq for more than 30 years. First tasting great power as the country's intelligence and internal security chief, Hussein invested heavily in making Iraq a police state, with loyal, well-trained agents of his Baath Party government as numerous in the country as conspiracy theories about their activities. He also focused on making his army a formidable force, appointing Sunni Arabs -- members of his own sect of Islam and a minority in Iraq -- to leadership positions. Hussein's rule forced those soldiers and officials to become even closer to the despot, because they, like many other people in the centralized quasi-socialist state that was Iraq, were reliant on government salaries, subsidies and favor.

Then an American came to Baghdad and told all those well-trained, well-armed men that their services would no longer be required. Or allowed.

-snip-

Thousands of well-trained Sunni officers were robbed of their livelihood with the stroke of a pen. In doing so, America created its most bitter and intelligent enemies. Bakr went underground and met Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Anbar Province in western Iraq. Zarqawi, a Jordanian by birth, had previously run a training camp for international terrorist pilgrims in Afghanistan. Starting in 2003, he gained global notoriety as the mastermind of attacks against the United Nations, US troops and Shiite Muslims. He was even too radical for former Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Zarqawi died in a US air strike in 2006.

Although Iraq's dominant Baath Party was secular, the two systems ultimately shared a conviction that control over the masses should lie in the hands of a small elite that should not be answerable to anyone -- because it ruled in the name of a grand plan, legitimized by either God or the glory of Arab history. The secret of IS' success lies in the combination of opposites, the fanatical beliefs of one group and the strategic calculations of the other.


read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/jeb-bush-isis_n_7284558.html
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