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Son of Gob

(1,502 posts)
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:26 PM May 2012

Time breastfeeding cover sparks controversy

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/time-breastfeeding-cover-sparks-immediate-controversy-151539970.html
This week's Time magazine cover features Jamie Lynne Grumet, a 26-year-old woman breastfeeding her three-year-old son. Grumet was one of four mothers photographed by Time for a cover story on "attachment parenting," an approach--outlined by 1992's "The Baby Book" by Dr. Bill Sears--that recommends extended breast-feeding, co-sleeping and "baby wearing."

The provoctive cover, published online Thursday, was met with the predictable Twitter jaw-drop.

"Love the Time cover," AllThingsD.com's Peter Kafka wrote. "In the cringiest way possible."

"Anybody else slightly slack-jawed over this week's Time cover?" The Atlantic Wire's Adam Clark Estes rhetorically asked.
"Breastfeeding your 3-year-old is one thing," the Daily News' Bill Hammond wrote. "But putting a picture of him doing it on the cover of Time?"


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Time breastfeeding cover sparks controversy (Original Post) Son of Gob May 2012 OP
Ok sorry, but this is how exactly controversial? nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #1
I think it's because the kid is wearing camouflage pants. Son of Gob May 2012 #2
I think the camouflage pants are a metaphor Angry Dragon May 2012 #4
I think the kids Packin' Heat! NYC_SKP May 2012 #23
LOL - that must be it! polichick May 2012 #27
Ah good point, nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #5
it's controversial because the mother is using her child in a narcissistic cali May 2012 #8
a) that's not right. b) you think *your* yearbook baby photo is bad? lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #3
Why not? The photo will pursue him, we are that kind of a repressed society nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #7
whether it's normal in some parts of the world is irrelevant. cali May 2012 #10
And perhaps his mother, and a great many others, feel it is time our society changed FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #40
Maybe Time will do a reenactment photo with them in 15 years Son of Gob May 2012 #9
My s-i-l breast fed her girls until kindergarten. My opinion, that is a bit old but it is no skin appleannie1 May 2012 #6
First six months are critical nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #11
You stopped at first bite? HubertHeaver May 2012 #13
My cousin used to bite his mother. He never outlived the name Nipper. Auntie Bush May 2012 #32
Wow. lapislzi May 2012 #12
The first thing I asked my lactation colleagues vanlassie May 2012 #18
No issue with breast feeding. Big issue with the image and headline lapislzi May 2012 #21
It's not in the Olive Garden? NV Whino May 2012 #14
As long as she phases it out by the time the kid is in middle school Nye Bevan May 2012 #15
now really.... seabeyond May 2012 #16
. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #22
True, but by that time there will be a waiting line to the "source" cr8tvlde May 2012 #30
To each their own, but this is still pretty sick eissa May 2012 #17
The kid looks like he could easily sit at the dinner table with the big folks ... Bake May 2012 #20
Gotta agree. 'nuf said. n/t RebelOne May 2012 #29
As for the connection part... JHB May 2012 #50
Very attractive woman. nt Lucky Luciano May 2012 #19
The Young Boy Does NOT Look Happy to Be There. I Suspect it's Deliberate. NYC_SKP May 2012 #24
....lucky kid....n/t unkachuck May 2012 #25
Even though I nursed my kids, this cover sort of... polichick May 2012 #26
Ditto...on all accounts...including the macho cammo outfit. n/t cr8tvlde May 2012 #31
Yeah, that cammo! I'd like to talk to the stylist about the thinking behind the shot. polichick May 2012 #37
That's exactly how I felt. I breastfed too Number23 May 2012 #39
Poor kid - he'll have to think up a quick come-back or they'll eat him alive! polichick May 2012 #41
It may just be me, but I have no doubt that in a few years Number23 May 2012 #45
"Attachment Parenting," my ass... derby378 May 2012 #28
As an Early Childhood Education teacher ... cr8tvlde May 2012 #33
Controversial? guitar man May 2012 #34
What's wrong with this picture? Generic Brad May 2012 #35
It's the styling of the picture - the poses and expressions - that's strange... polichick May 2012 #36
Just out of curiosity...and no one is saying it is offensive...just wierd and edgy cr8tvlde May 2012 #38
Sure-why? vanlassie May 2012 #42
Good for you. Congratulations on your family...truly. cr8tvlde May 2012 #46
Well I do appreciate your comments. but calling long term nursing mothers "smother mothers" does not vanlassie May 2012 #48
OK...the term smother mothers has NOTHING to do with nursing. cr8tvlde May 2012 #49
Considering artificial growth hormone in beef and dairy products is causing the onset of puberty WonderGrunion May 2012 #43
Because we all know...human milk is dairy??? vanlassie May 2012 #44
Why Does America Hate It's Moms...Financial Times...Another Nursing Photo cr8tvlde May 2012 #47
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. Ok sorry, but this is how exactly controversial?
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:27 PM
May 2012

Oh wait, we get the icky over normal functions... We have seen photos like this published in National Geographic from other places in the world...

Oy.

Son of Gob

(1,502 posts)
2. I think it's because the kid is wearing camouflage pants.
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:29 PM
May 2012

Those have been out of style for at least 4 years.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
4. I think the camouflage pants are a metaphor
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:33 PM
May 2012

for the military sucking at the government tit as Simpson would say

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. it's controversial because the mother is using her child in a narcissistic
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:35 PM
May 2012

manner. She's using him to illustrate her adult pov. I have a real problem with parents using children like they're some sort of extension of themselves. They aren't.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
3. a) that's not right. b) you think *your* yearbook baby photo is bad?
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:32 PM
May 2012

I wouldn't want to be this kid in 15 years.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. Why not? The photo will pursue him, we are that kind of a repressed society
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:34 PM
May 2012

but this is perfectly normal around the world.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. whether it's normal in some parts of the world is irrelevant.
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:37 PM
May 2012

He lives in this society and his mother knows that. And btw, in most parts of the world, it's not "normal" to pose breastfeeding your 4 year old on the cover of a national mag- not that that's the most germane point.

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
40. And perhaps his mother, and a great many others, feel it is time our society changed
Sat May 12, 2012, 12:17 AM
May 2012

it's views on this point.

And like many times in history, public discourse and a certain amount of public exposure are necessary for change to be understood, accept and embraced.

This is just more of the same and we, as a nation, would do well to respect the legal rights of others.

appleannie1

(5,062 posts)
6. My s-i-l breast fed her girls until kindergarten. My opinion, that is a bit old but it is no skin
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:33 PM
May 2012

off my nose. Everyone to their own thing. I personally stopped it once teeth came in.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
32. My cousin used to bite his mother. He never outlived the name Nipper.
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:26 PM
May 2012

He was called that up until the day he died in his 70's

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
12. Wow.
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:49 PM
May 2012

Good thing this is none of my damned business, or I might have an opinion. But, I do not.

I DO have an issue with the provocative headline, because wtf kind of a throwdown is that?

vanlassie

(5,666 posts)
18. The first thing I asked my lactation colleagues
Thu May 10, 2012, 03:33 PM
May 2012

Since I won't pay to read the article, is whether there are also some lovely tender photos included... Apparently not-Time was going for the Enquirer-style presentation here, just trying to sell their rag.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
21. No issue with breast feeding. Big issue with the image and headline
Thu May 10, 2012, 04:32 PM
May 2012

The whole cover--image, headline, is belligerent and confrontational. The only thing missing is the camo kid flipping the reader off.

Why? What is the point they are making?

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
30. True, but by that time there will be a waiting line to the "source"
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:21 PM
May 2012

and the "source" not likely so perky. LOL.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
17. To each their own, but this is still pretty sick
Thu May 10, 2012, 03:29 PM
May 2012

And I speak as someone whose grandmother breast-fed her only son well into his elementary years, and another male relative did the same until he was about seven. This was back in the old country where women in the villages believed that breast-feeding your son as long as possible would make him grow stronger. Both men are in their late 40s now. Both are extremely juvenille and childish. Connection?

Btw, my teens would be horrified if I posted any baby pics of them on FB. I can't even imagine what this poor kid is going to think of this very public photo when he's 16.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
20. The kid looks like he could easily sit at the dinner table with the big folks ...
Thu May 10, 2012, 04:31 PM
May 2012

And probably cut his own piece of meat with the knife and fork.

Just sayin'.

Bake

JHB

(37,157 posts)
50. As for the connection part...
Wed May 16, 2012, 12:49 PM
May 2012

...my guess is that the men have grown up with a whole array of things that failed to discourage juvenile behavior by the time they qualified as grown-ups. Going by my little window on the world, it seems to rarely be from just one thing.

If there's a connection with the late breast-feeding, odds are it's just part of a package.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
24. The Young Boy Does NOT Look Happy to Be There. I Suspect it's Deliberate.
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:54 PM
May 2012

It looks like torture, really. Who puts a kid on a chair and feeds them standing up???

The posture of both is fucking unreal and over the top, her hand on her hip, and he's what? on a chair? like, "mom, do I HAVE TO?"

The scene is just bizarre, as is the caption, and the photograph is unkind toward women who chose this practice with children this age.

So the photograph is "editorial", to be kind, and designed to generate emotion.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
26. Even though I nursed my kids, this cover sort of...
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:12 PM
May 2012

...creeped me out. It was just weird to see a kid standing on a chair and looking at the camera.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
39. That's exactly how I felt. I breastfed too
Fri May 11, 2012, 11:41 PM
May 2012

But this chick is taking it to a whoooole 'nother level. I can't help but think that in 6 or 7 years when her son's playmates come across this photo, her son will probably be as creeped out as the rest of us.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
45. It may just be me, but I have no doubt that in a few years
Sat May 12, 2012, 11:07 PM
May 2012

That woman is going to regret that magazine cover. IMMENSELY.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
28. "Attachment Parenting," my ass...
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:16 PM
May 2012

Kids need to learn how to be independent, how to do things on their own, how to succeed on their own merits. That poor kid isn't going to learn any of that if his mom smothers him.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
33. As an Early Childhood Education teacher ...
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:29 PM
May 2012

these were the poor kids we had to wrench from the mothers at kindergarten...both of them clutching to hold on. Smother Mothers. Milk from a straw in a carton with graham crackers...tough on the kids.

guitar man

(15,996 posts)
34. Controversial?
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:31 PM
May 2012

Now, if there's an ad for Olive Garden and an article about Pitbulls in this rag too, THAT would be controversial

Generic Brad

(14,272 posts)
35. What's wrong with this picture?
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:31 PM
May 2012

A mother breastfeeding her child. Why in the world would anyone consider that controversial? If someone finds this offensive, it says more about them than it does about the picture.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
36. It's the styling of the picture - the poses and expressions - that's strange...
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:35 PM
May 2012

I'm pretty sure that's not how they normally go about it.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
38. Just out of curiosity...and no one is saying it is offensive...just wierd and edgy
Fri May 11, 2012, 11:35 PM
May 2012

Can you visualilze Dad standing there posing with mom and Kindergarten age/size boy?

vanlassie

(5,666 posts)
42. Sure-why?
Sat May 12, 2012, 09:42 AM
May 2012

Early childhood ed expert? Btw I nursed my firstborn son until he turned 4. His teachers in primary school often noted how gentle and friendly he was. He was a leader. He graduated with a physics degree from Cal. He is the best father to his own three year old still nursing son that I could not be more proud. Maybe there is something you didn't get taught about "early education?". I think early education means meeting age appropriate needs and gently weaning from mom. But that's just me and I never did teach early education, except to my own two delightfully well adjusted now successful adult children.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
46. Good for you. Congratulations on your family...truly.
Sat May 12, 2012, 11:54 PM
May 2012

Many kids don't get to nurse at all and get along fine, as well. Many kids don't get a "natural" birth and come out just fine. My son started snatching at "real" food at 8 months, walked at 10 months, weaned himself at 18 months, talked early, etc. He's an Aries and I've been chasing him ever since...he was homeschooled through Kindergarten and a neighborhood Preschool Coop and now is doing great, as well. Each parent-child relationship is unique. No one is judging you, your child or your choices.

Early Childhood Education in California, which included Pre K -3rd grade, began in 1971 because of mothers having to go out into the workplace. Lots of stay-at-home mothers had a lot of judgment around that. Some public school systems began to provide for kids during the day younger than 5 or kindergarten age. We were a pilot program in the South Whittier School District and we had a full educational curriculum. But the kids had to be weaned to come to preschool/PreK and for the mother to go to work. That's all.


vanlassie

(5,666 posts)
48. Well I do appreciate your comments. but calling long term nursing mothers "smother mothers" does not
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:13 PM
May 2012

sit right with me. Maybe you know this is not fair to say and it just slipped out. And yes- there are many variations of "fine." Long term nursing does not equate with smothering. It is more than a fine thing to do- it's an excellent thing- and yes it is sad that all mothers and children don't get to do it.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
49. OK...the term smother mothers has NOTHING to do with nursing.
Wed May 16, 2012, 12:35 PM
May 2012

...on account of because in school we do not ask them their nursing history. They are the kids that the mother has a harder time sending off to school and both have evident "attachment issues". Perhaps "hovering" would be a better word, reflecting some earlier family incident, and yes, mothers too often have both responsibility and criticism.

WonderGrunion

(2,995 posts)
43. Considering artificial growth hormone in beef and dairy products is causing the onset of puberty
Sat May 12, 2012, 09:50 AM
May 2012

in children as young as 6 - 8 years of age, exactly how long do we want mothers with their sons attached to their breasts?

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
47. Why Does America Hate It's Moms...Financial Times...Another Nursing Photo
Sun May 13, 2012, 12:10 AM
May 2012

the new rage ... plus Six Dicatators with Mommy Issues...really. I just don't know how to get the image from Windows Photo. This one does look a bit more like National Geographic than Chic Magazine, however.

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