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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHillary Clinton’s scripted campaign is starting to make New Hampshire mad
I've wondered about why they've been running this kind of a campaign NH. I can only guess that they believe that NH voters are locked down.
Now it appears that Hillary Clintons campaign is starting to get on New Hampshires nerves for being impersonal.
The Nashua Telegraph published an editorial Thursday that said a conference call by Clintons campaign with local media was the antithesis of what NH is about.
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In fact, the nature of the call itself runs counter to a long tradition where the appearance of unnamed sources be they presidential candidates or their operatives are few and far between in New Hampshire newspapers, including this one. Anonymity, as a matter of course and for its own sake, is part of the culture in Washington, not New Hampshire.
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During her first New Hampshire visit, Clinton held panel discussions and house parties, only open to pre-credentialed media and individuals selected by campaign organizers.
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Clintons campaign is set to return to New Hampshire this weekend, visiting Smuttynose Brewery in Hampton and an organizing event in Exeter. A campaign press release indicates neither will be open to the public.
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http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2015/05/21/hillary-clinton-scripted-campaign-starting-make-new-hampshire-mad/bN1yNXGLgZ3W91aJtccZ2K/story.html
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,440 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)are getting boring. OP isn't swaying anyone.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the posts I know are just going to end up in snark.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Quackers
(2,256 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)but you wouldn't care, obviously.
Nor would you care about when she REALLY said about Kissinger.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)"Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state. He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations about foreign leaders and sending me written reports on his travels."
Next thing you know, you'll be saying Kissenger wasn't that bad like some others have.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)What could she have said which would appease you? What's the approved message?
Quackers
(2,256 posts)So I posted what she said. Now, I'm supposed to excuse what she said because she's the enevitable Hillary?
Please, tell me, is there anything that Hillary can say or do that you wouldn't excuse and finally say she's not a good candidate?
Also, do you think she was right when she said what she did about Kissinger? I've even seen other members defend him for the sake of Hillary. That's just fucked up.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Second I didn't ask you to excuse anything. Third she isn't inevitable, and if you a Bernie supporter and think that, that's rediculous.
If you feel like participating in this discussion please tell me what she could say or do that would appease you? I'm actually interested.
IMO... She didn't say much about Kissinger beyond normal polite conversation, it doesn't say she based foreign policy decisions entirely on his advice, it's doesn't say she thinks he was the greatest secretary ever, people read into things what they want to see.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)If President Obama ever said that he relied on bush's counsel as president and that bush checked in with him regularly, I would imagine there would be some pissed off people here who felt betrayed.
Saying you rely on someone's counsel and that they check in with you on a regular basis is way more than just polite conversation. It sounds more like a personal advisor to me.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Lol.
Really? There is one quote that gets paraded around, what's rediculous is this one quote is all people have yet they take so much from that quote.
I rely on Skinner's council if I need help on this website, and I interact with him on a regular basis... A personal advisor he is *not*...
Sorry Skinner!
Quackers
(2,256 posts)Skinner is damn good with design and implementation of this site. So relying on Skinner's counsel is a wise decision.
Relying on Henry Kissinger's counsel, not so much.
Btw, if I'm coming across as abrupt, my apologies. None of my anger is personally aimed at you. I just don't feel Hillary is trustworthy.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)That's how my logic works, see how you just made that polite compliment? It's easy to fall into that trap...
Quackers
(2,256 posts)Good for him! And as I've stated before, if Hillary gets the nomination, I will gracefully leave DU due to the TOS. I still think Hillary would be the worst possible candidate to represent us as a party.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)gave Bill Moyers when he interviewed her last year - he was asking about something Warren Buffett said, and her eyes brightened and she perked up, "he's a friend of mine!" and I just rolled my eyes.
Like Hillary, Elizabeth Warren also came from a figurative nowhere but she became Somebody due to her own efforts, not because she married up.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)It's awfully early for major campaign efforts there, I think. The Clinton campaign is approaching the early campaign strategy slowly in Iowa, too. Things will ramp up as time passes, I'm quite certain. Early campaigning is quickly forgotten, so timing is important. Are New Hampshire residents really that interested in the 2016 campaign this early in 2015? I doubt that most of them are paying much attention at this point.
Autumn
(45,012 posts)Not a wise steward of her campaign funds. Oh wait... never mind.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Her strategy is the same in both places - meeting with small groups. Is that the best strategy for this election? I don't know the answer to that, but it is her current early strategy.
She's taking a slow approach to those early states in the early days of her campaign. I imagine things will change as time passes. I wouldn't read much into it, in any case, at this point.
I'm not involved with her campaign, so I have no idea what its strategy is. Same thing with the Sanders campaign. I don't know its plans, either. I'm just observing what's happening in those states where I am not a voter. In Minnesota, there's nothing going on with either Democratic candidate. Nothing at all that's visible, anyhow.
Neither campaign is really fully organized yet, so there's no local campaign organization for either here.
Autumn
(45,012 posts)MineralMan
(146,281 posts)I imagine she'll keep doing those until the organization is ready to move to the next phase.
I was at a meeting last week with another campaign organization. The candidate, right now, is meeting with individuals and small groups, getting information and asking about what issues should get top priority and what strategies should be used. That information will be part of campaign planning. Right now, there's not much else going on, due to the time being so early.
Our precinct caucuses in Minnesota, the very first thing on the calendar, will be on March 1, 2016. It's the end of May, 2015 now. It's campaign planning time, not campaign launching time, really. There was some discussion of scheduling for major events, but none of those will occur until early next year. There's some fundraising going on right now, though, but not general fundraising.
Effective campaigns take a long time to plan. There won't be another meeting of the organization I mentioned for a couple more months.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)you are talking about could have been done before that. I do not remember any of this happening so early before.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)People sort of like to do that around here.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008
jwirr
(39,215 posts)build her campaign machine after entering the official campaign?
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)Last edited Fri May 22, 2015, 02:54 PM - Edit history (1)
the hills and that is what makes it seem to be mysterious or even evasive-regards to journalist''s grumblings. Now
the key to this age old political campaign tactic in whats going down now is what brings in a very different twist.
And thats the interesting aspect of it which in turn seems to leave a certain suspense . Small gatherings in town hall settings
is exactly how senators and congress critters ,governors and such have forged their way into seating, seemingly using the age old tactic.
However in the assembly it is the political candidate standing upon the bully pulpit firing up the crowd talking ,preaching and ranting
,indeed the face of yer hero and the victor of the people.
The twist in it you see is quite simple and perhaps even brilliant given all the money put into media campaigns in the times we live in.
Listening to what people have to say up close and personal is what is seemingly unusual ,but is it ? Or is it a long lost old as the hills
forgotten way about campaigning ?
Grass roots, thats how Bill Clinton got elected governor the first and second time. Oh yes the one term governor came back for a second run at it. Hence the come back kid. But thats old hat.
The last eight years or so has shown in different places and in different election cycles what exactly piss's people off
about the same ol'e political campaign process.
If the Clinton campaign stays the course with listening ,up close and personal rather than coming across as all knowing
and full of talk of the same ol'e same ol'e , we might just see something that hasn't been seen since television and radio became the
political medium for reaching the greater general public. So what was there before that, those newspapers ? Up close and personal ties directly in with word of mouth traveling news which is a powerful source of advertising by the way. And since the media has turned to tabloid trash -brian Willams demonstrated
the trash heap in that sensationalism sells,bull shit sells. So, you believe little of what you see, read or are told ,hear as the saying goes.
Yer right though, it's early on and the suspense will carry on !
So HRC is listening and taking notes, that is a far cry form doing all the talking .
Outside the box and all that jazz ! So it's different ,but the method is old as the hills - such as the saying goes.
So we may be experiencing a bit of a revival,but I got to tell ya, HRC jumped on the train at the head of it !
That trains been rolling along for a while. The idea is, there is room for everybody.
And thats the ticket-, the ticket to ride. Ok so, what's in a name !
HRC has already drawn from what is and was in her own back yard,yards-, little would she have figured what is even closer holds the key.
It's old as the hills you know, it's just the light brought to the method that is new.
Kind of like the sun shining through the over cast in the sky, -a glimmer of needed sun shine ,and hope it will burn off the dismal over cast !
And isn't that hope and change ! It does happen ! What it all comes down to is we will have to wait and than see what naturally occurs. And it's looking like the weather man or girl and or the media ain't gonna be on top of it .
But hay,that's noth'en new is it ?
cali
(114,904 posts)has lasting implications. You've heard the axiom about making a first impression. It may appear awfully early to you, but it obviously doesn't to the campaign or she wouldn't be returning there already.
Early campaigning can be forgotten or..... not.
And yes, god yes. NH voters absolutely are interested this early. Obsessed is more like it. It's the state past time.
I guarantee you the entire state is paying close attention.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Both candidates will be ramping up efforts in NH and IA. I doubt, though, that either will be holding big open rallies for a while yet. When they do, we can compare crowd sizes. Until then, it's just early feeler events. Seems to me to be right on schedule. But what do I know?
cali
(114,904 posts)as house parties and going to the expected Presidential candidate well known spots- from MaryAnn's Diner in Derry to Chutter's Candy store in Littleton. It's weird and somewhat annoying that NH voters are this demanding and rigid about what they expect from candidates. They may be the most entitled voters in the country.
Big events actually go against the grain in NH. It's all about access, shaking hands and asking the candidate questions in NH.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)There will be much pressing of flesh in both states. Just not yet. Right now it's all about known supporters and planning. A little fundraising, too, but that's just beginning, too.
Much ado about very little, right now. I wouldn't pay much attention to it, frankly.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)We learned about them from the media coverage. Not the best way but the possibility of pressing the flesh of all voters in Iowa is ridiculous. Even in Iowa City at the University this did not happen.
The problem I am seeing is that this campaign has started way too early and it was not necessary.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Early feelers. They'll both be in Iowa, too, on a frequent basis. That's already started, too. It seems to get earlier and earlier every four years. More's the pity.
I'm sure Hillary Clinton will be dropping in on Minnesota pretty soon, too. She'll be meeting with supporters, and the local news media will cover that, as well. So it goes.
At some point, I'm sure I'll be at one of those appearances. Depending on its size, I may even get a chance to shake her hand. I hope so. She might even show up at one of the district conventions where I'll be a delegate. That's one place where I often get to share a word with major candidates. I hope I'll get to meet Bernie Sanders, too, on one of his visits to Minnesota.
So far, I've only shaken hands with two Presidents. I'd like to up my count.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)really good name recognition. For him it is good. More time to get the word out about who he is and what he believes.
What most of us are saying is that she is not using her time that way. She already has name recognition. What she believes today is another thing. And for her to do that right now is probably not wise.
1monster
(11,012 posts)brother (Billy Carter). After that, the closest I've come to a President is my sister meeting Michelle Obama at some DC event...
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Interested? no, not this early.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)This is the time when they're trying to line up the fans that will be the core of their campaign in NH. Need to get them onboard several months ahead of time so you can start using them around October.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)That's why these small meetings of supporters are so important right now. Both current candidates are doing similar things. Mostly, it's out of public view. Nothing unusual about the state of the campaigns right now. It's just that there's no real news, so people are writing about this stuff because they have to write about something. It's all pretty irrelevant to 2016, really.
DU is about people who think about politics all the time. Voters don't do that, in general. They have other priorities until the election gets a lot nearer. DU is not representative of politics in general. We're all wonky here.
cali
(114,904 posts)with about 100 attending. Small closed meeting in NH are not what NH voters expect. Bernie's approach is not the same and not out of public view or consisting of 4 or 5 screened supporters.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)supporters in NH? Really? It's good that he had a house party with 100 attendees. There will be lots of those for Clinton, too. Just not right at this moment.
As I said, it's a long time until February. What's going on in campaigns right now is not going to determine who wins the NH primary or the Iowa caucuses. Anyone who thinks it will is not thinking clearly about this.
The Sanders campaign will, no doubt, look different from Clinton's. Who will win the NH primary? We won't know that until February of next year. Best of luck to the candidates, I say. I don't envy them in any way. It's a long, hard pull.
cali
(114,904 posts)no, what's going on doesn't determine the winner- it's setting the tone. can the tone be changed? sure, but you can't let that impression linger for long.
And the odds are great that Clinton will win NH no matter what. Money counts a great deal, even in retail politics states. But why bother going at all this early if you're going to get bad local press and make a less than sterling first impression? And I'm not knocking Clinton. I'm genuinely puzzled by this.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Clinton is in NH getting ready to begin her campaign there. Her strategy is to start with small, private meetings, but there's already a different sort of event planned for early June. I don't think the location has been revealed yet, though.
Her meeting in NH got some press. No surprise there. And given the need for pundits to engage in punditry, it's being analyzed and picked apart. Doesn't matter a damn bit, really. As you say, it's likely that Clinton will win the NH primary. I'd be surprised if she didn't. Sanders will probably come in second. What's important is what percentage of the vote he ends up with. If it's a close second, he'll be encouraged and some additional donors will kick in.
None of this matters yet. Not even a little bit. It will start mattering this Summer and Fall. Until then, it's just punditry and noise. Really, everything is just that at this point. Interesting to political wonks like DUers, but unimportant, really, in terms of vote-getting. If I were a columnist or major political blogger, I suppose I'd be writing about this stuff, too. But I'm not. I post on a minor political forum and that's all. My real political work is done where I live.
All of this talk right now is simply amusing, really. It means little.
cali
(114,904 posts)and it was a local paper- an influential one- that wrote an irritated editorial about her campaign.
and you are wrong. You can't say absolutely as you keep repeating over and over that it doesn't matter at all in the tiniest bit. You simply can't know that. It may matter. It may not. One thing that's become clear via your posts in this thread, is that you don't understand the dynamics in NH. I've knocked on plenty of doors in the North Country there, and I disagree with your assessment that no one is paying attention and that setting the tone for a campaign is irrelevant.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Carry on as you please. But expect comments. This is DU. You post and people reply. Like you, I spend a lot of time here, and I comment in a lot of threads. Sometimes, I even start one of my own, although not as frequently as you do, of course. That's what DU is for.
When I say this doesn't matter, that's my opinion. My opinion is based on what I know and have observed during my life. Your opinion, I imagine, is based on similar things. We differ on this. You find this significant, and I think it has zero significance. I will continue to post my opinion freely in any thread that catches my interest.
See you around, I'm sure.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)who you already know love you. There might be some other people out there who would do great helping you win, but they don't get into those small gatherings of the already-elite.
It introduces the campaign as elitist. That's not terribly helpful. It may or may not be enough to hurt - it will depend what Sanders and O'Malley do with it.
I'd recommend some "public" events along with some "private" events instead of going for all "private". You still line up the "super-supporters" in private events, but you get the "everyperson" vibe out there from the public events.
Voters at large might not be thinking much about politics, but they will remember that Clinton entered the state with an elitist spin.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)are a great source of information, not to mention contributions. Some of the planning for public events is going on right now, too. The Clinton campaign just announced the date for the first of those, early in June. Probably in Iowa. I don't know, but it will turn out a few thousand people, wherever it's held.
There will be many such events in the earliest primary and caucus states, along with other in states with later primaries and caucuses. It's all being planned right now. In Minnesota, our precinct caucuses and straw vote will be on March 1, 2016. Guess what? Hillary Clinton will be here for some large event just before that date. She'll also be here before that for meetings with her supporters, no doubt. There are many such supporters here. Sanders might show up, too, if his campaign has the budget and organization for it. Those things are scheduled for maximum press coverage and impact.
It's a mistake to put too much stock in what's going on in May of 2015. There will be a slow ramping up of events of all sizes. Clinton's campaign is full of people with experience in national campaigns. They're on it, I'm sure. The Sanders campaign, too, has campaign experts as advisers. Fewer, no doubt, than Clinton's team, and maybe with less national experience. We'll see what they all come up with as time passes.
Autumn
(45,012 posts)be their President?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)you actually ask for, stringing you along that MAYBE they'll CONSIDER it after they get both houses and the Presidency
boston bean
(36,220 posts)Did you read this part:
cali
(114,904 posts)and this is the first impression of her 2016 campaign in the state
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Just asking.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)But it's early yet. I think that Sec. Clinton will find that she has to reach out.
DURHAM D
(32,607 posts)liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)My guess, No one!
Anyone that goes off script is either out of the race or immediately pulled back on by their handlers.
Kingofalldems
(38,440 posts)By the way, do you think Bernie would approve of the constant attacks on Sen. Clinton, including attacks on her integrity?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Meanwhile... Ive seen Bernie twice.
cali
(114,904 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)More so than any primary I can remember. Usually when I see a candidate this early there are not too, too many people there. But when I saw Bernie months ago there were hundreds. People came from all over New England. It was crazy.
Also - we are a very stubborn people here. You were right upthread about our demanding nature re: politicians. Theres lot a chatter about being "told" who our nominee is going to be. It pisses people off. I think thats why so many are paying attention so early.
cali
(114,904 posts)I think they have a history of really putting candidates through their paces and getting them to reveal quite a bit.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Im sure Id feel the same way if I didnt live here. I wish every state had the same opportunity we have. Especially where it comes to seeing someone like Sen. Sanders in person. Every time I hear how uninspiring he is... It makes me want to
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Most recent poll I could find - May 10th.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)See a trend?
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Also I note that Warren, a non-candidate from another neighboring state to NH (like Bernie), is still included in this chart.
I feel that the recent poll I posted is more indicative of what's going on in NH and that Bernie still has a lot of work to do. We'll see how it goes once they both start campaigning in earnest. I might vote for Bernie, haven't decided yet.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)And if youd rather rely on a single poll than an average... have at it. I tend not to.
You didn't even read my post.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Oh right. I missed that one.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Since you agreed with the below poster about Warren, it's clear you're being dismissive with me.
That's fine, it's just par for the course on a political forum just wanted to point out that you agreed with my point in another post.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)which is what this article is peddling.
Cause the Nashua Telegraph haz a sad since Hillary isn't kissing their butts. LOL
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Shes not out here rubbing elbows the way the others are. But... maybe she doesnt need to.
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)She has said numerous times she's not running and including her in the polls skews their accuracy.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)He's gone from 3% to 7% to 10% to 13% and now a jump to 18%!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)He's gone from 3% to 7% to 10% to 13% and now a jump to 18%!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)I'm sure she appreciates the concern of her opponent's supporters, though.
cali
(114,904 posts)an opening.
And she barely won NH last time, and that's largely attributed to her having become more personal and less scripted. She wants to repeat the mistakes of 2008? I'm fine with that.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)But we'll see.
newblewtoo
(667 posts)in that she barely managed to hang on by her fingernails against a relative unknown. The college age voters and independents virtually deserted her. Her tearful performance at the café in Portsmouth bought her a bit of cred but that will be a difficult stunt to repeat.
Politics is a blood sport in New Hampshire. Candidates are able to be more intimate with voters, New Hampshire is a small state with informed voters and the small house party is stock in trade. Independents are free to declare and vote in New Hampshire primaries on primary day then un enrolling immediately after to maintain their independent status.
I would watch for further erosion in Hillary's poll numbers here. NH leads things off. It may seem early to some but not so much here in NH. Someone has to go first. NH offers a very compact, (relatively) inexpensive venue with an informed and motivated voting populace. In many ways it sets the tone for what is to follow but it is by no means a guarantee. (see 2008)
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)It's virtually non-stop ... multiple posts ... day after day after day after ...
cali
(114,904 posts)with your leg up and iced, day in day out it's not a bad way to pass the time and divert yourself from pain. And I manage to get in a lot of reading too. Helps that I don't sleep more than 3 or 4 hours max.
brooklynite
(94,452 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)and removed.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Response to cali (Original post)
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cali
(114,904 posts)this is the second time you've done that. Knock it the fuck off. Don't try it again.
Oh, and this has nothing to do with the GOP. It's doesn't come from the GOP. There's nothing remotely right wing or left wing about it. It's simply reporting about a campaign
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cali
(114,904 posts)clear cut lie. And you insinuated it in the post in this thread. This doesn't help the GOP. That's mindless crap. Your quaint and plaintive comments on my vulgarity are rather amusing. Don't care for my comments? Don't fucking respond to them, genius. And calling someone a troll here is not allowed, so let me say with great vulgarity: Don't fucking do it again. It's dog shit dishonest. It's a heap of reeking offal.
kisses flung with abandon in your general direction!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)this means the whole state of New Hampshire haz a sad. You seem to agree with this assertion.
And to call what Hillary is doing, meeting with groups of people, as impersonal is so stupid one wonders why you posted it.
Cause you seem so concerned.
So you're not a troll. You're still pushing stupid crap when there are a lot of issues to hammer Hillary on.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)Ffs,
-It's 8.5 months out.
-NH saved Hillary's campaign last time after she weeped in a diner and Obama called her "likable enough" in a debate the Sat. night before the primary. She can be excused for thinking she can easily fix any "problems" she might have there as and when she needs to.
-Iowa matters a lot more than NH.
procon
(15,805 posts)that only has a circulation of 27K. The Nashua Telegraph criticized Clinton for a background-only call, something that has long been a standard political campaign messaging tool to provide reporters with background color info on a candidate. Its boring stuff, and isn't likely on anyone's radar as a go to source unless you count most right wing blogs and forums, and some folks at DU who must have the same Google alert out for all things anti-Hillary.
It's doubtful the Clinton campaign believes that any state is "locked down" when there is 18 months to go and the Koch Brothers are expected to spend at least $1 billion to get the election they want.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)All of New Hampshire is mad? All of it? The entire state? Just wow.
And just the other day, it was reported, she was talking to a group of folks who were 100% on her side until she mentioned her support of GMOs and they all dropped her like a hot potato. Just like that! Amazing, aint it?
Prediction - she wins NH by a landslide!!!
perdita9
(1,144 posts)The stupid media only cares about fake scandals they can drum up to sell newspapers.
Why is anyone surprised that she is being packaged and marketed like a breakfast cereal? That's what gets the dolts to go out and buy something that is neither good for them or in their best interest.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Poor Nashua Telegraph.
She is talking DIRECTLY to the voters. That is the antithesis of "impersonal".
It is so freaking aggravating when DU'ers force me to defend Hillary.
Please move on to an actual issue.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)causes others to dig in and dislike him more.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)DU has camps or tribes who dig in and post and argue based on their egos. They aren't changing whom they support and that is not the point of DU posting.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)April 10, 2015 Hillary Clinton's 2008 primary loss looms large at every step of her 2016 campaign, but the Democratic frontrunner's team is looking farther back for lessons from the past, namely to the summer of 1999. That was when Clintonthen the first lady and still living in the White Houseembarked on a "listening tour" across the state of New York ahead of the official launch of her 2000 Senate campaign.
Now, as she prepares to officially start her campaign Sunday, Clinton's plans are strikingly similar. Out are the mega-rallies. Instead, the candidate is planning a series of smaller, less-scripted events that allow her to interact one-on-one with voters. And on both her 1999 listening tour and her 2016 kickoff, the goal is the same: build the candidate's credentials as one that connects with voters, knows the issues they care about and makes it clear she isn't taking anything for granted.
"In 1999, it was an introduction to voters, it was an introduction to her as a candidate," said Lee Miringoff, a veteran pollster at Marist College in New York. "That's why it worked for her, because it sort of took on the issue directly that she wasn't from New York and therefore was going to have to do some listening."
Karen Finney, an aide to Clinton at the time and a staffer for her emerging 2016 campaign, said the former secretary of State is "very good at making the people who she's talking with very comfortable and at ease." In thinking about the current campaign, Finney added that Clinton herself will play a big role in how comfortable and connected voters feel at events like these.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)On Fri May 22, 2015, 12:01 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Troll is term that fits, it's not a name, and this does help the GOP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6711942
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This post is calling another DUer a troll, this isn't okay and is against the terms of service. Please vote to hide this post.
JURY RESULTS
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 22, 2015, 12:09 PM, and the Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm fine for calling them if it's true, but in this case Cali's topic isn't trolling.
This guy, however, is a disruptive troll.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's against the rules lewebley, whether you like it or not.
Best Wishes!
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Seriously? Cali is a troll? enjoy your stay
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You know why I vote to leave this alone.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Out of line.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)we hugged and made up though.
Rex
(65,616 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)I'm not sure if NH reads DU, but I don't want to risk them getting mad at me again.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You know how those state get!