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CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:00 PM May 2015

The Seduction of Splendor: Wedding Feast at Cana by Paolo Veronese

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The Wedding Feast at Cana. 1563. Musee de Louvre. Paris.

This 16th century work by Veronese, a late Renaissance/early Mannerist artist, portrays the Biblical story of the first of Christ’s miracles, at the suggestion of his mother, when she sees the feast has run out of wine. A simple story that Veronese expresses as a huge work engulfs the wall where it is mounted in the Louvre.

Giving you an idea of its size...

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Wedding Feast at Cana evokes the inordinate wealth and sumptuous tastes of the Venetian republic in all of its resplendent glory. Employing loose, expressive brushwork and lush colorito alla Veneziana this expansive canvas gives us a rich theatrical tableau of the artist’s time: Venice never had it so good, you could say. It was untroubled by the woes that beset the Florentine republic, earning Venice the title of La Serenissima. Venice was supremely expert at working the trade routes to the East, bringing rare spices, silk and fine artifacts to its people who were happy to be where they were and who they were. To do this Veronese employs the costly pigments that were brought to Venice from the Orient: yellow-oranges, vivid reds and lapis lazuli. We see the turbaned and bejeweled exoticism of the men and the sumptuously adorned women (one of whom holds a famed “golden toothpick" in her mouth -- for more see http://www.kcet.org/living/food/the-nosh/the-spectacle-of-renaissance-dining.html). The majestic fluted columns on the upper level suggest the architecture of Veronese’s contemporary, Palladio. No less beautiful are the sensuously veined marble columns below them. This painting celebrates that brief, shining moment, both in social history and in religious terms.

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The mother of Christ, dressed in such drabness that she stands out among the rich flamboyance around her, is pictured sitting next to her son in the center of the painting and they bear halos in the style of that era’s religious art. Christ gazes out directly at the viewer -- part of the scene and yet apart from it. Above him a butcher is cutting meat while more is seen arriving from between the upper columns to the viewer’s right. Art historians believe that the meat is lamb and is meant to be a religious reference to Christ as the Lamb of God.

The credenza at left is an important feature in this art, in terms of its social history. For this is where the excessive display of the father of the bride’s wealth (silver works of art, plates and silverware which was a new addition at that time) would have been located. These alliances were of course important in the pursuit of the Venetian Republic’s further exploits into finding, and consolidating, wealth into a few Venetian families -- key to domestic stability in the city’s government and culture.

A wine taster in a magnificent white satin robe with gold trim, in exaggerated contrapposto, studies the color of the wine in his beautiful wide mouthed glass -- Veronese’s tribute to the art of glass making that Venice is rightfully proud of.

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The musicians in the center are visual artists of the day playing music, suggesting a harmonizing of the two arts. That is an old Titian on the violincello, Tintoretto and Veronese himself play the violas, and Bassano is shown playing the flute.

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The magnificent Salukis in front of the musicians are a treat. Look more closely, though. In the entire painting, I count four dogs, one cat and one green parrot. Do you?

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It was a Benedictine Order that originally commissioned this painting for the refectory wall of its monastery in one of the Venetian islands. And aptly so, as hospitality is a major dictum of that Order. It was from there that the painting was cut in half, rolled up and carried off to Paris by Napoleon’s soldiers in the late 18th century. By 1815 when Napoleon was defeated, the painting was deemed too fragile to make the trip back to Italy. It had been stitched back together but has suffered from several mishaps and war related events over the years. The one and a half ton picture remains in the Louvre today, just across from Leonardo’s Gioconda.

Because of the picture’s original placement, the artist may have refrained to showing food on the plates (only showing platters of fruit...a nice inclusion of quince, a symbol of marriage, appears prominently), fearing that it would be considered an example of the deadly sin of gluttony. Instead, the feast’s opulence was implied by the silverware and folded linen napkins, a stylishly fashionable “latest thing” in Venice at that time. Of course, the Bible story gets overwhelmed in Veronese’s interpretation... the scriptural account would suggest a smaller event with simpler food, taking place in a dusty town in Galilee.

Art philosopher Arthur C. Danto observes that the Veronese color values disappeared from painting almost immediately after him in favor of the technique of chiarascuro that “defines the the Old Master style of the Baroque that swept Europe after the Counter-Reformation...the strategy was to heighten feeling by enabling the light to fall from an almost mystical source upon the figures it touched. Against these ambitions, Veronese’s art was like walking outdoors, under blue skies...”

Veronese’s work influenced the colorist artists from the Romantics through to Matisse. Delacroix wrote that the artist was “the only one to have caught the whole secret of nature.” The irony is that this scene of bright blue skies and puffy clouds with soaring birds was, in fact, the setting sun on an era of art. But it is surely a brilliant one at that.

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The Seduction of Splendor: Wedding Feast at Cana by Paolo Veronese (Original Post) CTyankee May 2015 OP
That painting sounds to me like this: The Velveteen Ocelot May 2015 #1
wow, what a great montage that was! CTyankee May 2015 #2
Thank you! Solly Mack May 2015 #3
You are welcome! So glad you stopped by...it's pretty impressive... CTyankee May 2015 #5
Wow. Rex May 2015 #4
It's a wonder this thing has survived all it has endured...at one point it was dropped flat CTyankee May 2015 #6
I've seen pictures of it over the years, but had no idea it was that large! Rex May 2015 #7
Kind of amazing that any of art this old survives today...all the plunder and war and CTyankee May 2015 #10
Which makes me wonder now, was it there when the Nazi's invaded France? Rex May 2015 #14
I did read about that history but my memory is a bit foggy...but the Louvre took CTyankee May 2015 #15
Amazing. Rex May 2015 #18
My all time favorite painting! In the same room as the Mona Lisa. displacedtexan May 2015 #8
there's a lot there to process. I don't think tourists have the time to study it closely as CTyankee May 2015 #11
Wonderful! bravenak May 2015 #9
You and me both, bravenak. I have been in tears in front of paintings... CTyankee May 2015 #12
. bravenak May 2015 #13
Van Gogh had me in his museum in Amsterdam with his crows in a wheat field... CTyankee May 2015 #16
I love that I know exactly what you mean. bravenak May 2015 #17
Strange, huh? A simple outdoor scene like that and I just dissolved... CTyankee May 2015 #19
Not strange, but awesome. bravenak May 2015 #20
And I did just that...my travels in Europe over the last 10 years have mainly been to CTyankee May 2015 #21
Me, too. ChazInAz May 2015 #30
A little kick for the Friday evening crowd... CTyankee May 2015 #22
Funny experience with Bosch version. ananda May 2015 #23
This just doesn't "get" the thing about that rendering...but Bosch was certainly not Veronese... CTyankee May 2015 #24
What an amazing painting, my dear CTyankee! CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #25
If you went to the Louvre I bet you saw it...it's been there for a long time... CTyankee May 2015 #28
We did visit the Louvre, but I don't remember seeing it, alas. CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #31
The crowds around the Mona Lisa are always there and you have to wait your turn to CTyankee May 2015 #42
K&R LittleBlue May 2015 #26
Hey, thanks LittleBlue! Glad you like it... CTyankee May 2015 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author wolfie001 May 2015 #27
As always, fantastic. Unknown Beatle May 2015 #32
Stunning, just stunning. pangaia May 2015 #33
Could you reiterate what you Unknown Beatle May 2015 #34
Automatic suffering being what we think of as pangaia May 2015 #35
Thanks for setting that straight. Unknown Beatle May 2015 #36
Yes, I can understand your interpretation here. It was what struck me as I saw his gaze. CTyankee May 2015 #40
About all I can say about the instruments pangaia May 2015 #43
gamba implies to me feminine so in Italian the plural would be gambe but I have CTyankee May 2015 #44
I found six dogs...see the itsy-bitsy one standing on the table to the right? countryjake May 2015 #37
I had to get out my magnifier to get that last one you mention! My eyes are getting CTyankee May 2015 #39
Did you find the parrot? CTyankee May 2015 #41
Oh yeah, it's on the shoulder of the little person in front, left table. countryjake May 2015 #58
Yes, the flowers are teeny but findable when Googling the picture's details CTyankee May 2015 #59
thank you for doing this, I learn so much everytime irisblue May 2015 #38
It looks like a theatrical production from a box stage. blogslut May 2015 #45
I consulted an article by a Renaissance art writer Rembrandt Duits on the conspicuous CTyankee May 2015 #46
Cool. blogslut May 2015 #47
Yes, I do get that and I agree. I think "theatrical" was just what Veronese had in mind... CTyankee May 2015 #49
Like a portal back in time to another place: freshwest May 2015 #48
Thanks, I'm glad you like it... CTyankee May 2015 #50
marking until I can get to my phone... awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #51
heavens, no art in the workplace! CTyankee May 2015 #54
No "anything that might be fun" awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #55
Fabulous work of art. Thanks so much for elevating things around this place. (nt) Paladin May 2015 #52
LOL! CTyankee May 2015 #53
Fantastic post! Codeine May 2015 #56
You know, the exercise in writing this stuff is great for me, now that I'm in retirement... CTyankee May 2015 #57

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,669 posts)
1. That painting sounds to me like this:
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:14 PM
May 2015


Giovanni Gabrieli was at work slightly later, but his music embodies the opulence of Venice, like this painting. Quite a party, that.

Oh, yeah, the cat is at lower right, pawing at a big urn-ish object.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
6. It's a wonder this thing has survived all it has endured...at one point it was dropped flat
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:29 PM
May 2015

on its face when the Louvre was moving it causing more cuts in the canvas that had to be repaired. When I researched the history I was amazed.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. I've seen pictures of it over the years, but had no idea it was that large!
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:33 PM
May 2015

Thank you CTyankee! I LOVE it! Wow! I can only imagine the horrified looks when they dropped it! Imagine the SOUND it made? Probably like a thunderclap!

These are the kind of things that make me remember why I got a degree in History, never will know it all or even a fraction - but what we do learn keeps us childlike imo in our amazement and marvel.



I'm still stuck at WOW.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
10. Kind of amazing that any of art this old survives today...all the plunder and war and
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:51 PM
May 2015

accidents that can befall these wonderful beautiful works...

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. Which makes me wonder now, was it there when the Nazi's invaded France?
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:59 PM
May 2015

I know they stole a huge amount of art and that the Louve while not ancient is still hundreds of years old. Now that I think about it, it is amazing IT is still there and standing!

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
15. I did read about that history but my memory is a bit foggy...but the Louvre took
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:03 PM
May 2015

precautions with their precious art, this one included. The Mona Lisa was replaced with a copy and the real one was driven around in a truck in France to keep it moving and in different places so as not to attract the Germans (who would have carried it off in a second).

it's kinda hard to schlep around a painting of this size. But, yes, it has been in the Louvre ever since Napoleon stole it...

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
18. Amazing.
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:08 PM
May 2015

I remember reading that Napoleon had the Mona Lisa moved to his bedroom in the Tuileries Palace. What an ego!!!

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
8. My all time favorite painting! In the same room as the Mona Lisa.
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:41 PM
May 2015

There's a bench for viewing, and I've sat there studying that painting many times. most people line up to pass by the Mona Lisa, but I find this work utterly fascinating! Thanks for posting this! I can almost smell the floor's distinctive wood soap odor.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
11. there's a lot there to process. I don't think tourists have the time to study it closely as
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:54 PM
May 2015

I have done thanks to modern photography and Google. You can see minute things, like that golden toothpick. I happen to LOVE social history so the back story on that was a great find when I was researching this.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
16. Van Gogh had me in his museum in Amsterdam with his crows in a wheat field...
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:05 PM
May 2015

I couldn't stop the tears and I don't know why to this day...

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
19. Strange, huh? A simple outdoor scene like that and I just dissolved...
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:17 PM
May 2015

of course, my trip had been art heavy all over the Netherlands and I had seen some fantastic art...my guess is that I was on "overload" and just broke down at that moment...it was the last day of that trip...

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
20. Not strange, but awesome.
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:22 PM
May 2015

To me art and the arts are necessary for life. Without beauty and emotion there is no reason to exist. One day I'm going to take a trip to see all the art that I love in person. I'll probably spend most of the time tearing up too. So exciting. Art soothes the soul.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
21. And I did just that...my travels in Europe over the last 10 years have mainly been to
Fri May 22, 2015, 06:26 PM
May 2015

see the great European masterpieces.

I'm winding down now but boy, what a ride that was!

ChazInAz

(2,564 posts)
30. Me, too.
Fri May 22, 2015, 08:05 PM
May 2015

That painting got me. Standing in that darkened room in the Hermitage, with his last few paintings spotlighted. (This was a few years ago, when the Van Gogh Museum was closed, and everything relocated to the Hermitage.)

ananda

(28,856 posts)
23. Funny experience with Bosch version.
Fri May 22, 2015, 07:38 PM
May 2015

Back in the 70's -- one day I decided to go to the Rice Art History Library
where Dominic de Menil had relocated, in order to study the paintings of
Bosch and Brueghel. As I was poring over the pictures, I was also reading
the annotated critical section in the back of the book where comments from
art critics could be perused.

There was one comment on The Marriage Feast at Cana that was just hilarious,
made by someone with the equally hilarious name of Phlange Murphy, who said
that Bosch's painting was "the psycho-sexual manifestation of the circumcision
ritual." This was, of course, the ... ahem ... "Freudian" interpretation. Lol

I just couldn't not remember that one!

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
24. This just doesn't "get" the thing about that rendering...but Bosch was certainly not Veronese...
Fri May 22, 2015, 07:40 PM
May 2015

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,580 posts)
25. What an amazing painting, my dear CTyankee!
Fri May 22, 2015, 07:45 PM
May 2015

Thank you for bringing it here for us, and for detailing its many features.

It's not only a great history of art lesson, but also a history lesson. I'm so glad the Nazis didn't run off with it.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,580 posts)
31. We did visit the Louvre, but I don't remember seeing it, alas.
Fri May 22, 2015, 08:38 PM
May 2015

Like all the other tourists, I made a beeline for the Mona Lisa!

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
42. The crowds around the Mona Lisa are always there and you have to wait your turn to
Sat May 23, 2015, 08:29 AM
May 2015

get closer to it, so it is probably a drawback to the Veronese...one gets tired of standing around. Plus, how can you possibly see the entire canvas without a ladder? And it's a complicated picture. Nobody can "take it in" without visiting it several times and getting photos of what you can't see. Even so, I had to use my magnifier to find the little obscurities that are always so much fun in these compositions...

Response to CTyankee (Original post)

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
33. Stunning, just stunning.
Fri May 22, 2015, 08:46 PM
May 2015

All is there. Everything.

My strongest impression is, as you put it, ".. Christ gazes out directly at the viewer -- part of the scene and yet apart from it."

In the world but not of it. To me, this is the meaning of real consciousness. There are no longer any attachments. The only suffering left is one's own intentional suffering.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
35. Automatic suffering being what we think of as
Fri May 22, 2015, 08:59 PM
May 2015

suffering due to our condition in the world - our misfortune, difficulties, our self-pity, our negative emotions. Our attachment to these things, and many, many others, causes us suffering.
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Intentional suffering being that which we accept, even cause, in our search to know ourselves, work on our inner growth, work on 'becoming,' gaining consciousness, to awaken. Working to help others.

To my mind, this was the suffering of Jesus.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
40. Yes, I can understand your interpretation here. It was what struck me as I saw his gaze.
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:10 AM
May 2015

His sense of being alone in the crowd, just quietly "there."

I was thinking of you when I looked more closely at the musicians. The instruments are such works of art all on their own. Yale School of Music often has concerts featuring the earlier period instruments and works written for them. Yale also combines the joint efforts of the School of Music and the Divinity School for some sacred music projects. I remember they did one on Hildegarde of Bingen, whose music survives today because she wrote it down (early form of notation though). I did a paper on her in my final Master's project. Nothing like living with a 12th century nun and her world for a period of your studies...LOL...

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
43. About all I can say about the instruments
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:15 AM
May 2015

is that they are viols, or gambas (would that be gambi?), or viola de gamba.. depending on semantics.

They all had frets and the earlier ones, 13th century or so, were played kind of on the lap-- like the 2 on the left. The later 15th and 16th century versions were usually played between the legs, like the one on the right.

I always find it interesting, the placing of older, historical events, or myths, in a modern context- such as what I have now learned about several paintings of this Biblical story - thanks to you. Or the many versions of the Martyrdom of St. Sebastion including Mishima's 'self-portrait,' ), etc.

It happens in music as well, with both historical events/stories AND older pieces being re-interpreted or re-done... just one example being Stravinsky's Pulcinella Suite. The tunes, and pretty much the chord progressions, are from Pergolesi and of course Pulcinella is the classic Neapolitan commedia dell'arte figure....

But, this painting is.. so monumental. It would take more than a lifetime to 'see' it all.
This also, along with the Rothkos I mentioned earlier, is one I could see hanging in my living room. Of course it wouldn't quite fit.


CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
44. gamba implies to me feminine so in Italian the plural would be gambe but I have
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:25 AM
May 2015

Last edited Sat May 23, 2015, 10:26 AM - Edit history (1)

never seen it written that way, always with the anglicized "s" to imply plural...but my Italian is rusty...

I love blending poetry with art so harmonizing painting and music was just endearing to me when I revisited this work to write an essay on it. Perhaps the artists in the work actually WERE accomplished musicians...who knows? It makes some sense in the context of the term "Renaissance man."

ON EDIT: my Italian really sucks...just realized that the plural of viola would be viole. The plural refers to the instrument, not the "gamba" which means leg in Italian.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
37. I found six dogs...see the itsy-bitsy one standing on the table to the right?
Sat May 23, 2015, 01:41 AM
May 2015

Another tiny dog is on the lap of who I assume might be the groom. And the one with his head stuck thru the balustrade up to the left, right below that man's head floating way out over the railing.

Judging from what all Veronese depicts in this massive painting, I think it could actually have been that cat who did the water-to-wine changing.

Thanks for sharing, CTyankee, very nice.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
39. I had to get out my magnifier to get that last one you mention! My eyes are getting
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:02 AM
May 2015

worse and worse! But I did see the tiny one (to me it looked like a cat) on the right.

The cat clawing the big wine jug is adorable...you may be right in your interpretation!

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
58. Oh yeah, it's on the shoulder of the little person in front, left table.
Sun May 24, 2015, 02:41 AM
May 2015

Can you see the white roses that I think were tossed by the leaning woman whose arm is stretched out, upper right? I saw that white thing sticking out on one of those fluted columns and had to get out my magnifying glass to see that it's flowers.

There's another falling directly below that one and the seated fellow dressed in yellow is bent backwards looking up at it, while the guys on either side of him are also gazing upward. Nothing is visible on the table, but I like to think that a third stem of roses must have plopped directly onto yellow-turban guy's plate, ha!

I wonder if he added those subtle symbols for Mary as an afterthought, once he realized how many (frowned-upon) critters he'd already painted on his picture. The roses do seem to be just stuck in there.

CTyankee, this is the sort of painting that I could crawl right into, especially now learning from you how incredibly big it actually is.

Thanks again!

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
59. Yes, the flowers are teeny but findable when Googling the picture's details
Sun May 24, 2015, 07:38 AM
May 2015

AND using a magnifier.

Veronese did get into a bit of trouble with one of his large canvases, originally a Last Supper. He had to face an Inquisitor and said essentially he painted what he saw as an artist, then changed the title (and subject, sort of) to Feast in the House of Levi. That seemed to be the end of it, primarily, I think, because Venice wasn't as hardassed as Florence which had Savonarola and other unpleasant people and events in the name of the true faith.

blogslut

(37,997 posts)
45. It looks like a theatrical production from a box stage.
Sat May 23, 2015, 11:34 AM
May 2015

The sky = the backdrops. The platforms = the balcony. Painted flats = the columns.

Jesus is upper/center stage. Not exactly the strongest position blocking-wise, that belongs to those two dogs. But the artist gives Christ a nice "focused spotlight".

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
46. I consulted an article by a Renaissance art writer Rembrandt Duits on the conspicuous
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:10 PM
May 2015

consumption noted in these lavish productions. Botticelli did one of a wedding feast in similar fashion (but earlier than Veronese).

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jmnzgv7gTWs/UzP76ki8rNI/AAAAAAAAEuY/HxDwPZqBEdo/s1600/1+Botticelli+Wedding+Feast.jpeg

blogslut

(37,997 posts)
47. Cool.
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:27 PM
May 2015

To further explain my previous comment, I'm not disparaging the grandeur displayed in the painting. When I say it looks like a theatrical production, I mean it literally looks like how such a scene would be set and staged were it to be presented in a box-stage (3-walled) theater - which is really interesting because that kind of stage didn't exist in the 1500's. It just struck me how much the painting looks like it could a theatrical production when the artist had no frame (ha!) of reference.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
49. Yes, I do get that and I agree. I think "theatrical" was just what Veronese had in mind...
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:03 PM
May 2015

in his own 17th century way...

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
53. LOL!
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:56 PM
May 2015

Thank you for the nice compliment...Maybe I'll ask Skinner for a little "elevation honorarium."

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
56. Fantastic post!
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:03 PM
May 2015

A welcome learning moment, and what a delightful break from negativity, squabbling, and cynicism.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
57. You know, the exercise in writing this stuff is great for me, now that I'm in retirement...
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:08 PM
May 2015

I always loved doing research and I find such new things in it. So trust me, it is a delight for me as well...

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