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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:04 PM May 2015

Sex abuse scandals rock far-right fundamentalism. The Duggars, Bill Gothard, Doug Phillips.

From Slate today:

Duggar Revelations Are Just the Latest Sex Abuse Scandal to Rock Far-Right Fundamentalism

The family's fame guarantees this story will stay in the public memory for a while, but it's far from the first sex abuse scandal in the tight-knit world of far-right fundamentalism. As I wrote last year for Slate, Doug Phillips of the far-right group Vision Forum was forced to step down after admitting to "a lengthy, inappropriate relationship with a woman." The woman in question, Lourdes Torres-Manteufel, claims it was more than "inappropriate," noting that they met when she was 15 and that he "methodically groomed" by moving her into the house as a nanny and becoming "the pastor of her church, her boss, her landlord, and the controller of all aspects of her life" before pushing for sex. The Duggars were tight with Phillips and Vision Forum, which promoted a lot of Duggar-related material.


Remember Bill Gothard?



Another hardcore fundamentalist leader who had a mentorship relationship with the Duggars, Bill Gothard, was also caught up in a sex abuse scandal last year. Gothard was the leader of Institute in Basic Life Principles, an organization that promotes the "quiverfull" philosophy—particularly its emphasis on forsaking contraception and having as many children as possible. Gothard resigned after more than 30 women accused him of sexual harassment and abuse. Prior to this, Wire reports, the Duggars were "devotees of Gothard's Advanced Training Institute seminars. Until recently, the Duggars' official website called Gothard's Embassy Institute (which he also founded) their '#1 recommended resource' for families (that page now displays as blank)."

Vision Forum, the Institute in Basic Life Principles, and the Duggar family are arguably the three most influential groups promoting the "Christian patriarchy" movement, which promotes homeschooling, wifely submission, extreme pre-martial chastity (no hand-hugging or kissing), no contraception, and the idea that women's only real role in life is as wives and mothers. Having all your major leadership eaten up by sex abuse scandals is no small thing. Even before the Duggar revelations, the head of Patrick Henry College, itself an extreme religious-right organization, was distancing himself from the Christian patriarchy movement. When even big-time fundamentalists are jumping ship, maybe it's time for TLC to consider cutting the Duggars loose.

Updated to add: TLC has pulled 19 Kids and Counting.


More about the Gothard influence. From 2012

Carefully scripted lives: My concerns about the Duggars

4. Bill Gothard and IBLP

The Duggars are big fans of Bill Gothard and are enrolled in his Institutes for Basic Life Principles. Outside of the circle of his followers, Bill Gothard is frequently regarded as a cult leader. He teaches, for instance, that troll dolls delay labor, that cabbage patch dolls are possessed by demons, and that Christians today must follow Old Testament sexual purity codes, including abstaining from sex the evening before weekly worship. Oh, and he teaches that tampons take girls’ virginity.

Until 2002 Gothard ran a group home for delinquent children in Indianapolis, Indiana. Children were sent there by the juvenile justice system for years until the place was closed down under allegations of abuse, including Gothard’s notorious “prayer closets.” There has been a growing movement among young people raised on Gothard’s teachings to expose the abuse, physical, emotional, and spiritual, they suffered at the hand of Gothard and his multiple ministries, including orphanages in places like Russia.

What bothers me most about the Duggars’ involvement with Gothard and IBLP is their use of his “re-education” camps (my term). When Josh Duggar was showing some signs of being “rebellious” years ago, they sent him to Gothard’s military boot camp for young men, the ALERT Academy. He returned much subdued. They’ve done the same with some of the girls, sending them to Gothard’s Journey to the Heart programs, where they are reminded of how wicked and sinful they are and told again and again that following God means obeying their earthly parents.


It bothered me to read at that link that the Duggars use "blanket training."

The Duggars have stated that they use blanket training. What they do is place a baby on a blanket and tell the baby not to get off. If the baby crawls off, he or she is spanked on the leg, told “no,” and placed back on the blanket. If you do this for long enough, the baby will learn to stay on the blanket, and then you can safely leave the baby there while you cook lunch or school the older ones. This all seems counter to the nature of a naturally curious baby.

Authoritarian discipline shuts off questions and leaves little room for children to explore. The emphasis on obedience overrides anything else, and as I’ve written before, this can be highly problematic.
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Sex abuse scandals rock far-right fundamentalism. The Duggars, Bill Gothard, Doug Phillips. (Original Post) madfloridian May 2015 OP
Josh Duggar and some of his sisters sent to Gothard's military type boot camp. madfloridian May 2015 #1
The most repressed religulous idiots always wind up hifiguy May 2015 #2
Here's an interesting read. "The Sneaky, Deadly Lies of the Duggar’s “Christianity” madfloridian May 2015 #23
"Blanket training" sounds suspiciously like xfundy May 2015 #3
Love Landover. madfloridian May 2015 #4
LOB was way ahead of it's time. Rex May 2015 #5
It's a shame they have stopped updating it. xfundy May 2015 #6
Totally agree, use to post there back when it was at it's peek. Rex May 2015 #7
I know one of the writers. xfundy May 2015 #9
And quite the looker. xfundy May 2015 #10
No didn't know any of the writers. Rex May 2015 #11
I have never seen that site. deathrind May 2015 #27
some of the Duggar kids will probably rebel. KittyWampus May 2015 #8
No doubt. And at least one of them is gay, statistically. xfundy May 2015 #12
Josh Duggar didn't rebel. EL34x4 May 2015 #17
"Little Soldiers in the Culture War" madfloridian May 2015 #13
That has a nice Hitler Youth sort of vibe. hifiguy May 2015 #24
I'm starting to realize sex abuse is part and parcel of far-right fundamentalism meow2u3 May 2015 #14
Where you find perverted religion you also find perverted sex. leftyladyfrommo May 2015 #19
You nailed it! nt meow2u3 May 2015 #20
Don't forget the RCC when discussing religion and sexual abuse. PeaceNikki May 2015 #15
Blanket training? What, you've never heard of a playpen? AndreaCG May 2015 #16
Blanket training seems sadistic to me. madfloridian May 2015 #18
My father was a HUGE Bill Gothard fan. Coventina May 2015 #21
Here's an interesting website. madfloridian May 2015 #22
Thanks so much for this. I really have often felt so isolated by my upbringing. Coventina May 2015 #25
Me too! xfundy May 2015 #28
Several times, plus the advanced seminar as well. Coventina May 2015 #29
Was it as helpful to you as it was to me? xfundy May 2015 #30
Oh man, it was one part of the rich tapestry that f-ed me up royally! Coventina May 2015 #31
Why can't they just raid some community and kidnap girls en masse for sex and subservience? NBachers May 2015 #26

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
1. Josh Duggar and some of his sisters sent to Gothard's military type boot camp.
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:17 PM
May 2015
What bothers me most about the Duggars’ involvement with Gothard and IBLP is their use of his “re-education” camps (my term). When Josh Duggar was showing some signs of being “rebellious” years ago, they sent him to Gothard’s military boot camp for young men, the ALERT Academy. He returned much subdued. They’ve done the same with some of the girls, sending them to Gothard’s Journey to the Heart programs, where they are reminded of how wicked and sinful they are and told again and again that following God means obeying their earthly parents.


That is disturbing to me.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
2. The most repressed religulous idiots always wind up
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:33 PM
May 2015

acting out in the most bizarre ways. In all probability because their loony-tune "churches" see all normal, consensual sexual expression as "sinful." Believe stupid shit and you wind up acting in stupid ways. Authoritarians are almost always the freakiest pervs.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
23. Here's an interesting read. "The Sneaky, Deadly Lies of the Duggar’s “Christianity”
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:59 PM
May 2015
For box-christians, everything must fit neatly in a box, and that box allows for “mistakes” within that system, mistakes that don’t threaten that system. The same is true with pastors and priests caught with their pants down, who are buttoned up and moved on, with no real concern for the children involved. The overriding interest is maintenance of the male-dominated, rules-based, church system.

Gays don’t fit that system. Non-acceptance of gays is not about God, or Jesus, or the Bible, by the way, not in the least, and don’t let anyone tell you it is. It is about the current system of power. And that power system must stand – no matter the cost.

Parents Jim Bob and Michelle said in a statement that God had worked this situation for good. I wonder if the abused girls feel the same way?

Of course, when the girls are young and caught up in that system, they will feel whatever they are told to feel, sublimating their authentic feelings because there is no place to bring them out – but if they are able to unpack their wounds outside of that fearful system, I wonder what they would say?


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/freedhearts/2015/05/23/the-sneaky-deadly-lies-of-the-duggars-christianity/?ref_widget=trending&ref_blog=irreverin&ref_post=what-about-the-girls-the-duggar-scandal-and-the-cost-of-fundamentalism
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. Totally agree, use to post there back when it was at it's peek.
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:43 PM
May 2015

Nothing funnier than reading all the e-mails by people that thought it was for real!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. No didn't know any of the writers.
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:55 PM
May 2015

Just posted there a few times. I can remember the tears rolling down my face at some of their satire.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
17. Josh Duggar didn't rebel.
Fri May 22, 2015, 11:59 PM
May 2015

He went and landed himself a highly-visible position at the Family Research Council, the whole time knowing this stuff was out there and could at some point become public. In fact, the whole family was well aware of Josh's transgressions long before they sought out fame and fortune on reality television.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
13. "Little Soldiers in the Culture War"
Fri May 22, 2015, 08:00 PM
May 2015

Gothard has pretty much been discredited, but reading about his philosophy will help you understand the Duggars lifestyle better.

From 1999. This school was based on Gothard's beliefs.

Little Soldiers in the Culture War

One of the lessons for today is obedience, and the first graders at the school inside the First Christian Church building in Fort Lauderdale sing about it quite obediently.

While the students at the Charter School of Excellence are divided fairly evenly between blacks and whites, they dress alike, with the boys in dark blue pants and green buttoned-up golf shirts and the girls wearing white blouses under plaid jumpers. All eyes are focused on their young and attractive teacher, Mrs. Blocker, who leads them in song:

Obedience is listening attentively,
Obedience will take instructions joyfully,
Obedience heeds wishes of authorities,
Obedience will follow orders instantly.
For when I am busy at my work or play,
And someone calls my name, I'll answer right away!
I'll be ready with a smile to go the extra mile
As soon as I can say "Yes, sir!" "Yes ma'am!"
Hup, two, three!

The ditty is capped off with a collective clap from all the happy children in the classroom. While singing songs about obedience and orderliness, they march in place, stand up straight, and occasionally salute in unison, giving the class a slightly militaristic feel. The little boys and girls, however unwittingly, are indeed in a war of sorts: They stand on the front lines of an ideological battle -- popularly known as the culture war -- for the souls of America's children.

The lesson the children are learning this morning in South Florida has nothing to do with math or science or history; it's about values, about morality, about set ways of how to conduct oneself in life. The curriculum is called "Character First!" and it says little kids should never complain or draw attention to themselves. The children are taught to forgive, to "turn the other cheek," and to "respond kindly to those who hurt me."

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
14. I'm starting to realize sex abuse is part and parcel of far-right fundamentalism
Fri May 22, 2015, 08:33 PM
May 2015

Either that, or it's a symptom of the deep-seated authoritarianism that permeates far-right fundamentalist twisting of religion. It doesn't matter whether it's the Quiverfull movement, Opus Dei, ultra-Orthodox Judaism, or Islamic fundamentalism; the so-called leaders all seem to use, condone, or even cover up sex abuse--all in God's name, or the name of their deity--as a tactic to enforce dominance and control of those they lord it over, all while presenting themselves in public as sexually pure and holier than thou.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
15. Don't forget the RCC when discussing religion and sexual abuse.
Fri May 22, 2015, 08:41 PM
May 2015

The number of victims, perpetrators and those who protect abusers is far higher than the few mentioned.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
16. Blanket training? What, you've never heard of a playpen?
Fri May 22, 2015, 11:30 PM
May 2015

Smacking an infant as training. Brilliant. So glad this gene pool is being reproduced en masse.

Coventina

(27,093 posts)
21. My father was a HUGE Bill Gothard fan.
Sat May 23, 2015, 11:46 AM
May 2015

I was forced to attend many of his seminars as a teenager.

Wow!

I wonder if my dad knows about this stuff?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
22. Here's an interesting website.
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:19 PM
May 2015

It's by some who grew up with Gothard's philosophies. It's called Recovering Grace.

There was an article there yesterday, very long, but with a familiar ring.

http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2015/05/gracenote/

In light of recent news events, we are republishing an older article on the danger and flaws of IBLP's teachings on counseling sexual abuse within families. Our hearts go out to all the families under Bill Gothard's influence who have suffered this tragic abuse. The teachings are horrific in both their blame of victims and lack of true help for young perpetrators.


The Duggars remained loyal to Gothard even after all the info came out and he was forced to resign from his institute.

Coventina

(27,093 posts)
25. Thanks so much for this. I really have often felt so isolated by my upbringing.
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:21 PM
May 2015

To see that there are others out there is....well, I can't say it makes me happy, but it is comforting and reassuring that I'm not crazy.

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
28. Me too!
Sun May 24, 2015, 12:41 PM
May 2015

My parents & church loved Gothard. Did you do the "Institute In Basic Youth Conflicts?" What a sideshow.

Coventina

(27,093 posts)
29. Several times, plus the advanced seminar as well.
Sun May 24, 2015, 04:37 PM
May 2015

Plus, family devotions run on Gothard's materials, etc.

I'm just thankful that we were too poor to afford more than that.
Otherwise, I probably would have been sent to one of their training camps.

*shudder*

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
30. Was it as helpful to you as it was to me?
Sun May 24, 2015, 07:30 PM
May 2015

Which is to say, UNhelpful and contributing to negative self image. I'm gay, and this didn't make life any easier.

Coventina

(27,093 posts)
31. Oh man, it was one part of the rich tapestry that f-ed me up royally!
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:40 PM
May 2015

That is to say, I was a dumb kid, and wanted to please my dad and I bought into it to a truly troubling degree.

The only thing that gave me a key out of it was all their nonsense about having more babies.
I had heard in my science classes (hooray public education!) that the world was severely over populated, but these guys were saying that the world was pretty much empty.

Proof? All of humanity standing shoulder to shoulder could fit into Jacksonville Florida.

Even in my dumb, brainwashed state I thought, "But, how much FARMLAND does it take to support each person?"



Just that one little irritant, that one bit of doubt....it eventually led me to question their whole house of cards.

Took me years, and I'm still deeply scarred....but I finally made my way out.

I hope you are on your own path to healing.
Gothardism is so little known, I often felt very alone on my journey.

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