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AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:47 PM May 2015

Neocons aren't just comfortable with Hillary, they are RELYING on Hillary

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/opinion/sunday/are-neocons-getting-ready-to-ally-with-hillary-clinton.html

The Next Act of the Neocons
Are Neocons Getting Ready to Ally With Hillary Clinton?

Even as they castigate Mr. Obama, the neocons may be preparing a more brazen feat: aligning themselves with Hillary Rodham Clinton and her nascent presidential campaign, in a bid to return to the driver’s seat of American foreign policy.


It’s not as outlandish as it may sound. Consider the historian Robert Kagan, the author of a recent, roundly praised article in The New Republic that amounted to a neo-neocon manifesto. He has not only avoided the vitriolic tone that has afflicted some of his intellectual brethren but also co-founded an influential bipartisan advisory group during Mrs. Clinton’s time at the State Department.


And the thing is, these neocons have a point. Mrs. Clinton voted for the Iraq war; supported sending arms to Syrian rebels; likened Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, to Adolf Hitler; wholeheartedly backs Israel; and stresses the importance of promoting democracy.



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/us/politics/historians-critique-of-obama-foreign-policy-is-brought-alive-by-events-in-iraq.html?_r=0

But Exhibit A for what Robert Kagan describes as his “mainstream” view of American force is his relationship with former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who remains the vessel into which many interventionists are pouring their hopes. Mr. Kagan pointed out that he had recently attended a dinner of foreign-policy experts at which Mrs. Clinton was the guest of honor, and that he had served on her bipartisan group of foreign-policy heavy hitters at the State Department, where his wife worked as her spokeswoman.




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Neocons aren't just comfortable with Hillary, they are RELYING on Hillary (Original Post) AZ Progressive May 2015 OP
It's a win win situation for them. Autumn May 2015 #1
Yep, they'll get all their awful policies and Democrats will take the blame. Scuba May 2015 #20
+1 daleanime May 2015 #27
They have a hell of a way of showing it. NuclearDem May 2015 #2
She pays attention to security briefings, she will make good decisions. Thinkingabout May 2015 #3
I am actually laughing out loud DURHAM D May 2015 #7
Once again, an article from one year ago showing that Kagan's the same ol neocon AZ Progressive May 2015 #11
Yes so Hillary's just suddenly changed her mind, and Robert Kagan, within the past year? Please.... AZ Progressive May 2015 #14
Just like she actually read the CIA Iraq WMD briefing before she stumped for invasion in the Senate? leveymg May 2015 #30
an opinion column from a year ago. not facts, just opinion OKNancy May 2015 #4
That doesn't mean that he's not a neo-con anymore AZ Progressive May 2015 #6
His opinion piece was for the purpose of selling his stupid book. DURHAM D May 2015 #8
Deflection attempt AZ Progressive May 2015 #12
Wasn't hard. nt DURHAM D May 2015 #13
Nor effective. (nt) Jackpine Radical May 2015 #26
A manifesto from Robert Kagan about one year ago AZ Progressive May 2015 #10
K&R Katashi_itto May 2015 #5
I smell book sales here. leftofcool May 2015 #9
The anti-hillary crowd is willing to sink to any level these days. MohRokTah May 2015 #15
Isn't it just easier to pretend that facts don't exist? AZ Progressive May 2015 #16
personally quickesst May 2015 #17
I just put 'em on ignore on sight any more. MohRokTah May 2015 #18
People who agree that Hillary Clinton is a Neocon AZ Progressive May 2015 #19
Victoria Nuland is channeling Cheney. Octafish May 2015 #28
k&R woo me with science May 2015 #21
End scene. GoneOffShore May 2015 #22
kick woo me with science May 2015 #23
Neocons/neoliberals. 99Forever May 2015 #24
If you take Hillary at her word, you are antiHillary. n/t betterdemsonly May 2015 #25
When was she ever disaligned with the Neocons? leveymg May 2015 #29

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. She pays attention to security briefings, she will make good decisions.
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:53 PM
May 2015

There are times you have to take a stand, in some cases it is better than turning and running. She will be doing the job she will be elected to do.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
7. I am actually laughing out loud
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:13 PM
May 2015

because it is an old article and the speculation by the neocon author is for the purpose of hyping his own stupid book. How sad.

The use of these right wing talking points/articles has lowered the collective IQ of both Freeperville (because they are spending all of their time here) and DU.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
30. Just like she actually read the CIA Iraq WMD briefing before she stumped for invasion in the Senate?
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:35 PM
May 2015

Sure, she always pays attention and makes good decisions . . . Black is White, War is Peace . . .

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
6. That doesn't mean that he's not a neo-con anymore
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:08 PM
May 2015
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/us/politics/historians-critique-of-obama-foreign-policy-is-brought-alive-by-events-in-iraq.html?_r=0

But Exhibit A for what Robert Kagan describes as his “mainstream” view of American force is his relationship with former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who remains the vessel into which many interventionists are pouring their hopes. Mr. Kagan pointed out that he had recently attended a dinner of foreign-policy experts at which Mrs. Clinton was the guest of honor, and that he had served on her bipartisan group of foreign-policy heavy hitters at the State Department, where his wife worked as her spokeswoman.


https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/review-essay/2008-06-01/present-re-creation

Over the past two decades, Kagan has emerged as the neoconservative movement's chief foreign policy theorist. The author of numerous opinion pieces and a signatory of manifestoes of the neoconservative organization the Project for the New American Century, he has also written serious books. Notable among them is the 2006 Dangerous Nation, the first volume of an ambitious two-part project that recasts the entire history of American statecraft as an affirmation of neoconservative ideals and aspirations

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
16. Isn't it just easier to pretend that facts don't exist?
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:35 PM
May 2015

That Hillary Clinton believes in what she pledges, that politicians aren't corrupt, that politicians won't dare say something just to get an intended result? You may like to be in your own world, but the real world is the real world, whether you like it or not. Please, grow up!

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
18. I just put 'em on ignore on sight any more.
Sat May 23, 2015, 08:13 PM
May 2015

There's no talking to the morons, so why even bother?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
28. Victoria Nuland is channeling Cheney.
Mon May 25, 2015, 12:43 PM
May 2015




Neocons and Liberals Together, Again

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security...

Tom Barry, last updated: February 02, 2005

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security strategy with a new public letter stating that the "U.S. military is too small for the responsibilities we are asking it to assume." Rather than reining in the imperial scope of U.S. national security strategy as set forth by the first Bush administration, PNAC and the letter's signatories call for increasing the size of America's global fighting machine.

SNIP...

Liberal Hawks Fly with the Neocons

The recent PNAC letter to Congress was not the first time that PNAC or its associated front groups, such as the Coalition for the Liberation of Iraq, have included hawkish Democrats.

Two PNAC letters in March 2003 played to those Democrats who believed that the invasion was justified at least as much by humanitarian concerns as it was by the purported presence of weapons of mass destruction. PNAC and the neocon camp had managed to translate their military agenda of preemptive and preventive strikes into national security policy. With the invasion underway, they sought to preempt those hardliners and military officials who opted for a quick exit strategy in Iraq. In their March 19th letter, PNAC stated that Washington should plan to stay in Iraq for the long haul: "Everyone-those who have joined the coalition, those who have stood aside, those who opposed military action, and, most of all, the Iraqi people and their neighbors-must understand that we are committed to the rebuilding of Iraq and will provide the necessary resources and will remain for as long as it takes."

Along with such neocon stalwarts as Robert Kagan, Bruce Jackson, Joshua Muravchik, James Woolsey, and Eliot Cohen, a half-dozen Democrats were among the 23 individuals who signed PNAC's first letter on post-war Iraq. Among the Democrats were Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution and a member of Clinton's National Security Council staff; Martin Indyk, Clinton's ambassador to Israel; Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute and Democratic Leadership Council; Dennis Ross, Clinton's top adviser on the Israel-Palestinian negotiations; and James Steinberg, Clinton's deputy national security adviser and head of foreign policy studies at Brookings. A second post-Iraq war letter by PNAC on March 28 called for broader international support for reconstruction, including the involvement of NATO, and brought together the same Democrats with the prominent addition of another Brookings' foreign policy scholar, Michael O'Hanlon.

CONTINUED...

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/articles/display/Neocons_and_Liberals_Together_Again



FTI: Victoria Nuland, our woman in Ukraine, is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan, whose brother is Frederick Kagan. Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan. Brilliant people, big ideas, and a lot of PNAC, which spells out the neocon/neolib approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to peace, justice, and democracy.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
29. When was she ever disaligned with the Neocons?
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:31 PM
May 2015

No need to recalibrate. She's a lifetime member. We can thank her for the leading the US into the infinite hell of Mideast engagement. Where ever Israel and the Saudis wanted to regime change or destabilize, she was there. The rise of ISIS and the collapse of what was left was the inevitable result.

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