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ashling

(25,771 posts)
Sun May 24, 2015, 05:23 PM May 2015

Constitutional horror: Clarence Thomas argues states can establish official religion - See more at:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/05/constitutional-horror-clarence-thomas-argues-states-can-establish-official-religion/



Thomas believes the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause does not apply to the states. The Establishment Clause is that part of the First Amendment that says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”
The Establishment Clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another, or none.
While Thomas believes that the Establishment Clause “probably” prohibits the federal government from establishing an official, national religion, he sees no problem with individual state establishing an official state religion.
In the recent, disastrous Supreme Court ruling that found Christian prayers used to open government meetings to be constitutional, Thomas went further than his other conservative colleagues in condoning sectarian prayers at government functions. In his dissenting opinion Thomas disputes the widely accepted notion that the First Amendment’s ban on the “establishment” of religion even applies to state and local governments.
- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/05/constitutional-horror-clarence-thomas-argues-states-can-establish-official-religion/#sthash.HxsAv8hH.dpuf



[font size = 2]State Churches? Justice Clarence Thomas Hears the Call[/font size = 2]

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/05/09/justice-clarence-thomas-and-the-church-of-virginia/


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Constitutional horror: Clarence Thomas argues states can establish official religion - See more at: (Original Post) ashling May 2015 OP
what an embarrassment this guy is.... dhill926 May 2015 #1
+1 daleanime May 2015 #2
'Incorporation' is a serious legal issue, elleng May 2015 #3
Yes, but it scares me that he "probably" thinks it applies to the federal level. Exilednight May 2015 #9
+1 sl8 May 2015 #29
This is why we must elect Democrats in 2016 Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #4
2012? shenmue May 2015 #27
Thanks. I edited it. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #35
Okey shenmue May 2015 #38
You can thank Joe Biden too BrotherIvan May 2015 #30
President George H. W. Bush apponted Thomas. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #36
I need to go change my shorts. That scares the shit out of me. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #5
What's it going to take Terra Alta May 2015 #6
I'm asking God to do the impeaching Demeter May 2015 #16
taliban thomas... spanone May 2015 #7
What an imbecile. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #8
cause that is working out so well in Iraq. OffWithTheirHeads May 2015 #10
Where did this fucker go to law school? tabasco May 2015 #11
Yale. nt BumRushDaShow May 2015 #21
I bet his interpretation would be entirely different ... surrealAmerican May 2015 #12
Or Islam. cstanleytech May 2015 #14
Or anything but fundie Christianity. SusanCalvin May 2015 #15
Good one! Paka May 2015 #19
Isn't there some way to can that bastard from SCOTUS? nt valerief May 2015 #13
Congress would have to impeach him... Bryce Butler May 2015 #18
Which has a snowballs chance in hell of happening seeing as the Republicans have majority control cstanleytech May 2015 #25
I'm going to put him on my Die Already list BrotherIvan May 2015 #31
So, when Mormanland attacks Baptistberg, then we'll have Clarence Thomas to thank. n/t Yavin4 May 2015 #17
Ok..... paleotn May 2015 #20
Good point! drm604 May 2015 #28
Of all the atrocities Poppy Bush inflicted on this land, Clarence Thomas is the worst jmowreader May 2015 #22
What did you expect? ashling May 2015 #23
Couple of things: no_hypocrisy May 2015 #24
What a fucking idiot shenmue May 2015 #26
He really needs to go back to shutting up. Solly Mack May 2015 #32
Thomas was ranked as one of the five worst SCOTUS justices in the history of the SCOTUS Gothmog May 2015 #33
What other parts of the constitution does he figure states can ignore? gollygee May 2015 #34
Tell Silent Thomas how Utah got in to the Union. Major Hogwash May 2015 #37

elleng

(130,740 posts)
3. 'Incorporation' is a serious legal issue,
Sun May 24, 2015, 05:39 PM
May 2015

has been for a long time, that is,

The incorporation of the Bill of Rights (or incorporation for short) is the process by which American courts have applied portions of the U.S. Bill of Rights to the states. Prior to 1925, the Bill of Rights was held only to apply to the federal government. Under the incorporation doctrine, most provisions of the Bill of Rights now also apply to the state and local governments.
Prior to the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment and the development of the incorporation doctrine, the Supreme Court in 1833 held in Barron v. Baltimore that the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal, but not any state governments. Even years after the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Supreme Court in United States v. Cruikshank (1876) still held that the First and Second Amendment did not apply to state governments. However, beginning in the 1920s, a series of United States Supreme Court decisions interpreted the Fourteenth Amendment to "incorporate" most portions of the Bill of Rights, making these portions, for the first time, enforceable against the state governments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

Thomas (and others) call themselves 'originalists,' so it's not really a surprise that he takes this position.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
4. This is why we must elect Democrats in 2016
Sun May 24, 2015, 05:41 PM
May 2015

Last edited Mon May 25, 2015, 01:51 AM - Edit history (1)

Republicans will apppont people like Thomas.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
36. President George H. W. Bush apponted Thomas.
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:54 AM
May 2015

I don't agree with Biden's decisions, bu he is not the one who appointed Thomas.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
16. I'm asking God to do the impeaching
Sun May 24, 2015, 08:01 PM
May 2015

since there is no appeal and no work-around. Unfortunately, I doubt that women get His ear very often, if ever.

surrealAmerican

(11,358 posts)
12. I bet his interpretation would be entirely different ...
Sun May 24, 2015, 05:54 PM
May 2015

... if his home state decided to establish Hinduism as its official religion.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
25. Which has a snowballs chance in hell of happening seeing as the Republicans have majority control
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:15 PM
May 2015

over the House and Senate.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
31. I'm going to put him on my Die Already list
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:45 PM
May 2015

He's pretty young, but you never know. If you're directly responsible for killing people, on the list you go. I may be going to hell, but hopefully he's going first.

paleotn

(17,884 posts)
20. Ok.....
Sun May 24, 2015, 08:11 PM
May 2015

Then the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to state and local govs either. State and local govs can restrict or outlaw private gun ownership. Can't have it both ways, Clarence.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
22. Of all the atrocities Poppy Bush inflicted on this land, Clarence Thomas is the worst
Sun May 24, 2015, 08:25 PM
May 2015

Bankrolling Manuel Noriega was nothing compared to Clarence Thomas.

no_hypocrisy

(46,026 posts)
24. Couple of things:
Sun May 24, 2015, 08:32 PM
May 2015

1. The Fourteenth Amendment applies the Constitution and its Amendments to the states. Constitutional Law 101 at any law school.

2. Virginia tried the state religion thing once and threw all the Baptists in jail. That's what got Jefferson excited about the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
34. What other parts of the constitution does he figure states can ignore?
Sun May 24, 2015, 11:02 PM
May 2015

Should states have the right to ignore the 2nd amendment as well?

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