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malaise

(268,910 posts)
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:18 PM May 2015

They’re all still lying about Iraq: The real story about the biggest blunder in American history —

Last edited Sun May 24, 2015, 09:53 PM - Edit history (1)

and the right wing’s obsessive need to cover it up
Conservatives are trapped in an outdated and delusional worldview. Rubio, Jeb and media sycophants make it worse

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/24/theyre_all_still_lying_about_iraq_the_real_story_about_the_biggest_blunder_in_american_history_and_the_right_wings_obsessive_need_to_cover_it_up/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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Republicans’ verbal gyrations over the Iraq War should not be dismissed as the usual rhetorical jabberwocky of an election season. Their stumblings and justifications provide an important window into a larger, crucial story. They reveal that Movement Conservatives remain rooted in a worldview that has been outdated for so long it is now delusional.

But Bush’s first answer was not an error. It revealed his continuing loyalty to a series of principles to which he actually put his name in 1997. With those principles, a group of elite white men set out to revive the Cold War world that had given men like them control of the rest of humanity. Those principles dictated the Iraq War, and — although they are completely obsolete — they still animate Movement Conservatives.


The road to Iraq began in 1989, with the fall of the Berlin Wall. That event marked the end of the Cold War, which had shaped an American generation. Until World War II, America had been just one of many nations jockeying for advantage in a multilateral world. Alliances had been made and broken, wars had been won and lost, and American leaders had shifted the nation’s weight to reflect current conditions around the world. World War II changed all that. America and the USSR emerged from that cataclysm as the world’s superpowers, locked into a Manichean battle for supremacy. For the next 44 years, fervent anti-communist warriors refused to recognize nuance or compromise in foreign affairs. They divided the world into white and black, good and bad, us and them.

When the USSR began to spin apart in 1989, the unraveling of the Cold War left these Movement Conservatives adrift. While many of them found their purpose by turning their attention to wiping the “communism” of social welfare legislation out of domestic life as it had been wiped out of the world community, others looked at the splintering of foreign affairs and despaired. No longer was America a superpower; it was again just one nation among many, unable to dictate the behavior of weaker nations.

The return to a multilateral world entailed a return to an awareness of complexity, in contrast to the simplistic divisions of the Cold War. President George H. W. Bush responded to this complexity by refusing to gloat as smaller nations left the USSR, then ended the Gulf War as soon as Iraqi forces had withdrawn from Kuwait, rather than pushing forward and taking control of Iraq itself. If President Bush’s prudence worried Movement Conservatives, they were horrified by what seemed to them the weakness and confusion of the Clinton years. America seemed impotent as Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, and Haiti shattered
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Very good read

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They’re all still lying about Iraq: The real story about the biggest blunder in American history — (Original Post) malaise May 2015 OP
Right, PNAC. elleng May 2015 #1
Yep malaise May 2015 #2
Remember how we said on DU that they would have to keep lying about it? Solly Mack May 2015 #3
Truth will out malaise May 2015 #8
They are also lying about Libya nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #4
Well you know my view malaise May 2015 #5
And in that I disagree nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #6
f'in right reddread May 2015 #10
kickety countryjake May 2015 #7
The GOP is trying to cover up this issue Gothmog May 2015 #9
"the vagaries of history" johnnyreb May 2015 #11
It wasn't a "blunder." WilliamPitt May 2015 #12
k&r... spanone May 2015 #13
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
4. They are also lying about Libya
Sun May 24, 2015, 11:01 PM
May 2015
About to start the first draft of what promises to be a long article on them famous emails.

It is not a scandal, perse, unless you consider PNAC and Mercs a scandal, which most Americans do not. It tells me far more about the continuity of foreign policy from one administration to the other, and the failure of the Global War On Terror than most of my fellow DU'ers will like to even consider.

And that was a long two days of notes, time line creation and the rest of the crap needed for complicated stories.

malaise

(268,910 posts)
5. Well you know my view
Sun May 24, 2015, 11:07 PM
May 2015

All American Presidents are hawks - there is executive and legislative commitment to US dominance of the planet - that said, despite the offensive drone policy. Libya etc., Obama is less of a warmonger than Bushco.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
6. And in that I disagree
Sun May 24, 2015, 11:09 PM
May 2015

they are just as bad, Empire has it's logic, and it is independent of Party.

Ah the blowback... though will be painful. And the end of Empire will come. When it does... and it will, in my lifetime.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
10. f'in right
Mon May 25, 2015, 09:02 AM
May 2015

To pin US foreign policy on a figurehead is just so much worse than naive.
In 1999, when I last saw a friend who had been in the USAF for some time
told me there was no two ways we werent going deeply into the middle east,
simply because of the logistical ground being laid by troop and material movements
in that direction, he was clearly right.

All the excuses made subsequently were of little matter to what the intentions were,
except perhaps in light of the domestic strategery that Pearl Harbor wishes were made for.

Surprising that given so much military migration to the Democratic Party since Iraq and Afghanistan
we arent a little more realistic in retrospect.

those deadly psychops still prevail widely.

johnnyreb

(915 posts)
11. "the vagaries of history"
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:52 AM
May 2015
va·gar·y .... an unexpected and inexplicable change in a situation or in someone's behavior.

The "vagaries of history aligned" only after they actively plotted to "implement a strategic vision that would 'shape a new century'" and "attempt to recreate a bifurcated world".

their supremacy was not because of their extraordinary worth but because the vagaries of history aligned, very briefly, to make men like them supreme.

song:
PNAC_newamericancentury_64kb.mp3
 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
12. It wasn't a "blunder."
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:56 AM
May 2015

It was a deliberate and long-planned smash-and-grab robbery writ large.

Period. End of file.

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