Senator Sanders seems to be a fan of the Pope.

[onehandle]

This is the second image of Pope Francis he has posted to his Facebook feed in 36 hours.

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https://www.facebook.com/senatorsanders/photos/a.91485152907.84764.9124187907/10153292980087908

[cantbeserious]

1. The Pope Speaks Truthfully

eom

[Gman]

2. Well, Sanders' appeal on DU was very short lived.

Too bad. I guess that just leaves Hillary.

[eloydude]

3. If you know Bernie, he is the most irreligious person you'd know...

And religion is a very low priority for him. If Pope Francis have said something that would resonate with a lot of people, then respect is earned, and Bernie just delivered his respect to the Pope.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

32. It was in reference to what the Pope was saying

I don't think he was projecting Catholicism

[Warren DeMontague]

11. Hillary "The Bible is my most inspirational book" Clinton?

At least one can say with relative assurance that any pope pictures tweeted by Sanders weren't done as a cheesy move to appeal to "values voters".

[orpupilofnature57]

37. +1000 !!!!

[sabrina 1]

17. Lol, that is the funniest comment I've seen on DU for a while!

[840high]

69. You obviously don't know much about him.

[RobertEarl]

4. Is bush a fan of the Clintons?

Is kissinger a fan of the Clintons?

Yep, it sure seems that way.

My gawd, I can hardly believe the Bernie bashing some here are so fond of posting.

I guess that means many of you feel Bernie is a real threat to the status quo? Good, You are so right.

[orpupilofnature57]

40. Desperate isn't it, it's not his fault, that's why they have to,

hunt for a fault, a reason to overcome reason.

[RobertEarl]

44. It's weird

Some will say that if Bernie looks upon the pope with kindness, that would be a reason to not vote for Bernie. Like the pope is worse than a bush or kissinger?

[orpupilofnature57]

57. Some are blind to the fact, and having blinders on now is dangerous .

[Bluenorthwest]

5. That will cost him my vote very swiftly. That clown in the photo hosted the Family Research Council

at his anti marriage equality conference in November. Tony Perkins himself invited, Francis the key note bigot. I refuse to do this again, if Bernie wants to use religion in his politics he is no different from the rest. Promoting anti gay and anti choice political activists is fucked up, Bernie. Really fucked up.

http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/


I won't be associated with this shit. No fucking way.

[LWolf]

8. Good to know.

Thinking that job prospects for young people and the care of our elderly are priorities? BAD. WRONG. Wrong enough to cost Sanders your vote.

Check.

Because agreeing with what someone says is the same thing as supporting the entire organization they work for.

[cali]

12. Anyone who feels that they can't vote for Bernie because he admire's the Pope's

position on economic injustice, sure can't vote for HRC if they're even a tiny bit intellectually honest.

See my post #9 for the reasons why.

[LWolf]

13. Of course.

If there were any logic involved.

[sabrina 1]

19. Not to mention that Bernie was standing up for Gay Marriage long before the other candidate had

'evolved' on the issue.

Sometimes all you can do is wonder ....

Go Bernie!!

[cali]

9. How about Hillary's involvement with The Fellowship, aka The Family?

She was involved with them for years. How about her support for DOMA. She didn't have to say anything but she was vocally supportive of that shit. And Bernie? He voted against it. Hillary only became pro-marriage equality recently- and quite a bit after the majority of dems were pro-marriage equality. Bernie has shown leadership in the fight for LGBT civil rights. Hillary? Not so much.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

There is a secretive group known as “The Fellowship,” or “The Family,” one of the most powerful, well-connected Christian fundamentalist movements in the United States. The Fellowship’s membership includes congressmen, corporate leaders, generals and foreign heads of state.

The Fellowship is anti-labor, anti-gay, and pro-life. It is also anti-communist, but not necessarily a firm believer in democracy. Rather, it favors a totalitarianism for Christ, a sort of Christian theocracy. In foreign policy, it promotes a “soft” U.S. expansionism.

Is the Fellowship a cult, cabal, or a right-wing conspiracy? Whatever it is, we should be concerned that a secretive, privately funded group — without public scrutiny — is profoundly influencing U.S. domestic and foreign policy.

<snip>

http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpress/1505/the-fellowship-a-secretive-christian-fundementalist-organization/


Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics
For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics




Shedding Needed Light

Jeff Sharlet’s publications are the primary source of this article. Sharlet is a an author and journalist, who went undercover at Ivanwald, the Fellowship’s unofficial headquarters in Arlington, Virginia. His experience there plus interviews with insiders and research resulted in articles in Harper’s, Mother Jones, and Salon, and a New York Times bestselling book, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power. Recently, he was interviewed on NPR’s Fresh Air.

<snip>

http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpress/1505/the-fellowship-a-secretive-christian-fundementalist-organization/

So how could you possibly vote for HRC, if this will cost Bernie your vote? He posted a quote about inequality from the Pope. She was closely involved with this hateful crew for 15 years. Curious as to how you'll justify this.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. And where exactly did I even mention Hillary Clinton? I did not.

So what are you on about? Why should I need to justify anything to you, much less justify the fantasia of rhetoric you just puked forth. Who mentioned Hillary? You mentioned Hillary.
When the Pope's political activism against LGBT is mentioned, his fans like to drag in unrelated material and talk about that. Nothing new in that tactic at all.

Care to address what's in that link?
It's about the Pope and his conference with FRC and NOM and how they all united to stop my family from existing. If Bernie thinks that's insignificant, he is simply incorrect.

[cali]

23. Just pointing out that if you adhere to the standard you're applying to Bernie

you won't be able to vote for any dem nominee. I disagree completely with the Pope on LGBT issues, on women's issues and on abortion. I agree with him on economic issues and the environment. Sorry, not a fan of the Pope's or someone who hate's him with a passion.

I find your fury rather interesting.

So clearly you can't vote for any dem running for the nomination, right?

[Doctor_J]

61. You said you can't vote for Bernie. Who then?

[cali]

15. More:

The Fellowship, through Representative Joe Pitts (R.-Pa.), redirected millions in US aid to Uganda from sex education programs to abstinence programs, thereby causing an evangelical revival, which included condom burnings.

In a November 2009 NPR interview, Sharlet alleged that Ugandan Fellowship associates David Bahati and Nsaba Buturo were behind the recent proposed bill in Uganda that called for the death penalty for gays.[81] Bahati cited a conversation with Fellowship members in 2008 as having inspired the legislation.[82]

Sharlet reveals that David Bahati, the Uganda legislator backing the bill, reportedly first floated the idea of executing gays during The Family's Uganda National Prayer Breakfast in 2008.[83] Sharlet described Bahati as a "rising star" in the Fellowship who has attended the National Prayer Breakfast in the United States and, until the news over the gay execution law broke, was scheduled to attend the 2010 U.S. National Prayer Breakfast.[83]

Fellowship member Bob Hunter gave an interview to NPR in December 2009 in which he acknowledged Bahati's connection but argued that no American associates support the bill.[84]

<snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_%28Christian_organization%29#The_Fellowship_and_Uganda

[Bluenorthwest]

22. I did not even mention Hillary Clinton, yet that's all you have to say. Clearly that link I posted

was too much to cope with. People need to wise up about this Pope, and they need to do it swiftly. Read the link, it's not about Hillary, it's about the Pope, Tony Perkins, NOM, Gerhardt Muller, Maggie Gallagher and that whole unified lot of activists. Bernie should not be associating himself with that.

[cali]

25. lol. your truthiness is noted. Bernie is not associating himself with that.

Did he attend? No, of course not. Did he align himself in any way with the Pope on LGBT issues? No, far from it.

I do admire your evasiveness about HRC though. I'll remind you.

[treestar]

49. It takes that little?

He's just quoting one thing the Pope said, not asking the Pope to speak at his inauguration.

You can support almost nobody with that sensitive a radar.

[BrotherIvan]

55. I agree with you

I support Sanders but I think Sanders should tell his staff to knock it off. No good can come of siding with this person who hates LGBT folks and women. He needs to clean up his own house first.

[PowerToThePeople]

6. with some it is all about the messenger

with others it is the message.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

7. Exactly. nt

[arcane1]

27. As Kahless said, "perhaps the words are more important than the man"

[hootinholler]

10. The reality is

That Bernie knows that a lot of people will listen to the pope. When the Pope makes a statement that resonates with Bernie's goals, why shouldn't he publicize that? It would be foolish not to.

That said, what would an acceptable rate of pope memes be? One per month? How about the Dali Lama? Would those be acceptable to you?

Further, what is the average posting velocity of a laden meme?

[HockeyMom]

14. Bernie is Jewish and didn't spent 12 years in Catholic School

What he says about about the current Pope is irrelevant to some of us.

[sabrina 1]

21. What does that have to do with anything? I know lots of people who spent

years in Catholic school and are among the most Liberal AND educated people I know.

I know lots of people who spent years in Public School who are also very Liberal and extremely well education.

Then I know people who experience both systems of education and are the opposite.

Not seeing why one person's experience with anything has any relevance to much other than their own personal experiences.

[cwydro]

18. This reminds me of that other OP today - the one about Limbaugh

opposing TPP.

New trend on DU or what?

[Cha]

65. If President Obama is for it.. then he's against. No big riddle there.

[cwydro]

67. I know, I got that Cha...

Just laughing that this latest OP is using the same tactic.

[woo me with science]

20. See post 6. Another manipulative OP trying to cast doubt on Bernie. It's certainly a pattern.

Another manipulative attempt at guilt by association. Another reason people are lining up behind Bernie Sanders, the honest and non-manipulative candidate.

It's about the message, of course:

[leftofcool]

28. Sorry, Democrats don't line up behind non-Democrats

Bernie is NOT a Democrat. Ask him. He said so!

[cali]

34. Uh, Logic may not be your strong point. Just who do you think

elects him year after year? Do you grasp that the VT Dem committee that supports him, is made up of Dems? And the DNC?

[arcane1]

35. Party before Principle. A winning combination for sure

[Art_from_Ark]

60. Meine Partei-- recht oder schlecht!

[woo me with science]

38. Bernie is more of a Democrat than any corporate puppet in a Democrat costume.

The policy agenda makes that clear. Also...honest representatives don't look for sheep who submissively "line up." That's the language and the MO of corporate authoritarians.

People are drawn to support Bernie because he represents their values and policy goals. He stands for what Democrats used to stand for before filthy corporate money purchased our candidates and policy.

Corporatists are spending a lot of money on empty talking points like yours that attempt to substitute labels for policy. The irony is that they only drive home, by contrast, which candidate is focusing on actual policy for the people rather than these manipulative games.

[Humanist_Activist]

24. Bernie is a pragmatist and he's showing he likes the quote, the Pope is still a...

homophobic bigot.

[leftofcool]

26. Maybe Bernie doesn't have any quotes of his own so he has to quote the Pope?

[arcane1]

29. Facebook is flooded with Sanders quotes.

His page too

[cali]

30. He uses his own words all the time. Perhaps you were unaware that

people use quotes sometimes to reflect a position they hold or a belief? Perhaps Bernie is trying to point out that his supposedly radical, socialist left-wing economic views are shared by the mostly widely known religious figure in the world?

Hey, what do you think of Hillary's 15 year close relationship with the bigoted hateful group The Fellowship?

[arcane1]

31. You know what else people do?

They invent stupid reasons to criticize liberal candidates

[cali]

36. yes, but it's so spectacularly stupid.

the OP, I'd bet, would say that this isn't an anti-Bernie post, but sure it is. And considering the candidate the OP is supporting and her long association with The Fellowship- a real association and relationship, not the bogus one that some are trying to create between Bernie and Pope Francis, the unintentional irony is thick.

[cali]

42. Anyone who thinks that his posting of a couple of quotes from the Pope on

economic issues, supersedes his record of staunch support for LGBT rights- far stauncher than HRC's, is hopeless. And their sincerity should be questioned.

[TM99]

58. But Cali, didn't you get the message?

Sanders is not as big a supporter as HRC because she gave money to a national LGBT organization and he didn't.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

33. Why?

[99Forever]

39. Oh noez!!!

Now Senator Sanders will be called a decent human being by agreeing with that guy.

What's next, quoting Gandhi?


Will the evil never stop?

[PeaceNikki]

41. That's a shame.

[cali]

43. but not even close to being the shame that your candidate's 15 year association

with the bigoted right wing The Fellowship is. 15 years. And their bigotry toward LGBT folks is worse.

Bernie posted a couple of quotes from the Pope on economic justice.

Hillary? Close relationship for 15 years with right wing fundamentalist anti-LGBT group.

[PeaceNikki]

45. "MY" candidate? Lol

Weird.

Also, I didn't realize this was a Hillary thread.

[cali]

46. I thought you said you support HRC. Was I wrong? If so I apologize.

Why is HRC being brought up? It's called context. If Bernie is going to be slammed for posting a quote from the Pope on economic justice, the context is that his opponent in this primary, who is supported by those criticizing Sanders for this, is far, far more guilty by associating with an anti-LGBT, anti-choice, right wing fundy religious group.

[PeaceNikki]

47. Um... "That's a shame." is a "slam"? Get a grip.

[cali]

48. LOL. I wasn't actually referring to your sanctimonious little comment, but to more

virulent comments up thread.

And, I'm sure you agree that Hillary's close relationship with the Fellowship is a shame too. And was I wrong? Do you support HRC for the nomination?

[PeaceNikki]

50. I repeat, "get a grip". Go fight with someone else, I'm not interested.

kthxbai

[cali]

51. I'm not fighting, just pointing out cognitive dissonance.

You seem to be the one who's hot under the collar.

[PeaceNikki]

53. Sure, I'm the one who called you sanctimonious and accused you of cognitive dissonance

Clearly, *I'm* hot under the collar.

Oh, wait....

Grip. Get one.

[cali]

59. oh, because "get a grip" isn't an unpleasant response.

As I said, cognitive dissonance, nikki.

[BrotherIvan]

54. I agree

And I support Sanders. I want all religion OUT of politics FOREVER. I assume this is a staffer and not Sanders personally, but I checked his facebook and there are two pope photos. They may be saying the same thing, but they represent VERY different things.

[PeaceNikki]

56. I support Sanders and I support Clinton. I'm a yellow dog Democrat.

And I share your dislike for bringing religion into politics... Ever. By anyone. Especially by invoking a few cool words spoken by the leader of a hugely powerful organization which works hard to restrict the rights of many of us. And an organization which has a rich and deep history of harboring, protecting, and developing those who sexually abuse children.

[Art_from_Ark]

62. Would you agree with the quotes

if they didn't have Pope Francis' name attached to them?

[PeaceNikki]

63. I can find examples of people who aren't protectors of child rapists and

those who don't fight against my human rights to make points.

If he posted a lovely looking meme of Rush Limbaugh during a momentarily moment of lucidity we'd be appalled if Bernie shared that.

That's how I feel. Fuck the pope.

[cali]

64. in this race? who? it's either Hillary with her cozy 15 year relationship with a fundy hate group

or Bernie who posted a quote on economic justice from the pope.

[Art_from_Ark]

66. If Limbaugh said something that actually supported a position of mine,

I might use it, with a disclaimer-- "Even a broken clock can be right once in a while"

[PeaceNikki]

68. Neat.

[pangaia]

52. OMG ! An image of.. the POOP, as Inspector Clouseau might have said.

Did you even read the quote?