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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:53 PM May 2012

I apologize. I might have snickered in 1965

I don't remember, being so young. Not snickered for something like Romney did....but just toward those in the GLBT community who appeared to be different.

We didn't know back then. We didn't understand. Humanity hadn't evolved back then.

But, never, never, ever, would I have done something like he did, acted with overt cruelty toward another
human being, no matter how different they were than I.

If this doesn't get us to fight for Obama's reelection, nothing will.

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I apologize. I might have snickered in 1965 (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 OP
Yes, This has given me an occasion to think of people that I wasn't nice to, because of my issues. vt_native May 2012 #1
It may not feel like it now....but this actually will end up being a wonderful Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #3
I think many of us might have snickered The Velveteen Ocelot May 2012 #2
So true VO !! Well put. I am not a guy...so I have no idea if guys would remember doing Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #5
Protesters should start Politicalboi May 2012 #4
Gee, look at YOU. You didn't even attack that guy and chop off his hair, and you're...APOLOGIZING! MADem May 2012 #6
The guy is clueless, and a real jerk???? Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #9
He did this kind of shit in COLLEGE, too. MADem May 2012 #10
college, Really? I need to research that. I think he's an anal retentive. I know Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #12
Here, let me help (heh, heh!) MADem May 2012 #17
yeah what a prankster maddezmom May 2012 #18
Ugh..just spent the weekend with Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #20
You have my sympathies. At least you landed a point--even small victories count. nt MADem May 2012 #22
Drip...drip...drip... GoCubsGo May 2012 #23
Many of us....myself included jaysunb May 2012 #7
Hell, in 1985, I was pretty homophobic customerserviceguy May 2012 #8
It strikes me as so much bigger than the election. Not to sound too pie-in-the-sky-y. To me, Laura PourMeADrink May 2012 #11
Kids do cruel, stupid things customerserviceguy May 2012 #13
You're putting a very young child being fed dog meat on the same level lunatica May 2012 #14
bzzt. gigantic fail cali May 2012 #16
It was never right for kids to pick on other kids customerserviceguy May 2012 #21
We did know back then. We knew it was wrong to pick on other kids cali May 2012 #15
You know what? 1965 wasn't that damn long ago. Chorophyll May 2012 #19
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
3. It may not feel like it now....but this actually will end up being a wonderful
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:02 PM
May 2012

week. The first President speaking out. And his opposition showing what
the antithesis of what Obama is.

It's ending up being a classic good vs. evil...which will grow awareness and
acceptance even more toward the day when it is not even a discussion topic.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
2. I think many of us might have snickered
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:59 PM
May 2012

and said some snide things, being kids and not knowing any better. That's not to say being snide and snarky toward the "different" kids (not just the gay ones - the fat ones, the nerdy ones, the too-smart ones, the kids with thick glasses or shabby clothes, the special ed kids - all the kids who weren't cute and clever and popular) was OK; it wasn't. But to have committed an act of assault as Mittens did would have been unthinkable. And to claim to not even remember having done it is completely unbelievable.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
5. So true VO !! Well put. I am not a guy...so I have no idea if guys would remember doing
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:09 PM
May 2012

something like Romney did. It strikes me that if I was one, and I didn't remember, then that would mean I had done so much hating and bullying that it was a blur. If it was an anomaly, then I would remember. So, the guy's a liar or a serial bully

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
4. Protesters should start
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:05 PM
May 2012

Making signs with the guys name and picture so everyone will know what Rmoney did. Dead men do tell tales, and maybe his victim would like this story told. And let's not forget Seamus. Let's speak for both who cannot speak now.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
6. Gee, look at YOU. You didn't even attack that guy and chop off his hair, and you're...APOLOGIZING!
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:16 PM
May 2012

Mitt couldn't even manage to do that, and he did attack that kid.

He did a non-apology apology, the "If I offended anyone" routine, and snickered and laughed nervously on Faux News. He is annoyed that people are talking about this, he's not at all contrite about his behavior, though.

The guy is clueless, and a real jerk.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
9. The guy is clueless, and a real jerk????
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:31 PM
May 2012

Abso-fucking-lutely


What is it about human nature....when someone does something so shitty
that you think of anything that might be related and slightly shitty
to apologize?

Totally ignoring the election...this whole thing just reaffirms my belief
that this guy is fucked up.

And before, it wasn't because of putting Seamus up on the roof, it
was the unnatural authoritarianism he exhibited toward his children
on this trip. His son said, in the article in February 2012, Vanity
Fair, that his dad had the trip from Boston to Toronto (I believe)
mapped out to a tee. He spoke to his sons and told them they
would be stopping for gas at X and Y and that would be it. There
would be no exceptions.

My dad didn't want to stop either...but he never, ever mandated that
there would absolutely positively no exceptions.

The guy's a nutcase.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. He did this kind of shit in COLLEGE, too.
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:39 PM
May 2012

He's a very weird person....and weird in a "not good" way.

Bet Ann Romney wishes she never touted this bozo's "wild" side.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
12. college, Really? I need to research that. I think he's an anal retentive. I know
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:00 PM
May 2012

one and he's got the exact same characteristics. Very overly defensive, and his
body and voice get stiff and stilted when challenged.

There is no way he will win. They are probably all meeting as we speak (write). I
believe their sole focus will be damage control and picking up house and
senate seats. O needs to speak out every chance and connect legislative
candidates to this nut case.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. Here, let me help (heh, heh!)
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:02 AM
May 2012
Mr. Romney apparently kept his haircutting habit in college. A story published in the Washington Post last month detailed a different incident from his time at Stanford where he and a group of friends “lured rival University of California students into a trap in which his buddies ‘shaved their heads and painted them red’,”

http://www.politicker.com/2012/05/mitt-romneys-history-of-haircut-bullying/

He also thought KKK-ish Home Invasions were a real scream!
http://www.politicker.com/2012/04/mitt-romneys-strange-sense-of-humor/

According to a story in today’s Washington Post, Mitt Romney’s close friends believe the Republican presidential candidate is a “barrel of laughs” and can’t understand why he’s not showing this aspect of his personality on the campaign trail. To illustrate Mr. Romney’s lighter side, the Post presented tales several of his past pranks including a strange hazing incident where Mr. Romney and his college buddies forcibly shaved students of a rival school and a time he terrified a friend with a fake home invasion.

Mr. Romney’s shaving incident, which his father, former Michigan Governor George Romney revealed in a 1970 speech, occurred while he was a student at Stanford. The elder Mr. Romney said Mitt and his friends lured students from the University of California into a trap where they “shaved their heads and painted them red.”

George Keele, who served as a Mormon missionary in France with Mr. Romney in the 1960′s, described the home invasion prank to the Post:

“One night in Bayonne, in southern France, Keele answered a knock on the door and saw two men, their faces hidden by sheets, ordering him in French to put his hands behind his back, turn around and not utter a word. Keele fled out the back door only to hear Romney, his mask removed, laughing uproariously in the house.”


The guy is what most would call a sick fucker...!
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
20. Ugh..just spent the weekend with
Sun May 13, 2012, 09:17 PM
May 2012

my wingnut in-laws. They think it's just horrible to dredge this up
said it was just boys being boys.

Said Obama bullied fat girls. Said it was in his book. I read his book
and don't remember any story like that.

I said, "it's pretty weak, when all you can do when someone
does something wrong, is to bring up other examples of other
people doing something wrong." That kind of quieted them

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
23. Drip...drip...drip...
Sun May 13, 2012, 11:26 PM
May 2012

Boy, these kinds of stories keep coming. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there are enough of them to write a book by the time November rolls around.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
7. Many of us....myself included
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:23 PM
May 2012

would have laughed or been indifferent. For me I'd like to think I've completely evolved from my late 50's and early 60's thinking.
btw , Fortunately, the obviously gay boys at my school were very likely to kick your ass just like any other kid.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
8. Hell, in 1985, I was pretty homophobic
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:29 PM
May 2012

Glad I figured out how to outgrow it.

This incident and its recounting are just an opportunity for Romney to express that he's changed. Even the President has described his position on marriage equality as having evolved. I don't see where we profit from this.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. It strikes me as so much bigger than the election. Not to sound too pie-in-the-sky-y. To me,
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:48 PM
May 2012

it's not as much about his homophobia, which you can evolve from...it's about his
cruelty to others.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
13. Kids do cruel, stupid things
Fri May 11, 2012, 07:19 AM
May 2012

The macho ethic of 1965 affected a lot of us in that day. That was pre-"Women's Lib" as they called it in the early 1970's. It was considered acceptable for boys to get in fights, and even to gang up on someone who was 'different'.

There's an awful lot more that Mitt Romney has said since he tried to convince the reich-wingers that he's one of them that I find telling about who he is today. This is about as relevant as a young Barack Obama eating dog meat.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
14. You're putting a very young child being fed dog meat on the same level
Fri May 11, 2012, 07:27 AM
May 2012

as a High School student leading a gang to bully one person?

Were you ever bullied? I'm guessing maybe not.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. bzzt. gigantic fail
Fri May 11, 2012, 07:46 AM
May 2012

granted I'm female but no it wasn't acceptable to pick on other kids.

It's relevant alright.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
21. It was never right for kids to pick on other kids
Sun May 13, 2012, 10:34 PM
May 2012

But the schools and society didn't care that much about bullying before Columbine.

Like I said, there's plenty more about the things that Romney does and says in the present day than anything he ever did back in high school.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
19. You know what? 1965 wasn't that damn long ago.
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:11 AM
May 2012

Humanity was every bit as "evolved" then as it is now. There have always been people who don't quite fit in (gay or straight) and there have always been people who bullied them. And it has always been WRONG, and anyone with a brain and a conscience knows that now and knew it then.

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