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Scout

(8,624 posts)
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:23 PM May 2012

my husband just lost his job this week ... after 18 years with this company. downsized.

position eliminated. we just lost somewhat over half our income. i am so damn angry (NOT at my husband of course). and there's nothing to do with the anger. of course can't do anything illegal or stupid anyway, but shit. he's supposed to get 8 weeks severance and then unemployment, and that might get us by but it will be tight. then what? the industry he's in is downsizing all around.

they deny it was a factor, but he shouldn't have told them he was going out for a medical to get his hip replaced in July. in hindsight now of course. hmmm, he's the only man in his department, was that a factor?

i was out of work from 2004 through mid-2006, and we are still recovering from that financially. we went into a debt management program with GreenPath. we have 18 months of that left and are paying about $1100 a month. we've haven't been incurring more debt, and just keeping up with everything else and managed to save a little.

we've been getting by with one car for 6 months because we can't afford to fix the other, and the dryer is broken. if we fix the dryer and the car while we have a little money, then if we HAVE to we can sell them later.

i know, i have it better than a lot of people and i am grateful for the good things i have like my family and my husband and, for now anyway, a home and my job.

just feeling very angry and frustrated right now.

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my husband just lost his job this week ... after 18 years with this company. downsized. (Original Post) Scout May 2012 OP
Scout... ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #1
i am so sorry samnsara May 2012 #2
thank you Scout May 2012 #3
No words can ease the frustration, but do know that many of us feel your pain. sad sally May 2012 #11
Actually, he can't collect unemployment nobodyspecial May 2012 #22
thanks Scout May 2012 #27
Oh, I'm sorry if my post made it sound like you/your husband personally would lie nobodyspecial May 2012 #34
more good advice, thank you. i appreciate it. Scout May 2012 #35
Just gotta buckle down and keep moving forward. ellisonz May 2012 #4
I'm very sorry. MarianJack May 2012 #5
my hubby was laid off after working for the company for over twenty-five years newspeak May 2012 #38
i feel your pain Scout May 2012 #42
More than we realize, I think. It didn't happen to me, but I saw a woman get fired from a long-term HiPointDem May 2012 #46
I'm going to be 57 next month. MarianJack May 2012 #47
I understand SteveG May 2012 #6
I'm so sorry you're going... one_voice May 2012 #7
"just feeling very angry and frustrated right now." unkachuck May 2012 #8
I'm sorry, it's hard. And also, I fear your husband was right about the health news. I'm sure that's freshwest May 2012 #9
we are going to get the surgery. Scout May 2012 #13
You're welcome. Give the man a hug from us at DU. freshwest May 2012 #19
I agree. My friend had a medical emergency... Phentex May 2012 #25
Hang in , I lost my job after 18 years last May and found a job Demonaut May 2012 #10
This forum got me through almost a year of un/under employment Sedona May 2012 #12
great links, thank you! Scout May 2012 #14
the company death panel at work leftyohiolib May 2012 #15
Aw geez... cyberswede May 2012 #16
thanks for the hug Scout May 2012 #18
Very sorry to hear that. Kath1 May 2012 #17
That sucks tawadi May 2012 #20
I'm so sorry, Scout. yardwork May 2012 #21
This might help with the dryer.... Historic NY May 2012 #23
very cool, thanks a lot! Scout May 2012 #28
Go for it. Dryers are hard to take apart, but easy to fix. FSogol May 2012 #32
Who knew but a putty knife that other uses.... Historic NY May 2012 #48
I'm sorry. I hope things go your way. Edweird May 2012 #24
You should consider at least speaking to an employment attorney. morningfog May 2012 #26
we are having an attorney review the proposal Scout May 2012 #29
thank you ALL for the best wishes and suggestions. Scout May 2012 #30
I wish you and your husband good luck Scout lunatica May 2012 #31
You might want to mention the area and industry jeff47 May 2012 #33
book manufacturing, in Washtenaw County, Michigan Scout May 2012 #36
I think the Ford Rawsonville parts plant in Ypsilanti Township may be hiring NNN0LHI May 2012 #41
Didn't you just read about all the jobs created in the last jobs report? just1voice May 2012 #37
Aw Scout, I'm sorry. redqueen May 2012 #39
. Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #40
Been there, got the t-shirt..... AnneD May 2012 #43
we are already in the debt management program with GreenPath, and they are reputable. Scout May 2012 #44
I'm sorry for your misfortune. RebelOne May 2012 #45
I'm so sorry scout. And to think Auntie Bush May 2012 #49
update Scout May 2012 #50

samnsara

(17,616 posts)
2. i am so sorry
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:34 PM
May 2012

a year ago last august my huband went to work ( 21 years same place) where he was the director of the hospital pharmacy.. he was escorted out by security. they gave hom some lame excuse about program changes but he was devastated.. he had a spotless employment record and was beloved by the entire community... 55 and no job. he immediantely hired an employment lawyer that said even though he was screwed royal they are entitled to let him go. My advice.. get an employment lawyer even just a consult. cost us 700$ for the meeting but they told him to go for more severence.. which he did and he got. still hurt his ego terribly. Got a job 6 hours away where we saw each other on weekends for 8 months.. now working 90 miles away but commutes home every night. It will get better but there will be some times where you want to just give up. hang in there.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
3. thank you
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:38 PM
May 2012

glad to hear you are still making it after your loss. my husband will be 55 this month. he's keeping his feelings to himself, and i'm the one freaking out.

we are going to talk to a lawyer. i do want to ask for more severance. we have to have enough to get us through the time he recovers from his surgery ... i don't know if they will let him collect unemployment if he is laying in bed recovering and not pounding the pavement looking for that new opportunity to succeed!!

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
11. No words can ease the frustration, but do know that many of us feel your pain.
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:49 PM
May 2012

You struggle to stay afloat, it's hard on your health, it puts a strain on relationships, you feel like you live on mean street...be kind to each other.

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
22. Actually, he can't collect unemployment
Fri May 11, 2012, 01:04 AM
May 2012

You have to not only look for work, which can be done from computer at home, but also be physically able to be able to go to work if offered a job. If he lies and gets caught, he would be guilty of fraud.

Also, what about insurance coverage? Are they extending it? Getting COBRA? You might have problems if you try to switch him over to yours.

I would definitely hire an attorney because he told them of the pending surgery before the layoff.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
27. thanks
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:10 AM
May 2012

he's already been on my medical insurance all year, so we won't have to pay for COBRA.

i figured he wouldn't be able to collect unemployment until after he's recovered from the surgery, so we are definitely going to ask for more severance to carry us through the surgery and recovery, and then the unemployment. i think that's how it works, i don't know. i asked him if the severance was a lump sum or every two weeks like normal pay and he said it would be every two weeks.

we weren't/aren't planning to try to lie about the surgery and unemployment.

we can't really afford to hire an attorney for much more than a review of the proposal, and a counter proposal, if that.

thanks for the advice

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
34. Oh, I'm sorry if my post made it sound like you/your husband personally would lie
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:47 AM
May 2012

I really didn't think or mean that.

And, yes, you have to wait for any compensation package to expire before you can collect, even if you get a lump sum. For example, if you got a lump sum for 4 weeks used vacation time, UE office prorates it based on your wages and you can't start collecting until that four weeks is over, even though you got that last paycheck a month ago.

Yes, you should make sure he has enough to carry you through the surgery and generous recovery. He can file now, though, so they get the claim approved and lined up. If there is a gap between his severance and the surgery, he would be able to collect and then they would suspend his payments until he got medical clearance.

Even if you can't afford a lawyer to fight it, definitely make sure the company knows you have hired one to review and negotiate and be vague about how far you are willing to go. They may be more accommodating if they fear a lawsuit.

Unfortunately, I know all too much about this topic from personal experience. It's hard and scary as hell, but you'll make it through.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
35. more good advice, thank you. i appreciate it.
Fri May 11, 2012, 11:53 AM
May 2012

sorry you had to learn it through experience.

it's ok, no hard feelings. i didn't really think you were accusing us of anything, just wanted to clarify.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
5. I'm very sorry.
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:40 PM
May 2012

I just finished a 10 month nightmare of unemployment. It will take us awhile to recover, too.

Please accept our best wishes for something FAST!

PEACE!

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
38. my hubby was laid off after working for the company for over twenty-five years
Fri May 11, 2012, 12:50 PM
May 2012

he was in his fifties; and the other managers were laid off in their fifties. I guess these companies think that a fifty something year old is just going to go out and find another job. Sure, age wasn't a factor, right? Too young to collect SS and too old to be hired by a lot of corporations' standards.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
46. More than we realize, I think. It didn't happen to me, but I saw a woman get fired from a long-term
Fri May 11, 2012, 03:20 PM
May 2012

social worker's job because she stood up for a black client who was being harrassed by the neo-nazi daughter of a board member of the "helping" organization she worked for. They gave other reasons, but that was the real one. And everyone on the board was prepared to defend the "other" reasons.


My best wishes to you & your husband. I hope things turn around for you quickly.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
47. I'm going to be 57 next month.
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:06 PM
May 2012

The age discrimination out there is cynical, obvious and BRAZEN!

Please accept my best wishes. Many people give the "I know what you're going through" line of BS, but I really do. My fervent hope is that he finds something FAST!

PEACE!

SteveG

(3,109 posts)
6. I understand
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:41 PM
May 2012

I have been postponing hernia surgery for several years, and have to for 4 more. It's not critical now, but could become so at any time. I won't give them a reason to let me go at age 62.

 

unkachuck

(6,295 posts)
8. "just feeling very angry and frustrated right now."
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:43 PM
May 2012

....as well you should....what has happened to our country?....I hardly recognize it anymore....what can I say?....good luck Scout, better days are coming....

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. I'm sorry, it's hard. And also, I fear your husband was right about the health news. I'm sure that's
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:45 PM
May 2012

What got him pushed out the door now.
Since he needs that operation, will he be able to get it done, or be able to work at another place without the surgery?

Scout

(8,624 posts)
13. we are going to get the surgery.
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:52 PM
May 2012

he's walking with a cane and a limp now, and his bad leg is about an inch shorter because the hip socket has deteriorated. it's scheduled for July, but we are going to call and get on the cancellation list and see if we can get it done sooner.

he could go on without it, but it would be difficult. plus, to find a new job then have to go out for the surgery would not be good.

we are fortunate that i have good insurance for both of us, so we have been trying to get as much taken care of as we can, before my union contract expires and our members get hosed on medical insurance costs. that's in two more years, so if we can possibly afford things before then we were trying to get them done.

thanks for your reply!!

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
25. I agree. My friend had a medical emergency...
Fri May 11, 2012, 07:01 AM
May 2012

and was hospitalized. While she was in the hospital, they realized she would need surgery but had to get well enough from the first issue before they could schedule it. She had been with the company a long time and mapped out a leave of absence so she could get the surgery and then return to work. There were a few complications and she had to be out a hair longer than expected. During that time, they found a way to eliminate her job.

It sucks but it's reality. I hope your husband finds work again very soon. Best wishes to you both!

Demonaut

(8,914 posts)
10. Hang in , I lost my job after 18 years last May and found a job
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:47 PM
May 2012

recently, you may be able to fix the dryer yourself or buy a used one from a recycle shop that deals in appliances

Good luck and karma your way!

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
12. This forum got me through almost a year of un/under employment
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:50 PM
May 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1128

saved me TONS of money, that and with help from the gardening forum I grew much of our food that summer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1159

hang in there......

I spent many hours volunteering on the Obama campaign in 2008. That saved my sanity.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
14. great links, thank you!
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:56 PM
May 2012

we've been doing some container gardening the last couple years, and i learned how to do home canning (strawberry jam to start, yum!)

i wish we could raise our own meat! when we can afford it, hubby's cousin has a farm where we can get pork, chicken, rabbit, lamb, turkey that's raised and slaughtered humanely, locally.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
16. Aw geez...
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:05 PM
May 2012

so sorry to hear this! I wish I had some words of wisdom or comfort.

Rest assured you'll be in my thoughts.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
17. Very sorry to hear that.
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:13 PM
May 2012

My experience with Corporate America is that management smiles in your face and tells you how valuable you are to them while building a file on you so they can get rid of you as soon as you are any kind of inconvenience to them, with no regard of the impact it will have on your family. Their only concern is who will do your shit after you're gone. You have every right to feel frustrated and angry because it just sucks.

I'm wishing you the best.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
21. I'm so sorry, Scout.
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:37 PM
May 2012

It's terrible what is happening to this country. All these companies downsizing, sending their work overseas, putting so many people out of work. It's wrong.

I'm very sorry.

FSogol

(45,473 posts)
32. Go for it. Dryers are hard to take apart, but easy to fix.
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:27 AM
May 2012

The good old internet has lots of videos on how to fix them. We keep our appliances forever. Tribles is a good company for buying most appliance parts: http://www.etribles.com/

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
48. Who knew but a putty knife that other uses....
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:38 PM
May 2012

it took a bit longer to come apart but about 15-20 minutes I had it fixed and runnig again.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
29. we are having an attorney review the proposal
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:14 AM
May 2012

he's not an employment specialist though. pending what he says, we will definitely consider it.

part of me really wants to fight them, and a smaller part wants to just get it over and done and try to recover. of course my feelings aren't paramount, it will come down to what my husband wants to do (after we discuss it).

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. You might want to mention the area and industry
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:28 AM
May 2012

You never know, someone on the board might know of a job opening.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
36. book manufacturing, in Washtenaw County, Michigan
Fri May 11, 2012, 11:54 AM
May 2012

not sure if he wants to stay in the industry, if he has any other choice.

thanks jeff

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
41. I think the Ford Rawsonville parts plant in Ypsilanti Township may be hiring
Fri May 11, 2012, 01:02 PM
May 2012

I read where they had canceled either some or all of their scheduled summer vacation shutdown to keep up with production. They will be forced to do some hiring to cover for vacations.

Not sure how far you are from there? But if it isn't too far I would give it a shot.

Good luck and sorry to hear about your circumstances.

Don

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
37. Didn't you just read about all the jobs created in the last jobs report?
Fri May 11, 2012, 12:36 PM
May 2012

It's supposedly better than it has been in years according to all the people who hype the faked govt job numbers every time is suits their blind political recitals.

All he can do is keep looking for a group of people he fits in with. It could take a long time or he could find that place immediately, sadly none of us know.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
43. Been there, got the t-shirt.....
Fri May 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
May 2012

Take a long hard look at your budget. I would not go to one of those debt places-they are generally rip off. Instead, go to the library and borrow a copy of Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover. Read it cover to cover before you start making decisions. I went that route, made my own calls to the creditors and saved a bundle. Make all cuts based on priorities:shelter (includes:lights, gas, rent, and phone), food and clothing. I know he will try to get a job. Maybe you can think of a part time job to do too.

Take a meat cleaver to the budget. Pay minimum on any credit cards. You are going to need to conserve your cash. Sell the other non working car as is now. Remember, you need to accumulate the cash now-not shell out for repairs. On the drier-I can't say. If I lived in a temperate climate, I would line dry anyway because it is cheaper and sell the drier as is. I would tend to want to fix the drier or go onto Craigs list and look for a cheaper one if it costs too much to repair.

I don't know your total situation but I know you are angry, scared, and feel pretty helpless and hopeless right about know. Don't stop loving on each other-in fact hold each other tighter. I wish the best for you and your hubby. The good news is that your have been down this rode before so you have an inkling. Count you blessing and your friends and family

My deepest sympathy and prayer for you.



Scout

(8,624 posts)
44. we are already in the debt management program with GreenPath, and they are reputable.
Fri May 11, 2012, 02:56 PM
May 2012

we entered a 4 year program with them, and have only 18 months left. we don't have any credit card debt at all, except what we are still paying off to/through GP. we have one "signature loan" that will be paid off in 3 months. the rest of the debt is to family.

not sure about the car ... we need to have two working vehicles if at all possible so he can look for work with one while i drive the other. both vehicles are paid for, so no payments there to worry about. we may end up selling after fixing ... we haven't even had it "diagnosed" yet.

thank you for the advice and the sympathy.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
45. I'm sorry for your misfortune.
Fri May 11, 2012, 03:08 PM
May 2012

I worked at a publishing company for 13 years and they eliminated my position. I was laid off in 2010. I received a generous severance package for 6 months, and after that I collected unemployment. But no one was going to hire me at my age. I was 70 at the time I was laid off. Fortunately, I was already collecting social security, but I wanted to work a bit longer to get more money into my 401K. But that paycheck really came in handy, because now I am having to depend entirely on social security. I have no bills, not even credit cards. My car and house are free and clear, so I only have the usual expenses, such as utilities, phone, Internet and home and car insurance.

Be thankful that at least you are working, and I hope your husband finds another position soon.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
50. update
Tue May 22, 2012, 01:15 PM
May 2012

we are going to get an additional 4 weeks severance pay! consulted with an attorney, and we don't feel we'd be better off by taking legal action for wrongful discharge....

at least the additional 4 weeks severance will help, and then after the surgery he can still apply for unemployment.

looking at options now ... get more schooling? if so in what? start a business? look for another "9-5" job (union this time!).

thank you all for your concerns that you posted and shared via PM

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