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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu May 28, 2015, 09:49 AM May 2015

Why did Bill and Hillary choose to live in the lily white enclave of Chappaqua?



We can play this stupid game until election day, but suggesting that either Clinton or Sanders don't care about addressing issues that are important to African Americans and other minorities is absurd.

This is an area where I believe both candidates are actually good. That Bernie comes from Vermont or that Hillary chose to settle in Chappaqua has no bearing on that.

And to be clear: The op title is mocking the bullshit. It doesn't reflect on HRC's positions on these issues anymore than being from Vermont reflects on Bernie's.

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Why did Bill and Hillary choose to live in the lily white enclave of Chappaqua? (Original Post) cali May 2015 OP
Why is this an OP if it matters not, to you? misterhighwasted May 2015 #1
the point is that this is being carried to ridiculous extremes cali May 2015 #4
Both care about a lot of the same issues. misterhighwasted May 2015 #40
Because BeyondGeography May 2015 #5
Yup. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #18
If you have to ask that question you haven't been paying attention tularetom May 2015 #8
Stupidity matters, and ought to be ridiculed mercilessly. Orsino May 2015 #26
Chappaqua Population by Race and Ethnicity Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #2
WRONG. Here cali May 2015 #12
I suppose they could live in Harlem. TexasProgresive May 2015 #3
I think maybe you only read the title of the OP, not the post? You are in violent agreement with it. peacebird May 2015 #7
I read it all- I just wanted to respond to the absurd title in the OP TexasProgresive May 2015 #11
Ah, got it! No prob, cheers! peacebird May 2015 #14
Exactly. Thanks for making the POINT. misterhighwasted May 2015 #10
Isn't that where Bill Clinton had his offices located after he left the White House? calimary May 2015 #19
Yup TexasProgresive May 2015 #27
Guess where Bill's office is? KamaAina May 2015 #32
See post 27 TexasProgresive May 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Fla Dem May 2015 #44
"We can play this stupid game until election day..." We know someone who definitely will be playing. Buzz Clik May 2015 #6
How many? Good question. Appears someone doesn't want to misterhighwasted May 2015 #15
Did you spell Bernie's name wrong purposely? ChisolmTrailDem May 2015 #29
No. Typos happen on one's phone. misterhighwasted May 2015 #41
It's not a game. NCTraveler May 2015 #9
Bernie's "optics" were not poor -- unless you are looking for a reason to think so karynnj May 2015 #35
"unless you are looking for a reason to think so" NCTraveler May 2015 #36
Actually you did karynnj May 2015 #42
"Actually you did" NCTraveler May 2015 #43
Yes kenfrequed May 2015 #56
Out of all the places he could have chosen to have his post presidential office Bill Clinton chose: DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #13
You do realize how disgusting this is, right? Harlem has all but chased Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2015 #21
You are entitled to your opinion. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #22
Of course I'm entitled to my opinion. I don't need to be told or reminded of that. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2015 #49
I am sad you feel that way about me. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #52
Out of all the places he could have chosen... meaculpa2011 May 2015 #37
New York city has a lot of office space DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #38
The symbolism is that... meaculpa2011 May 2015 #45
So where you live and work defines who you are? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #46
Enough said. n/t meaculpa2011 May 2015 #47
Juvenile nonsense. Kingofalldems May 2015 #16
Because they were stone cold broke when they left office. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #17
If your job ended how would your finances look, perhaps stone cold broke? Thinkingabout May 2015 #55
Please! After their behavior in 2007-2008, it would not surprise me if they are Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2015 #20
! bravenak May 2015 #53
Reason: Lily white probably not, very rich area, yep. LiberalArkie May 2015 #23
...... daleanime May 2015 #24
I don't know! davidthegnome May 2015 #25
*I'm* saying they are racist! Their behavior in 2007-8 proves it! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2015 #50
Yawn .... obnoxiousdrunk May 2015 #28
Well, Would You Lookie There! Gamecock Lefty May 2015 #30
Methinks the lady doth protest too much (nt) Nye Bevan May 2015 #31
you seem concerned stonecutter357 May 2015 #33
Seems many completely missed your point, cali. Zorra May 2015 #39
this is just fuckin pathetic. nt seabeyond May 2015 #48
Honestly, the OP title sounds a lot like what you might normally post. JoePhilly May 2015 #51
I was going to say the same thing. Metric System May 2015 #57
The same can be asked of you? Renew Deal May 2015 #54
.... Number23 May 2015 #58
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. the point is that this is being carried to ridiculous extremes
Thu May 28, 2015, 10:00 AM
May 2015

here, and that I believe that both of these candidates actually care about addressing these issues.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
40. Both care about a lot of the same issues.
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:36 PM
May 2015

But you'd never know that by the attack dogs.
Just saying.
Ask the Hillary Group how thick a skin is necessary to get thru this election.
Can't just make the crap slinging "please go away", if it gets too ugly for ya.
What goes around, or something like that.
Glad some here can actually agree that these two outstanding Dem candidates are worth fighting for.

Have a nice afternoon

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
26. Stupidity matters, and ought to be ridiculed mercilessly.
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:11 PM
May 2015

Despite the forces seeking to trivialize the issues for the general and primaries, we ought to aim higher on DU.

The nation has one or two problems deserving of our attention. Well-placed satire just might help to squelch silly-ass distractions.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
2. Chappaqua Population by Race and Ethnicity
Thu May 28, 2015, 09:59 AM
May 2015
http://www.clrsearch.com/Chappaqua-Demographics/NY/Population-by-Race-and-Ethnicity

2012 Population by Race and Ethnicity
Chappaqua, NY New York United States
Population by Race
White Population 81.34% 64.67% 71.71%
Black or African American Population 2.14% 16.06% 12.86%
American Indian and
Alaska Native Population 0.00% 0.57% 0.96%
Asian Population 11.85% 7.92% 5.30%
Multi-racial Population 3.78% 3.31% 3.13%
Other Population 0.89% 7.47% 6.05%
Population by Ethnicity
Population Hispanic 7.25% 18.73% 16.91%
Population Non Hispanic 92.75% 81.27% 83.09%
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. WRONG. Here
Thu May 28, 2015, 10:10 AM
May 2015

And I know this burg rather well. It's my (former) neck of the woods.


Chappaqua is actually divided into two townships. the one where the Clintons reside is virtually all white. Been there many, many times.

from Wiki:

Population (2010) 1,436

And more about the larger area:

The racial makeup of the CDP was 91.80% White,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaqua,_New_York

From the 2010 census there are 28 African Americans and 1,173 caucasians

http://censusviewer.com/city/NY/Chappaqua

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
3. I suppose they could live in Harlem.
Thu May 28, 2015, 10:00 AM
May 2015

And then some would say that was politically motivated. "Can't win for losing." or something like that.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
11. I read it all- I just wanted to respond to the absurd title in the OP
Thu May 28, 2015, 10:08 AM
May 2015

I thought it was funny, but I am warped that way.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
19. Isn't that where Bill Clinton had his offices located after he left the White House?
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:38 AM
May 2015

As far as I know, they're still located there.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
27. Yup
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:11 PM
May 2015
Office Of President Clinton
Located in uptown Manhattan, the Harlem office is the personal office of President Bill Clinton, and typically has 5-8 interns each semester.
55 West 125th Street
New York, NY 10027
Subways: 2/3, A/C, B/D, 4/5/6, Metro North
Clinton Foundation & Clinton Global Initiative (CGI)

The Clinton Foundation and CGI office is located in midtown Manhattan just blocks away from Rockefeller Center and Central Park. Together, the Clinton Foundation and CGI house a large staff and more than 60 interns each semester.
1271 6th Avenue
New York, NY 10020
Subways: 1, B/D/F/M, C/E, N/Q/R

Clinton Presidential Center
Located along the Arkansas River in Little Rock, the Clinton Presidential Center consists of:

• The Museum, which highlights the achievements of President Clinton’s two terms in office

• The Library and Archives, which houses all of President Clinton’s official papers and other historical material related to the Clinton administration
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/internships/where-we-are

Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #3)

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
6. "We can play this stupid game until election day..." We know someone who definitely will be playing.
Thu May 28, 2015, 10:01 AM
May 2015

How many posts today from you about Bernie not being a racist?

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
15. How many? Good question. Appears someone doesn't want to
Thu May 28, 2015, 10:11 AM
May 2015

..compare the number of African American appointees between Hillary & Burnie.
Why is that?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. It's not a game.
Thu May 28, 2015, 10:06 AM
May 2015

These are real lives. Lives that are being taken by gang violence, police brutality, and poverty. Not one bit of it is a game and people have every right to criticize/comment on the issue with respect to individual candidates. I believe Sanders and Hillary to also be good on this issue. That doesn't mean they aren't to be questioned, even in a manner in which you disapprove. Sanders has no safe haven place in this election. If his optics were poor, now is the time to address them.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
35. Bernie's "optics" were not poor -- unless you are looking for a reason to think so
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:31 PM
May 2015

An alternative version is that he - like Dean - announced in his home town. Not to mention one REAL piece of his resume was his job as mayor of Burlington. In fact, the very park he held it at was one he fought to create. Had he lost the race to become mayor, it is very possible that that park would not have existed. Instead expensive high rise condominiums would have been built there -- rather than several blocks up the hill. So, instead of two expansive parks that both have lovely views of the lake, Burlington would have one, perfectly nice green park, surrounded on both sides by high rises.

This may not seem like much, but it makes a difference. More important he helped create an open government and things like affordable housing.

Bad optics would be if what was shown was in poor taste or maybe suggested privilege or a sense of entitlement. This was Bernie returning the city that he has made home for 40 plus years - and a city he was mayor of. Not to mention, the place was a spectacular PUBLIC PARK that anyone could enjoy. Further there were no tickets to the event, anyone could walk in and be a part of it. The event did tell who Bernie was -- and only a very jaundiced eye would see this as signalling lack of concern for minorities.

One thing that might be good before simply assuming that Clinton is far preferred by African Americans is to let the process go further. Obviously if Clinton gets the lion's share of African Americans in the primary, that goes a long way to winning - especially as she is leading on ANY segment that has been polled. I really don't get why some here feel a need to attack Sanders on where he had his kick off event. I also resent that Burlington, a city that IS a refugee resettlement center is being slammed. The Burlington school district has people with 40 plus different first languages. IIt is not unusual to see Somalis in long colorful dresses and veils, Nepali immigrants or people from many many countries.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
36. "unless you are looking for a reason to think so"
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:37 PM
May 2015

He is asking us to look. Please get that. He is asking us. Sanders is running for President, not hometown hero. He already has that one locked up. I have not slammed Sanders. I have not slammed Burlington. In any way at all.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
42. Actually you did
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:21 PM
May 2015

Not to mention, this brings back all the comments - vintage 2003 - 2006, that anyone from the Northeast can't win the Presidency.

You absolutely missed my point - that Bernie was able to transform a city in many good ways as mayor. That alone would not be a complete case for President, but everyone runs on their accomplishments. Obviously, Bernie over the course of the campaign will argue both his vision and his House and Senate accomplishments - as well as his accomplishments in Burlington.

I am old enough to remember that both Carter and Clinton ran on what they did as governors. I doubt you asked then why he announced in Little Rock, the capitol of a state that was in the bottom 10 on nearly every metric that measures quality of life - including education and health. Yet, it would have been odd for him to announce anywhere else.

Tell me, in what type of place would you have argued that Sanders really chose an exceptional, meaningful spot? Or should he have just taken to twitter (2016) or put out an internet video (as Clinton did in 2008)? I was neither impressed or troubled by either of those HRC means of announcing. Looking back, I guess I can say that she found ways both times to 100% control the message and did not have any real people contact - unless you argue that she spoke to everybody directly via technology.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
43. "Actually you did"
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:28 PM
May 2015

No, I did not.

"Tell me, in what type of place would you have argued that Sanders really chose an exceptional, meaningful spot? "

I have absolutely no problem with the spot he chose.

"Or should he have just taken to twitter (2016) or put out an internet video (as Clinton did in 2008)? "

What does Clinton have to do with this? Once again, I have no problem with his location. I am beginning to think you are replying to the wrong person.

"You absolutely missed my point"

I ignored your point. Big difference. Your point started with an extremely flawed premise. I stopped there. You started of with a flawed premise again with this post.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
56. Yes
Thu May 28, 2015, 05:24 PM
May 2015

Because "optics" are a real thing in this case. Bernie Sanders has been active both as a human being and a legislator on civil rights his entire career. He has fought hard for equality for all and recognizes the essential nature of civil and economic opportunity being closely linked and has attempted to assure that for all.

When you speak for the poor, for education, for labor, for equality of opportunity you are speaking for poverty both black and white. Remember that MLK was killed when he went down to support a sanitation strike for workers that were both black and white.


I would put Bernies civil rights record in reality against your "optics" any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

If you really cared about "Optics" you would be trumpeting his record too.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
21. You do realize how disgusting this is, right? Harlem has all but chased
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:55 AM
May 2015

lower-income minorities away. It has done nothing but lead to gentrification.

I can't stand this man!

Remember the Bushes adopted him as their "son".

That's all I need to know about the Clintons.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
22. You are entitled to your opinion.
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:01 PM
May 2015

It seems most African Americans hold the Clintons in fairly high regard. We will get to test that proposition soon.


I do agree with you about gentrification though...Everybody wants to live in a nice neighborhood, there has to be a better way to achieve that than by making it so expensive that the folks who currently live there have to move out.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
49. Of course I'm entitled to my opinion. I don't need to be told or reminded of that.
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:34 PM
May 2015

And yes, many black Americans have been duped by the Clintons--wrongly believing that the Clintons care about issues affecting us and forgetting about actual POLICIES that were implemented by Bill Clinton.

So yes, you are right.

However...

There are many black Americans who are learning more about the Clintons. And many who will not forgive them for their behavior during the Democratic primaries back in 2007-8.

I'm sure that you don't give a shit about how they treated black Americans and that's to be expected. There are many Democrats who don't care; they just want to win and Democrats have always taken the black vote for granted.

But don't be so smug this time around.

Many black voters I've spoken to are not too happy about Hillary Clinton, even if they end up voting for her. It's not because they necessarily like her; it is because the alternative is unthinkable.

Some black voters have told me that while they will not stay home, when they receive the ballot, they will simply skip over her name if she's the nominee and vote the down-ticket.

Others are determined to stay home.

The Clintons are despicable.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
52. I am sad you feel that way about me.
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:49 PM
May 2015

That's not how I am, not how I was raised, and not how others closest to me feel about me.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
37. Out of all the places he could have chosen...
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:44 PM
May 2015

he chose Midtown East at an annual rent of $800,000.

When the terms of the Eastside lease became public the uproar caused him to rethink his office plans.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
38. New York city has a lot of office space
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:54 PM
May 2015

Even if it was his choice his choice had symbolic value.

He can't win for losing or is it he can't lose for winning.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
45. The symbolism is that...
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:53 PM
May 2015

he chose high-rent districts to live and work. The reality is that he was then was forced to retreat.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
46. So where you live and work defines who you are?
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:59 PM
May 2015

I guess I am more pure and better than 98% of the posters here because I live in a rent controlled 500 square foot studio apartment in a forty year old building.

Before that my gf and I were borders.... We were almost 100% pure then.


Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
55. If your job ended how would your finances look, perhaps stone cold broke?
Thu May 28, 2015, 05:00 PM
May 2015

If not then think yourself lucky and thank Clinton for your prosperity.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
20. Please! After their behavior in 2007-2008, it would not surprise me if they are
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:53 AM
May 2015

racist elitists!

I will never forgive them for their scorched earth politics and race-baiting.

The more her cheerleaders dismiss her behavior; the more firm I become in my position. I WILL NOT be supporting Hillary Clinton.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
23. Reason: Lily white probably not, very rich area, yep.
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:04 PM
May 2015

I have noticed it in the work environment. A lowly technician gets a couple of good advancements, and they move for mixed neighborhoods with a lot of mixed people. Black/White/Latino/Poor/Lower middle and some a little bit more income advantaged and move to where they are surrounded by more affluent people. Naturally usually white, but it doesn't matter as long as they are not "those people" that they used to live around."Those people" do not mean color, just social strata.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
25. I don't know!
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:09 PM
May 2015

Are you saying that they are racist? I don't think they are racist, but they should definitely have lived somewhere with more black people if they aren't racist. (insert picture of the KKK holding a rally)

Not good enough Hillary! Move to Harlem!

(Oh yeah, that was sarcasm. Sorry.)

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
30. Well, Would You Lookie There!
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:16 PM
May 2015

She’s a racist. He’s a racist. She’s too close to Wall Street. I hate him. I hate her.

Sadly, we’ve become Republicans. What a sad day.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
39. Seems many completely missed your point, cali.
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:58 PM
May 2015

*sigh*

The most effective avenue that Reagan took in the conservative effort to deliberately dumb down America was to make it as difficult as possible for teachers to teach students how to read and comprehend what they read.



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